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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 16, 2022 15:42:36 GMT -5
What stat are you referring to for those last defenses of JT3 because they were not a good defensive team and certainly not ranked that high? Per Teamstats, Georgetown in defensive efficiency: 2016-2017: 131 2015-2016: 145 2014-2015: 113 All massively better than Georgetown with Ewing, but let’s not pretend those last iterations of JT3 teams were anything special defensively. They were passable, but not “good”. I am not sure how the TeamStats defensive efficiency is calculated (or even where you are getting that from), but I am using the KenPom defensive efficiency ranking, which is publicly available. I agree they are not great (and never said they were), but they are as stated: 2017: 58 2016: 81 2015: 33 Bart Torvik's numbers and Haslemmetrics' numbers are similar (also publicly available). I agree Georgetown wasn't great on defense in those years, we have just since fell off the cliff.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 16, 2022 15:47:56 GMT -5
What stat are you referring to for those last defenses of JT3 because they were not a good defensive team and certainly not ranked that high? Per Teamstats, Georgetown in defensive efficiency: 2016-2017: 131 2015-2016: 145 2014-2015: 113 All massively better than Georgetown with Ewing, but let’s not pretend those last iterations of JT3 teams were anything special defensively. They were passable, but not “good”. I am not sure how the TeamStats defensive efficiency is calculated (or even where you are getting that from), but I am using the KenPom defensive efficiency ranking, which is publicly available. I agree they are not great (and never said they were), but they are as stated: 2017: 58 2016: 81 2015: 33 Bart Torvik's numbers and Haslemmetrics' numbers are similar (also publicly available). I agree Georgetown wasn't great on defense in those years, we have just since fell off the cliff. Pat has no idea how to run a competitive defense.
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Dec 16, 2022 17:42:58 GMT -5
I am not sure how the TeamStats defensive efficiency is calculated (or even where you are getting that from), but I am using the KenPom defensive efficiency ranking, which is publicly available. I agree they are not great (and never said they were), but they are as stated: 2017: 58 2016: 81 2015: 33 Bart Torvik's numbers and Haslemmetrics' numbers are similar (also publicly available). I agree Georgetown wasn't great on defense in those years, we have just since fell off the cliff. Pat has no idea how to run a competitive defense. But, but... he's "telling them what to do" and "showing them what they are doing wrong on the tape"!
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 17, 2022 1:13:54 GMT -5
whatever at this point
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 17, 2022 18:53:45 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 17, 2022 19:19:36 GMT -5
So if he did a similar thing you wouldn’t want to still get rid of him? Be honest.
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Post by alleninxis on Dec 17, 2022 19:21:27 GMT -5
I think the larger point is that DeWayne Peevy is not the head coach at DePaul.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 17, 2022 19:33:11 GMT -5
So if he did a similar thing you wouldn’t want to still get rid of him? Be honest. I don't understand the question Professor
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Post by Elvado on Dec 17, 2022 20:45:34 GMT -5
So if he did a similar thing you wouldn’t want to still get rid of him? Be honest. If who did a similar thing? Ewing? Reed? Ronny? JDG? The problem is there is not a grown up who is accountable for this circus…
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 17, 2022 20:58:42 GMT -5
So if he did a similar thing you wouldn’t want to still get rid of him? Be honest. I don't understand the question Professor You posted that tweet for a reason.
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 17, 2022 21:00:26 GMT -5
I don't understand the question Professor You posted that tweet for a reason. Ya cuz no one in this program takes responsibility for anything but your question just said “he” when I think you’re referring to Ewing but the tweet was made by DePaul’s AD so who do you mean for clarification
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 17, 2022 22:07:04 GMT -5
I don't understand the question Professor You posted that tweet for a reason. This post didn’t help me understand your previous question any better Professor
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 17, 2022 22:19:30 GMT -5
Per the above related message from DeWayne Peevy, I disagree.
It's not the place of an athletic director to "apologize" for a loss. There's no shame in losing to a better team (Northwestern) at their home arena and it's a tacit shot at students under his leadership. No one among us would want their boss posting an public apology for work we did--if there's a problem, address it in private.
This is neither accountability nor leadership.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 17, 2022 22:21:41 GMT -5
So if he did a similar thing you wouldn’t want to still get rid of him? Be honest. Ewing is so far past the point where taking any accountability for this mess could earn goodwill that it’s a joke.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 17, 2022 23:12:46 GMT -5
What’s an AD doing apologizing for the performance of a coach and basketball team? Is he going to apologize for every mens and women’s sports team after losses? Not sure this is accountability.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 17, 2022 23:44:50 GMT -5
Per the above related message from DeWayne Peevy, I disagree. It's not the place of an athletic director to "apologize" for a loss. There's no shame in losing to a better team (Northwestern) at their home arena and it's a tacit shot at students under his leadership. No one among us would want their boss posting an public apology for work we did--if there's a problem, address it in private. This is neither accountability nor leadership. Interesting that you put apologize in quotation marks, wonder why? Could it be that you know that he didn't apologize for the loss but expressed deep disappointment in how the team performed in these losses? DePaul lost by 38 today, they scored 19 in the 2nd half. That's an embarrassing loss that came after a terrible loss to Duquesne in their previous game. The AD publicly expressing his disappointment doesn't bother me in the least, we all know he's out there pushing a “new day” as his fundraising platform and push for more ticket sales. that's hard to do when the folks you’re talking to are seeing the same old DePaul.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 18, 2022 13:33:47 GMT -5
Getting back to coach Ewing. I think the thing that has bothered me most about him this year (and I'll be honest I really thought up until last year that he could turn our program around) is the fact that this year he hasn't given any of his younger recruits a chance to demonstrate what they can or can't do. Sure you want to win all your games but jeez you would have thought that during the OOC we would have seen more rotations with Bass, Anglin, Bristol, Riley and Motumbo. Right now there is no way you can throw them into BE games with the limited exposure they've had to in game action. Sure a couple are transfers but none I believe faced high level D1 competition they will face the rest of the way this year. And guys like Motumbo, Riley and Anglin were highly recruited and Bristol was a MEAC Rookie of the Year. I really hope they stick around and a new coach gives them some serious pt.
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Post by tgo on Dec 18, 2022 19:53:37 GMT -5
Getting back to coach Ewing. I think the thing that has bothered me most about him this year (and I'll be honest I really thought up until last year that he could turn our program around) is the fact that this year he hasn't given any of his younger recruits a chance to demonstrate what they can or can't do. Sure you want to win all your games but jeez you would have thought that during the OOC we would have seen more rotations with Bass, Anglin, Bristol, Riley and Motumbo. Right now there is no way you can throw them into BE games with the limited exposure they've had to in game action. Sure a couple are transfers but none I believe faced high level D1 competition they will face the rest of the way this year. And guys like Motumbo, Riley and Anglin were highly recruited and Bristol was a MEAC Rookie of the Year. I really hope they stick around and a new coach gives them some serious pt. it is hard for me to fathom that i would ever think such a thing... but i do because this is how low it has gotten ... if i knew any of these kids personally I would have advised them to transfer before the end of the semester. these young men only get one chance to be a 19 year old with great athletic talent and to play college basketball and it is criminal that he refuses to play any of them. It is bad enough that he has taken from me and many of us the joy and hope and excitement that we had while following our Hoyas but what he has done to the kids on the bench is so beyond that ... I don't have words to express my anger about it and I cant imagine how i would feel if i was the father or brother or uncle of one of these guys.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 18, 2022 22:04:20 GMT -5
Getting back to coach Ewing. I think the thing that has bothered me most about him this year (and I'll be honest I really thought up until last year that he could turn our program around) is the fact that this year he hasn't given any of his younger recruits a chance to demonstrate what they can or can't do. Sure you want to win all your games but jeez you would have thought that during the OOC we would have seen more rotations with Bass, Anglin, Bristol, Riley and Motumbo. Right now there is no way you can throw them into BE games with the limited exposure they've had to in game action. Sure a couple are transfers but none I believe faced high level D1 competition they will face the rest of the way this year. And guys like Motumbo, Riley and Anglin were highly recruited and Bristol was a MEAC Rookie of the Year. I really hope they stick around and a new coach gives them some serious pt. it is hard for me to fathom that i would ever think such a thing... but i do because this is how low it has gotten ... if i knew any of these kids personally I would have advised them to transfer before the end of the semester. these young men only get one chance to be a 19 year old with great athletic talent and to play college basketball and it is criminal that he refuses to play any of them. It is bad enough that he has taken from me and many of us the joy and hope and excitement that we had while following our Hoyas but what he has done to the kids on the bench is so beyond that ... I don't have words to express my anger about it and I cant imagine how i would feel if i was the father or brother or uncle of one of these guys. My feelings exactly. I feel cheated not being able to see what these guys could bring to the program but the friends and relatives of these kids have to feel betrayed.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 18, 2022 23:37:25 GMT -5
Jack DeGioia is basically allowing the program to go the way of football. A token program to keep some alumni happy but with no real effort to be competitive. Except we actually spend a bunch of money on it, unlike football.
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