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Post by jwp91 on Apr 29, 2018 19:10:03 GMT -5
I guess that my point is that sites like Ballislife are showing us in real time that the world has changed. There is no disputing that our brand has fallen over the last 30 years when the Hoyas were the #1 brand in college basketball. There is an opportunity to leverage the momentum that Mac has captured and to re-direct that momentum to incorporate the entire squad. I would love to see Dr. Gross get creative beyond promotions and do some brand development. Let’s be the first to succeed doing this.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 30, 2018 10:08:19 GMT -5
I guess that my point is that sites like Ballislife are showing us in real time that the world has changed. There is no disputing that our brand has fallen over the last 30 years when the Hoyas were the #1 brand in college basketball. There is an opportunity to leverage the momentum that Mac has captured and to re-direct that momentum to incorporate the entire squad. I would love to see Dr. Gross get creative beyond promotions and do some brand development. Let’s be the first to succeed doing this. Just because Mac has proven he can handle doesn't mean there isn't value in letting the other freshmen get their feet settled before being thrown to the press. I actually think it is in the player's best interest to allow them to sit down and think about how they want to handle themselves.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 30, 2018 10:19:10 GMT -5
I guess that my point is that sites like Ballislife are showing us in real time that the world has changed. There is no disputing that our brand has fallen over the last 30 years when the Hoyas were the #1 brand in college basketball. There is an opportunity to leverage the momentum that Mac has captured and to re-direct that momentum to incorporate the entire squad. I would love to see Dr. Gross get creative beyond promotions and do some brand development. Let’s be the first to succeed doing this. Just because Mac has proven he can handle doesn't mean there isn't value in letting the other freshmen get their feet settled before being thrown to the press. I actually think it is in the player's best interest to allow them to sit down and think about how they want to handle themselves. Great...make in a case by case basis. Reminds me of how playing time works.
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Page 33. Nice.
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Post by LCPolo18 on May 18, 2018 7:59:58 GMT -5
I usually don't post about CH articles, but these film series articles are too good not to share.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on May 19, 2018 16:24:46 GMT -5
Congratulations Tre! Stay strong; stay confident.
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Post by DudeSlade on May 23, 2018 17:56:43 GMT -5
Had a few thoughts about team/roster construction and future style of play. Would love the input, thinking, knowledge of folks on the board who are closer to the program and/or know basketball much more than I do.
Looking at our general recruiting pattern, the current roster, the style of play from last year, and the direction basketball (especially the NBA) are going, it seems to me that Ewing is constructing our teams to look far more like today's Warriors or Celtics (Lakers, Rockets, Bucks, and probably a few more) and much less like traditional rosters with dominant Hoya big men. On the board, we are lamenting the potential loss of Govan, not getting Osunyi & other 5s, and there's been a lot of talk/consternation over how many forwards/wings we are bringing in & recruiting. I wonder if this isn't on purpose by Ewing.
The Warriors essentially play 4 forwards/wings that are 6'7" or taller in crunch time in Durant, Green, Thompson, Iguodala along with super ballhandler/long distance bomber/instant offense Curry. All the guys can handle, rebound, cut, pass, shoot, and defend and they switch everything and whoever has the best shot, takes it. They can adapt with a more traditional/taller/stronger big when they face that sort of team (McGee, Pachulia), and go with a bigger guard in place of Curry (Livingston) when needed, but much of their bench is similar types of players (though obviously not as good as the Hampton's 5). The Celtics have a similar make-up with really only Rozier/Irving (when healthy) as a ballhandler/shooter/instant offense and the rest of their prime time/clutch line-up 6'5" and up, super athletic, jack-of-all-trade wing/forwards. While Horford has always been a center, looking back he was one of the first of the new types of centers (he would have definitely been a PF in the '80s/'90s and can shoot and switch on smaller players defensively).
Anyway, I look at our lineup, recruitment, style of play, and see much of the same. Ewing inherited Govan and so obviously tried to maximize what he got out of one of our 2 best talents, but also pushed him to run a lot and shoot from 3. When Govan was out, instead of bringing in another 5, we moved Derrickson over to the 5. He'd play Johnson and Pickett at the 2, 3, or 4. He'd have lots of guys bring the ball up. He stressed super up-tempo and lots of outside shooting. And on defense we showed a lot of promise at times as we pressed, switched, and used long arms to get in the way.
Recruiting, we did go for Sodom, but that fits the McGee/Pachulia type. On the other hand, we've gone for very long, athletic, jack-of-all-trade type wings/forward in Pickett, Walker, Blair, and now Carter, LeBlanc, and the dynamic ballhandler/shooter/instant offense types in Mac/Akinjo. For 2019 and beyond, we have a lot more wings/forwards we are recruiting than centers, which everyone expected us to go after with Ewing in charge. The exception seems to be when Ewing goes after a 5-star type talent at the 5, which I could see being either because it's still a huge mismatch at this level, or because you do still need that guy when you face traditional 5s, or because Ewing sees a modern 5 in the making there (Anthony Davis/Al Horford being the prototypes). Maybe I'm underestimating the recruiting he's doing of 5s, but it seems we have stressed that far less than we expected when Ewing signed and have gotten and gone after a lot more of the switchable wing/forward types. Villanova is the closest in college I can see who purposefully builds their program to this new NBA style instead of by necessity.
It seems to me when Ewing said he'd bring an NBA style to Georgetown, he had a much clearer idea of what that would like like than he let on (which would be smart as he started recruiting). I know this isn't a stunning analysis, but when I thought of it this way, it made me far less concerned about our recruiting of big men and far more intrigued by the Hoya Paranoia style that could be coming. Interested in insights/thoughts of others.
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Post by MCIGuy on May 23, 2018 18:12:06 GMT -5
pay site, but the title is nice Some good stuff in there. I won't give most of it away. There are actual new quotes from Ewing and Robert Kirby. We get some details about how Ewing has adjusted to the modern recruiting landscape and all the effort he is putting into recruiting. He has an unapologetic approach that if a player wants to get better and wants to get to the league then he, with his 31 years involved with the NBA, can help them and teach them what they need to make it to that level. As for style of play Ewing says he wants his team to play like they do in the NBA, like he played. He wants to push the pace, he likes the pick and rolls, he wants posts-ups, he likes the catch-and-shoot. The article points out that under III the fastest season the Hoyas had based upon adjusted tempo rank was #147. Last season, despite the new offense and questionable guard play, the Hoyas ended up being ranked #65. There's some discussions regarding former players, current players and the recruits. Of the newbies Kirby said they were brought in not only because of their abilities but because of their "personalities." They have attitudes that match Ewing's when he was playing and that's they type of guys he wants. One of the more interesting revelations was that Ewing's chastising of Derrickson during the @depaul game that went viral turned out to be a big hit with the parents of the recruits they were going after. Its a good website. If people have the dough they should give it a try.
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Post by MCIGuy on May 23, 2018 18:29:36 GMT -5
Had a few thoughts about team/roster construction and future style of play. Would love the input, thinking, knowledge of folks on the board who are closer to the program and/or know basketball much more than I do. Looking at our general recruiting pattern, the current roster, the style of play from last year, and the direction basketball (especially the NBA) are going, it seems to me that Ewing is constructing our teams to look far more like today's Warriors or Celtics (Lakers, Rockets, Bucks, and probably a few more) and much less like traditional rosters with dominant Hoya big men. On the board, we are lamenting the potential loss of Govan, not getting Osunyi & other 5s, and there's been a lot of talk/consternation over how many forwards/wings we are bringing in & recruiting. I wonder if this isn't on purpose by Ewing. The Warriors essentially play 4 forwards/wings that are 6'7" or taller in crunch time in Durant, Green, Thompson, Iguodala along with super ballhandler/long distance bomber/instant offense Curry. All the guys can handle, rebound, cut, pass, shoot, and defend and they switch everything and whoever has the best shot, takes it. They can adapt with a more traditional/taller/stronger big when they face that sort of team (McGee, Pachulia), and go with a bigger guard in place of Curry (Livingston) when needed, but much of their bench is similar types of players (though obviously not as good as the Hampton's 5). The Celtics have a similar make-up with really only Rozier/Irving (when healthy) as a ballhandler/shooter/instant offense and the rest of their prime time/clutch line-up 6'5" and up, super athletic, jack-of-all-trade wing/forwards. While Horford has always been a center, looking back he was one of the first of the new types of centers (he would have definitely been a PF in the '80s/'90s and can shoot and switch on smaller players defensively). Anyway, I look at our lineup, recruitment, style of play, and see much of the same. Ewing inherited Govan and so obviously tried to maximize what he got out of one of our 2 best talents, but also pushed him to run a lot and shoot from 3. When Govan was out, instead of bringing in another 5, we moved Derrickson over to the 5. He'd play Johnson and Pickett at the 2, 3, or 4. He'd have lots of guys bring the ball up. He stressed super up-tempo and lots of outside shooting. And on defense we showed a lot of promise at times as we pressed, switched, and used long arms to get in the way. Recruiting, we did go for Sodom, but that fits the McGee/Pachulia type. On the other hand, we've gone for very long, athletic, jack-of-all-trade type wings/forward in Pickett, Walker, Blair, and now Carter, LeBlanc, and the dynamic ballhandler/shooter/instant offense types in Mac/Akinjo. For 2019 and beyond, we have a lot more wings/forwards we are recruiting than centers, which everyone expected us to go after with Ewing in charge. The exception seems to be when Ewing goes after a 5-star type talent at the 5, which I could see being either because it's still a huge mismatch at this level, or because you do still need that guy when you face traditional 5s, or because Ewing sees a modern 5 in the making there (Anthony Davis/Al Horford being the prototypes). Maybe I'm underestimating the recruiting he's doing of 5s, but it seems we have stressed that far less than we expected when Ewing signed and have gotten and gone after a lot more of the switchable wing/forward types. Villanova is the closest in college I can see who purposefully builds their program to this new NBA style instead of by necessity. Look, I been wanting an emphasis on athletic, versatile forwards forever. I was waiting for III's promise for over a decade ago to have on the floor five guys who were interchangeable. With Ewing we may actually get close to that. But your take that Ewing is not really invested in recruiting fives unless they are five star is not true. The Wilson kid in South Carolina is a prime example. Sure Ewing would love to get the elite big men but he is also intrigued by those who may not yet be all that refined to get the high star marks. Based upon the article today from The Athletic, Ewing still thinks highly of big men who can post up (and do other things as well). Ewing stressed to Govan about being better in the post, not just on working on his longrange jumpshooting. There is no evidence that Ewing is trying to make Georgetown into some clone of Villanova but based upon his comments at the annual dinner he definitely wants to topple Villanova. Based upon who he is recruiting, the style of play last season and what Ewing has said himself, Ewing seems to like the style of NBA play he became acquainted with as a coach from the late 2000s to around 2015. This was when you started to see the changes to the game but just before small ball took over .
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Post by ewingitrust on May 27, 2018 10:11:19 GMT -5
There's alot of positive vibes about the program with Ewing at the helm. Catching up to Nova will happen sooner than pundits predicted.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 8:57:46 GMT -5
Patrick Ewing has a four-man class that could be the reason behind the Hoyas’ ascent back into the top half of the Big East. He found a good one in Josh LeBlanc, a do-it-all type that can really rebound the ball. Mac McClung comes to Georgetown with plenty of acclaim and playing alongside four-star playmaker James Akinjo should only help his cause. Face-up forward Grayson Carter adds versatility to the frontcourt thanks to the jumper that he wields out to the perimeter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 10:09:00 GMT -5
In D.C., things are a little less certain for this upcoming season, but Patrick Ewing has rebuilt the program more quickly than anyone could have hoped. Georgetown wings Jamorko Pickett and Jahvon Blair were both named to the Big East all-freshman team last year and have the building blocks to be high-level players in the conference sooner rather than later. Center Jessie Govan is still testing NBA Draft waters, but should he return, the Hoyas will have a consistent threat drawing double teams down low. Losing forward Marcus Derrickson to the NBA hurts, but Georgetown at least has a nice recruiting class coming to campus this season with two-four star players and two three-star players. Two such commits – four-star James Akinjo and three-star Mac McClung – should help solidify the Hoyas’ point guard position, which was a point of weakness last year. In 2017-18, Georgetown was forced to learn on the fly as Ewing got situated on the sideline and new players acclimated to bigger roles. This year, even with four freshmen joining the roster, the team should have an air of experience that it lacked last season. Georgetown is already loaded with athletes who play with quick-twitch athleticism; a little extra discipline and vet savvy could make the difference going forward. bustingbrackets.com/2018/05/10/marquette-and-georgetown-finding-footing-in-big-east-basketball/
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 4, 2018 16:50:05 GMT -5
My hope is PE allows us to see some of the work the players/staff are putting in..
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 4, 2018 20:27:31 GMT -5
My hope is PE allows us to see some of the work the players/staff are putting in.. You should follow the georgetownhoops Instagram account. They had three stories posted today of players doing speed and agility work. Tough to post on here since they only last 24 hours.
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