GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Aug 17, 2017 11:02:54 GMT -5
Fair enough.
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 17, 2017 11:40:30 GMT -5
I think people are misconstruing the complaints about the schedule. It's not about the lateness of the release, it's about the fact that we gave up guaranteed games against decent teams in a tournament and by not releasing the schedule or announcing any OOC games by this point, it is almost certainly guaranteed we will be scraping the bottom of the barrel for opponents. This is evidenced by the fact that it just came out we are playing Alabama A&M on Dec. 23. Al A&M literally had the worst RPI in CBB last year. All this being said, I still have no problem playing a weaker schedule. I just think we should at least play SOME decent OOC teams. Cant people just admit this? No saying you, personally, but why do so many people have to coddle Ewing about every single choice. Would our whole program have deteriorated if we lost to Michigan St? We have an opportunity to beat Syracuse. A win there alone would make the OOC a success even if we do face teams 341-351 for our other matc-ups. For me at least. I do wish we had more competition but it's too little too late. I also think pulling out of PK80 was the right choice based on the time of year. If it was closer to December and not likely the 2nd game of the season, then I assume we would stay. A victory against Syracuse, while sweet, doesn't do it for me. Hoyas shouldn't be like Army football where a victory over Navy makes its entire season. Aim high! (Air Force!)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 11:44:14 GMT -5
Haha. 351 out of 351. At least the schedule can only improve from here.
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hoyalaw33
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Post by hoyalaw33 on Aug 17, 2017 11:55:44 GMT -5
When looking at other teams' OOC schedules it seems like more and more teams are getting their marquee games from tournaments with maybe, maybe 1 more big name opponent. Very few coaches take the JTIII approach and schedule 2-3 big time OOC games with a few more P5 + AAC opponents to keep the SOS really high OOC. I think the frustrating thing for us fans is that without the NIKE tournament we are very limited in scheduling P5 teams, never mind the big time OOC games that we've all grown to love over the last decade. If Ewing is only scheduling terrible MM's than we have an issue, regardless of the wins we can stack up. I (and most fans) are unexcited by Alabama A&M, but if you gave me some games vs. G Tech, Ole Miss, Texas Tech then at least I'm pretty excited to sit and watch our squad play ball for 2 hours against a nationally known university.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Aug 17, 2017 12:04:04 GMT -5
Better make sure no recruits come to that game against A&M. I hope that is in McD.
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Post by Cambridge on Aug 17, 2017 12:19:29 GMT -5
AAM seems like a pretty classic christmas week game.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 17, 2017 12:22:48 GMT -5
Credit to Bobby Bancroft, who correctly noted that this is the first SWAC opponent since Craig Esherick scheduled Grambling in 2003.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 12:41:53 GMT -5
Pretty nice schedule for them (Bama, Mich, Depaul, Minnesota, and Georgetown.) Last year the only HM they played was Missouri...
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Aug 17, 2017 13:11:15 GMT -5
Haha. 351 out of 351. At least the schedule can only improve from here. Maybe! As some have speculated, we could be playing a couple D2 and D3 programs.
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Post by capcenterhoya on Aug 17, 2017 14:05:20 GMT -5
Haha. 351 out of 351. At least the schedule can only improve from here. Maybe! As some have speculated, we could be playing a couple D2 and D3 programs. At least those are less toxic on our RPI. Looks like we will be an RPI killer loss for our conference mates
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 17, 2017 14:24:05 GMT -5
Haha. 351 out of 351. At least the schedule can only improve from here. Not if we play Division II or below teams...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 14:49:38 GMT -5
Haha. 351 out of 351. At least the schedule can only improve from here. Not if we play Division II or below teams... Ugh...killer.
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Post by centercourt400s on Aug 17, 2017 15:30:26 GMT -5
In the last 5 years I think I've missed 5 or 6 home games. For me, when confident that the team is competitive and will hold their own or beat high-level competition, then I'm happy to see tough teams come in for OOC. But if we are going to get our brains beat in by top teams, its not so much fun, when you are actually there.
This season is such an unknown, I'm going to be VERY happy to sit and watch OOC home games where sheer athleticism should be enough to win and where the team gets a chance to get their feet under them. Down the road, when the team is back in good form, then sure lets see some big name opponents in the Cap Center. For now, no thanks, lets get some wins and see where that takes us.
BTW, I go to see the Hoyas play, not their opponents.
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 17, 2017 18:38:50 GMT -5
In the last 5 years I think I've missed 5 or 6 home games. For me, when confident that the team is competitive and will hold their own or beat high-level competition, then I'm happy to see tough teams come in for OOC. But if we are going to get our brains beat in by top teams, its not so much fun, when you are actually there. This season is such an unknown, I'm going to be VERY happy to sit and watch OOC home games where sheer athleticism should be enough to win and where the team gets a chance to get their feet under them. Down the road, when the team is back in good form, then sure lets see some big name opponents in the Cap Center. For now, no thanks, lets get some wins and see where that takes us. BTW, I go to see the Hoyas play, not their opponents. GOOD FAN GO HOYAS i go to see the hoyas play TOO tough hard year but will be kinda interesting WORK HARD AND WIN.
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 17, 2017 18:39:27 GMT -5
meant YOURE a good fan not touting my own horn!!
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 17, 2017 19:15:40 GMT -5
Haha. 351 out of 351. At least the schedule can only improve from here. They'll be better this year. Maybe they'll move all the way up to 348.
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Post by FLHoya on Aug 17, 2017 20:07:53 GMT -5
BTW, I go to see the Hoyas play, not their opponents. Uhhhhh yeah, I go to see the Hoyas play too. And it's much more fun to look forward to when they're playing an interesting opponent. Even people playing the hero/martyr fan card should be able to acknowledge that there's a significant difference between a game against Syracuse and one against Alabama A&M. Or the Villanova game and a Saturday at the Kenner League. This is backed up by attendance figures since the beginning of time. There are two separate issues at play here. One is whether the scheduling approach Coach Ewing is the best way to develop the team and prepare them for success. I personally don't like it, but I understand the logic behind it. The other issue is whether it's a fan friendly approach. That one seems pretty unambiguous to me--it's not. They could surprise me and have some fun mid-majors sneak into the home schedule, but that'd go against what the program's public comments so far suggest. But to be fair, we were warned about that--Coach himself and let's-pretend-that-was-Lee-Reed-in-the-press-statement laid it out there that we're in full rebuild mode and would be scheduling accordingly. And there's always the question--does being fan-friendly matter when you're building a schedule? Fans would like to think so, but it's usually not unless it's the type of program who makes that sort of thing part of their ethos...and Georgetown ain't that kind of program. We all knew this season (and maybe more after) would require a lot of patience and putting up with stuff to get us back on track. The schedule so far is part of that stuff.
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Post by centercourt400s on Aug 17, 2017 21:22:17 GMT -5
BTW, I go to see the Hoyas play, not their opponents. Uhhhhh yeah, I go to see the Hoyas play too. And it's much more fun to look forward to when they're playing an interesting opponent. Even people playing the hero/martyr fan card should be able to acknowledge that there's a significant difference between a game against Syracuse and one against Alabama A&M. Or the Villanova game and a Saturday at the Kenner League. This is backed up by attendance figures since the beginning of time. There are two separate issues at play here. One is whether the scheduling approach Coach Ewing is the best way to develop the team and prepare them for success. I personally don't like it, but I understand the logic behind it. The other issue is whether it's a fan friendly approach. That one seems pretty unambiguous to me--it's not. They could surprise me and have some fun mid-majors sneak into the home schedule, but that'd go against what the program's public comments so far suggest. But to be fair, we were warned about that--Coach himself and let's-pretend-that-was-Lee-Reed-in-the-press-statement laid it out there that we're in full rebuild mode and would be scheduling accordingly. And there's always the question--does being fan-friendly matter when you're building a schedule? Fans would like to think so, but it's usually not unless it's the type of program who makes that sort of thing part of their ethos...and Georgetown ain't that kind of program. We all knew this season (and maybe more after) would require a lot of patience and putting up with stuff to get us back on track. The schedule so far is part of that stuff. Having "hero/martyr" fan aspirations is pretty far beyond the intent of what I wrote. The actual point was that outside of tournament attendees, those most affected by OOC scheduling are those attending the home games, and I'm an example of one of them who is perfectly ok with weaker teams in Nov and Dec, especially this season. Lots of voices on here make frequent points complaining when there isn't a top opponent on the home OOC schedule and I'm just letting it be known that not all season ticket holders feel that way. Not trying to make any claims of exalted status one way or another, just speaking as one of those who is particularly affected by the schedule. I doubt that this season's schedule is an indicator of what we will see in years to come, so the worrying about it now is a bit overblown. 100% agree that this season there will be a lot to put up with on the road back.
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Post by vv83 on Aug 17, 2017 21:58:37 GMT -5
Much more concerned about the schedule next season than this season. This season is not about building a good SOS to try to make the tournament, it is about rebuilding the foundation of the program. You can argue whether it is better to beat awful teams or lose to good teams as a rebuilding strategy. But the reality is it probably does not make much difference either way this year. But if we go with the JT jr./Esh scheduling approach next year and beyond - then the scheduling issue does become a serious concern.
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Post by calhoya on Aug 18, 2017 7:10:55 GMT -5
Much more concerned about the schedule next season than this season. This season is not about building a good SOS to try to make the tournament, it is about rebuilding the foundation of the program. You can argue whether it is better to beat awful teams or lose to good teams as a rebuilding strategy. But the reality is it probably does not make much difference either way this year. But if we go with the JT jr./Esh scheduling approach next year and beyond - then the scheduling issue does become a serious concern. As long as we don't lose to awful teams. I have low expectations this year as I don't know if this team can score outside the paint or play defense against the quicker teams. Don't know if Ewing can coach or if he has the right mix of assistants. Yet for all of the doubt and unknown elements out there I still have expectations that they should be competitive against decent teams. No matter how much chaos and disarray has ensued in the past several months, the team has players who can play the game. There are three 4* players on this team, what I expect to be a vastly improved Mosley and Kaleb and hopefully an offense more suited to the skills of players like Mulmore. Mourning will hopefully get his chance, Walker looks to be a promising diamond in the rough and the kid from NY brings a little swag to the court via South Dakota. Add Blair who showed flashes in Kenner. My point is that it's okay to play easier teams in the run up to conference as the team adjusts, but I expect and hope when the schedule comes out in September that there will be some challenges well above the level of Alabama A&M. Otherwise the message to fans--and more importantly to the players--is not at all good.
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