DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 19, 2022 0:07:15 GMT -5
Jack DeGioia is basically allowing the program to go the way of football. A token program to keep some alumni happy but with no real effort to be competitive. Except we actually spend a bunch of money on it, unlike football. I'm not trying to veer this into a Georgetown football discussion but that's not a fair analogy. Football is not a token program and its lack of competitiveness is considerably more detailed than people would suggest it is. But if Georgetown football got half the budget men's basketball does and a reasonable ability to recruit, it would be a FCS national power.
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 19, 2022 0:44:30 GMT -5
Jack DeGioia is basically allowing the program to go the way of football. A token program to keep some alumni happy but with no real effort to be competitive. Except we actually spend a bunch of money on it, unlike football. I'm not trying to veer this into a Georgetown football discussion but that's not a fair analogy. Football is not a token program and its lack of competitiveness is considerably more detailed than people would suggest it is. But if Georgetown football got half the budget men's basketball does and a reasonable ability to recruit, it would be a FCS national power. I would take that, we can make budget space by firing Ronny as step 1. A basketball budget at half of its current rate without the inner circle and a new coach could do so much better. Plus, football could be far more watchable as a student lol.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 19, 2022 8:25:14 GMT -5
Bennett beats Pat on God’s word.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 19, 2022 8:42:36 GMT -5
Wish Harris a very successful career at Virginia, but while his presence on the team this year would give Primo some competition and perhaps bring him under control more, the reality is that Primo is an upgrade. I will be interested to see how Harris is used and if he is given the freedom that Ewing gave him.
I can fault Ewing for so much, but bringing in another PG is not one of them. Primo is a bigger player, shoots the mid-range better, scores more and has more assists per game. TOs and 3 pt. shooting were equally bad for both players. The blame on Ewing is that he is allowing his current PG to do exactly what he allowed his former PG to do--ball dominance, over-dribbling, ill-advised shots, and not getting other players involved. Both players would benefit from more structured coaching to force them to be distributors throughout the game and not just for brief segments. I now realize the best PG Ewing had was T. Allen and he only got a run because everyone else ran off (Akinjo) or, in the case of McClung, got injured.
When Primo is not playing selfishly, he is the better player. Again hoping for Harris to blossom into a quality player at Virginia and always support the player's right to move to a better situation.
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Post by b52legend on Dec 19, 2022 9:10:51 GMT -5
I'll be rooting for Dante. I wish we had a program worth staying at, but we don't, and for the time being I won't blame any kid for looking at options elsewhere.
After Ewing's comments about not being able to get rid of his players because this isn't the pros (i.e., throwing them directly under the bus wheels), I understood why nobody throughout Ewing's tenure has wanted to stick around. They are viewed and spoken of as expendable.
Perhaps this is just modern basketball, but I don't think so. Other programs are able maintain a mutual respect between player and program. Our program instead seems to suffer from a mutual disrespect. It is an unhappy marriage that both parties stay in because they have no other options. I'm just exhausted from witnessing it.
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Post by hoyajmw on Dec 19, 2022 9:27:34 GMT -5
Jack DeGioia is basically allowing the program to go the way of football. A token program to keep some alumni happy but with no real effort to be competitive. Except we actually spend a bunch of money on it, unlike football. I'm not trying to veer this into a Georgetown football discussion but that's not a fair analogy. Football is not a token program and its lack of competitiveness is considerably more detailed than people would suggest it is. But if Georgetown football got half the budget men's basketball does and a reasonable ability to recruit, it would be a FCS national power. As shorthand for what Jack is doing, I think the analogy to football is pretty spot on, even without details -- though I would LOVE a refresher on what ails the football team and know the website you maintain, DFW, is just a trove of current and past info (sorta like the Bizarro World of this hoops site, and every bit as current and historically fascinating). I tried to find just now (but couldn't) the detailed story on the President/Priest who formally ENDED intercollegiate football at GU in the early 50's, got shipped out to another university in a lesser role, and is now buried rather in obscurity in the Dahlgren cemetery. Jack's place in what is effectively the ending of big time basketball on the Hilltop -- though not as direct and ignominy won't be quite the same I'm sure -- is not without salience, especially in terms of perhaps an unvocalized view that trying to play in such a big time college sports arena just isn't what the University should be about....The comparison perhaps even merits its own thread of basketball vs. football, esp. given how the portal seemingly quite the thing for GU football these days too...
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 19, 2022 9:40:11 GMT -5
I tried to find just now (but couldn't) the detailed story on the President/Priest who formally ENDED intercollegiate football at GU in the early 50's, got shipped out to another university in a lesser role, and is now buried rather in obscurity in the Dahlgren cemetery. That was Hunter Guthrie, SJ. Let's just say he had a very high opinion of himself. www.hoyafootball.com/features/1951.htm
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 19, 2022 12:35:48 GMT -5
I tried to find just now (but couldn't) the detailed story on the President/Priest who formally ENDED intercollegiate football at GU in the early 50's, got shipped out to another university in a lesser role, and is now buried rather in obscurity in the Dahlgren cemetery. That was Hunter Guthrie, SJ. Let's just say he had a very high opinion of himself. www.hoyafootball.com/features/1951.htmI was a student when Fr. Guthrie dropped football. We were on spring break so I learned of it while home. At the same time I learned of the plane crash that killed three students including the President of the Yard (i.e. student body president). None of us were aware of the shenanigans of Fr. Guthrie at the time. In fact today is the first time I learned of them. The students never saw him. I was very disappointed at the decision but there was little uproar among the students or the players. Note this was an era of real student-athletes. For the most part the players were students who happened to be scholarship players. They lived in the dorms along with the rest of us. Gene Stack and Lou Becker were especially good friends. I am aware of only one player who transferred to another school to play football (to Kentucky). The players kept their scholarships and graduated.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 19, 2022 12:45:20 GMT -5
I was a student when Fr. Guthrie dropped football. We were on spring break so I learned of it while home. At the same time I learned of the plane crash that killed three students including the President of the Yard (i.e. student body president). None of us were aware of the shenanigans of Fr. Guthrie at the time. In fact today is the first time I learned of them. The students never saw him. I was very disappointed at the decision but there was little uproar among the students or the players. Note this was an era of real student-athletes. For the most part the players were students who happened to be scholarship players. They lived in the dorms along with the rest of us. Gene Stack and Lou Becker were especially good friends. I am aware of only one player who transferred to another school to play football (to Kentucky). The players kept their scholarships and graduated. To be fair That was a different time. Most pro nfl players had to work another job in the offseason because the NFL salaries were puny. At that time getting an education was going to pay more than 95% of NFL players. I guess at that time it couldn’t be forseen how big/lucrative D1 football would become. Probably wasn’t till the late eighties/nineties when nfl salaries exploded thanks to real free agency, popularity of NfL, and USfL competition.
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Post by thedragon on Dec 19, 2022 22:50:24 GMT -5
With Dante officially gone...Malcolm is back on the roster.
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 19, 2022 23:48:37 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Dec 20, 2022 7:19:42 GMT -5
With Dante officially gone...Malcolm is back on the roster. The Basketball Program didn’t announce it and tried to pass it as a non-news? Very sneaky fail from our Chief of Staff… I guess the head coach, his assistant and Ronny deleted couldn’t find the one-semester mercenary who would’ve turned the team around. Good for Malcolm! At least someone benefits from the ineptitude and sneakiness surrounding our basketball program.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 21, 2022 9:06:08 GMT -5
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 21, 2022 10:02:42 GMT -5
With Dante officially gone...Malcolm is back on the roster. The Basketball Program didn’t announce it and tried to pass it as a non-news? Very sneaky fail from our Chief of Staff… I guess the head coach, his assistant and Ronny deleted couldn’t find the one-semester mercenary who would’ve turned the team around. Good for Malcolm! At least someone benefits from the ineptitude and sneakiness surrounding our basketball program. I thought we were told that Malcolm welcomed the move to Manager and that everyone was on board. Would a manager want to then suit back up again simply because the math worked out differently? It's almost as if I don't believe Ronny on this one despite his track record of honesty and transparency.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 21, 2022 10:12:15 GMT -5
Can we start a gofundme to actually pay students to start causing an uproar about this on campus? I know the apathy is so great that most don’t even care. But maybe we can form a team of “brand ambassadors” to start making some noise on campus. You know signs and protests and the like. They don’t have to really care at all about basketball. We can just tell them what to write and say.
I figure if we can raise like $20k, we can pay 200 students $100 each to protest on Healy lawn for a while. Show up to games with paper bags on their heads. That kind of stuff.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 21, 2022 14:49:17 GMT -5
If you’re one of the guys on the bench this year, why return under the same coach? You’re not going to miraculously get minutes next season. Transfer and play. Enjoy your basketball experience. No fun in sitting and losing.
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 21, 2022 16:32:00 GMT -5
Can we start a gofundme to actually pay students to start causing an uproar about this on campus? I know the apathy is so great that most don’t even care. But maybe we can form a team of “brand ambassadors” to start making some noise on campus. You know signs and protests and the like. They don’t have to really care at all about basketball. We can just tell them what to write and say. I figure if we can raise like $20k, we can pay 200 students $100 each to protest on Healy lawn for a while. Show up to games with paper bags on their heads. That kind of stuff. Send me the link. I’m in. I’d much rather give there then give to the appeals from the AD.
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Post by bluegray79 on Dec 22, 2022 15:29:46 GMT -5
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Post by wrestlemania on Dec 23, 2022 15:59:13 GMT -5
LMAO x 1000 re: "MisterHotBalls"
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 23, 2022 16:01:05 GMT -5
They just got destroyed last night. So much for crowning Brad Underwood
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