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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 4, 2017 8:23:57 GMT -5
let's list them here. This wasn't just about JTIII. What changes would you like to see the school make around communications, recruiting, game day experience, etc. Here is my list:
1) Put up a damn curtain in the arena at least for the early non-conference schedule. Push those in the 400's (or those who have season tickets) down to the 100's in the end zones. 2) Force the band to play current songs. 3) Have a staffer or grad student on full time social media engagement. 4) Get rid of the freshman who can't talk to media first semester. 5) Bring back alumni players for player mentoring, media outreach, etc. 6) Keep JT Jr. out of practices and the locker room during games.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 4, 2017 8:32:22 GMT -5
I vehemently disagree with all of the above except for trying to engage the alumni players. For certain first-semester freshmen should not speak with the media. That is a right to be earned.
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Post by TC on Apr 4, 2017 8:36:38 GMT -5
Keep the things that work now :
- whatever Chris Grosse thinks up for promotions - tough out of conference schedules of JT3 (no reversion to the JT2/Esherick schedules against 300+ RPI teams)
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 4, 2017 8:44:27 GMT -5
Biggest change should be for the new coach, staff and entire athletic department to get out and be ambassadors for the program with the media, student body and the general DC community. Start building some excitement for the program. It seems the program had gotten complacent and just felt that because they were Georgetown, they did not need to go out and earn the support of fans. Build some buzz about the program and make Georgetown the cool place to play again.
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Post by This Just In on Apr 4, 2017 8:45:11 GMT -5
I vehemently disagree with all of the above except for trying to engage the alumni players. For certain first-semester freshmen should not speak with the media. That is a right to be earned. It has been stated that JTII would come to the locker room during half time and coach players... Do you think that is appropriate?
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 4, 2017 8:50:20 GMT -5
I vehemently disagree with all of the above except for trying to engage the alumni players. For certain first-semester freshmen should not speak with the media. That is a right to be earned. So you vehemently disagree with creating a better atmosphere for home games? What's wrong with being better social media wise? If a freshman is starting or playing heavy minutes they have earned the opportunity to be interviewed.. I understand why JT2 started the rule but it no longer applies, these kids coming in are very media savvy, no need to shield them.. I like all the ideas put forth by the OP..
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 4, 2017 9:03:11 GMT -5
I vehemently disagree with all of the above except for trying to engage the alumni players. For certain first-semester freshmen should not speak with the media. That is a right to be earned. It has been stated that JTII would come to the locker room during half time and coach players... Do you think that is appropriate? Yes
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 4, 2017 9:19:33 GMT -5
It has been stated that JTII would come to the locker room during half time and coach players... Do you think that is appropriate? Yes And there is the problem. You can't have your old guard looking over the shoulder of the new coach. Ewing needs complete autonomy. If he wants to bring in JT Jr. for a post-practice talk about life, then I am fine with that. The guy isn't the coach any more and there should only be one voice in a locker room. I think Patrick will stand up to Jr. and tell him when he is and isn't needed and I am not sure III could do that.
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Post by the_way on Apr 4, 2017 9:20:56 GMT -5
Win some more on the court. That is the only change that is needed.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Apr 4, 2017 9:43:54 GMT -5
Unlikely that freshmen will continue to not talk to media their first semester. Pat has said that he was a big beneficiary of that rule. I think it may be outdated since they have access to social media. But, it's really not a big issue IMO. Agree with OP on all other points though.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 4, 2017 9:45:42 GMT -5
I vehemently disagree with all of the above except for trying to engage the alumni players. For certain first-semester freshmen should not speak with the media. That is a right to be earned. So you vehemently disagree with creating a better atmosphere for home games? What's wrong with being better social media wise? If a freshman is starting or playing heavy minutes they have earned the opportunity to be interviewed.. I understand why JT2 started the rule but it no longer applies, these kids coming in are very media savvy, no need to shield them.. I like all the ideas put forth by the OP.. I do not think any of those ideas will help improve the atmosphere for home games.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Apr 4, 2017 9:47:00 GMT -5
1. The Verizon experience could use some work for sure. For students, they need to do a better job getting them there at whatever the cost whether it's just giving away the damn tickets and buses. It will always be a tough lift in recruiting when everyone can functionally see that "playing in an NBA arena" is really just "playing in front of a half full arena with half the seats around the court empty". So I do think there is some connection to the on-court product. Ditto for non-students. Get competitive with pricing, do something with capacity, but make it a hot ticket to the extent it can be.
2. The media availability "conundrum" goes hand in hand with a bigger issue. Freshmen who play haven't earned the right to speak with the media; they should be as an outward-facing arm of the program. If we have a guy who plays, who people want to hear from, write stories about, the bigger issue is what is the program doing to capitalize on that to get functionally compounded interest returns on goodwill and attention. PE is going to have figure out that paradigm for himself as to whether we want to capitalize on coverage and push this brand out there, or continue to be a program that is stuck in the 80s and 90s from a media engagement point of view. Again, I see connection to the on-court product. Social media and engagement is just a reality with 18 year olds in 2017; get on board or GTFO.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 4, 2017 10:04:11 GMT -5
What about a Barclay's center dimming of the lights? That puts a focus on the players and court and for TV purposes shields the empty 400's and end zones. We have a somewhat embarrassing home court and I attribute that to the recruiting success or lack thereof. Go to a game at college park, it is fun, students are into it, they MD flag bit is pretty cool. We need something other than "hey baby" and some tarps covering seats.
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Post by the_way on Apr 4, 2017 10:08:02 GMT -5
Unlikely that freshmen will continue to not talk to media their first semester. Pat has said that he was a big beneficiary of that rule. I think it may be outdated since they have access to social media. But, it's really not a big issue IMO. Agree with OP on all other points though. Social media is different than knowing how to deal with the media. We see it with adults getting themselves into trouble with tweets, snapchats, facebook, instagram postings, etc. all the time. Media training is essential.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 4, 2017 10:20:25 GMT -5
While I supported JT3, I can recognize that there a bunch of elements that badly need to be addressed:
(1) Transparency: The university's bunker mentality is just not appropriate for the 21st century. In the 30 for 30, Requiem for the Big East, someone commented that Georgetown was an angry program locked up like the CIA. This was partially the environment fostered by John Thompson Jr. in the 1980s - and Ewing is surely familiar with it because he lived it - but that just doesn't work anymore.
My general opinion would be that where things can be revealed, to do so. For example, if there's an injury, and there is no privacy concern expressed by the student, be as open as possible. Be engaged on campus. Do interviews and interact with students. I think one of the reasons fans turned on JT3 was the perception that he was aloof, which was in part because of lack of ability, etc. In fact, I think if this was handled better JT3 likely would still be the coach. But, the bigger point is let's move into the 20th century.
On media availability of freshman, I really am fine with the rule of not allowing freshman to talk to the media for a semester, but I also wouldn't be upset if that rule went away. If we got to the point where we were recruiting and landing one-and-dones, I don't know that the rule is really very feasible anymore.
(2) Game Environment/Band: Minor in the larger scheme of things (when you're winning people don't care about these things as much), but no need to avoid improvements where they can be made. Yes, the lighting stinks in the Verizon Center, and I think sectioning off the 400s for our OOC games would make sense.
(3) Alumni Involvement: I actually think JT3 did a good job here, though you can always do better. I don't know if guys like Green and Hibbert will feel as much connection to the program now, but reaching out to them is important to make them know that the university still cares about them. It's cynical, but they should this, if for no other reason, than to maintain good relations with potential big donors. Plus, these guys all donated to the John Thompson center largely because of JT3. So you don't want these guys to be unhappy. While I thought that Reggie Williams and Michael Grahams' complaints about not being involved came across as a little whiny, to the extent that good relations with the 1980s folks are bad, this should be something Ewing can easily help to fix.
(4) John Thompson Jr.: Yes, it's time for him to go from practices, the locker room during half-time, etc. Ewing is in charge and needs to set the tone for the program. That doesn't mean that you toss John Thompson Jr. aside. Absolutely not. You still want him to be at Kenner League, and I think having him occasionally at practices is a good thing, and having him at games is a good thing. But, there need to be limits. You want to appreciate John Thompson Jr.'s wisdom, but he's not the coach and that needs to be clear.
While I often agreed with hoyalove4ever in the JT3 arguments, I disagree with him that it's appropriate for John Thompson Jr. to be in the locker room at halftime. That should not happen. Of course, if you get a big win, and he's at the game, absolutely welcome him in if appropriate. It's all about limits and boundaries.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Apr 4, 2017 10:26:23 GMT -5
Unlikely that freshmen will continue to not talk to media their first semester. Pat has said that he was a big beneficiary of that rule. I think it may be outdated since they have access to social media. But, it's really not a big issue IMO. Agree with OP on all other points though. Social media is different than knowing how to deal with the media. We see it with adults getting themselves into trouble with tweets, snapchats, facebook, instagram postings, etc. all the time. Media training is essential. Oops my bad. It is likely that media policy for freshmen will continue. . . Very bad writing on my part. I agree with you.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 4, 2017 10:28:15 GMT -5
Unlikely that freshmen will continue to not talk to media their first semester. Pat has said that he was a big beneficiary of that rule. I think it may be outdated since they have access to social media. But, it's really not a big issue IMO. Agree with OP on all other points though. Social media is different than knowing how to deal with the media. We see it with adults getting themselves into trouble with tweets, snapchats, facebook, instagram postings, etc. all the time. Media training is essential. At any of the aau events you'll see kids being interviewed by reporters, it's second nature to the majority of players now & not just top rated kids either.. Google Jagan & you'll see a bunch of interviews he conducted in HS.. Who thinks Waters needs media training if he were to come here? Its old school thinking imo..
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 4, 2017 10:30:20 GMT -5
While I supported JT3, I can recognize that there a bunch of elements that badly need to be addressed: (1) Transparency: The university's bunker mentality is just not appropriate for the 21st century. In the 30 for 30, Requiem for the Big East, someone commented that Georgetown was an angry program locked up like the CIA. This was partially the environment fostered by John Thompson Jr. in the 1980s - and Ewing is surely familiar with it because he lived it - but that just doesn't work anymore. My general opinion would be that where things can be revealed, to do so. For example, if there's an injury, and there is no privacy concern expressed by the student, be as open as possible. Be engaged on campus. Do interviews and interact with students. I think one of the reasons fans turned on JT3 was the perception that he was aloof, which was in part because of lack of ability, etc. In fact, I think if this was handled better JT3 likely would still be the coach. But, the bigger point is let's move into the 20th century. On media availability of freshman, I really am fine with the rule of not allowing freshman to talk to the media for a semester, but I also wouldn't be upset if that rule went away. If we got to the point where we were recruiting and landing one-and-dones, I don't know that the rule is really very feasible anymore. (2) Game Environment/Band: Minor in the larger scheme of things (when you're winning people don't care about these things as much), but no need to avoid improvements where they can be made. Yes, the lighting stinks in the Verizon Center, and I think sectioning off the 400s for our OOC games would make sense. (3) Alumni Involvement: I actually think JT3 did a good job here, though you can always do better. I don't know if guys like Green and Hibbert will feel as much connection to the program now, but reaching out to them is important to make them know that the university still cares about them. It's cynical, but they should this, if for no other reason, than to maintain good relations with potential big donors. Plus, these guys all donated to the John Thompson center largely because of JT3. So you don't want these guys to be unhappy. While I thought that Reggie Williams and Michael Grahams' complaints about not being involved came across as a little whiny, to the extent that good relations with the 1980s folks are bad, this should be something Ewing can easily help to fix. (4) John Thompson Jr.: Yes, it's time for him to go from practices, the locker room during half-time, etc. Ewing is in charge and needs to set the tone for the program. That doesn't mean that you toss John Thompson Jr. aside. Absolutely not. You still want him to be at Kenner League, and I think having him occasionally at practices is a good thing, and having him at games is a good thing. But, there need to be limits. You want to appreciate John Thompson Jr.'s wisdom, but he's not the coach and that needs to be clear. While I often agreed with hyalove4ever in the JT3 arguments, I disagree with him that it's appropriate for John Thompson Jr. to be in the locker room at halftime. That should not happen. Of course, if you get a big win, and he's at the game, absolutely welcome him in if appropriate. It's all about limits and boundaries. Agree to disagree on these points, save for alumni involvement.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 4, 2017 10:57:58 GMT -5
2) Force the band to play current songs. Most of the songs that the band plays are generally current songs. Usually it's the university and/or the cheerleaders that force the band to play outdated songs. I agree with your point, just pointing out that the phrasing isn't exactly accurate.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 4, 2017 11:02:10 GMT -5
While I supported JT3, I can recognize that there a bunch of elements that badly need to be addressed: (1) Transparency: The university's bunker mentality is just not appropriate for the 21st century. In the 30 for 30, Requiem for the Big East, someone commented that Georgetown was an angry program locked up like the CIA. This was partially the environment fostered by John Thompson Jr. in the 1980s - and Ewing is surely familiar with it because he lived it - but that just doesn't work anymore. My general opinion would be that where things can be revealed, to do so. For example, if there's an injury, and there is no privacy concern expressed by the student, be as open as possible. Be engaged on campus. Do interviews and interact with students. I think one of the reasons fans turned on JT3 was the perception that he was aloof, which was in part because of lack of ability, etc. In fact, I think if this was handled better JT3 likely would still be the coach. But, the bigger point is let's move into the 20th century. On media availability of freshman, I really am fine with the rule of not allowing freshman to talk to the media for a semester, but I also wouldn't be upset if that rule went away. If we got to the point where we were recruiting and landing one-and-dones, I don't know that the rule is really very feasible anymore. (2) Game Environment/Band: Minor in the larger scheme of things (when you're winning people don't care about these things as much), but no need to avoid improvements where they can be made. Yes, the lighting stinks in the Verizon Center, and I think sectioning off the 400s for our OOC games would make sense. (3) Alumni Involvement: I actually think JT3 did a good job here, though you can always do better. I don't know if guys like Green and Hibbert will feel as much connection to the program now, but reaching out to them is important to make them know that the university still cares about them. It's cynical, but they should this, if for no other reason, than to maintain good relations with potential big donors. Plus, these guys all donated to the John Thompson center largely because of JT3. So you don't want these guys to be unhappy. While I thought that Reggie Williams and Michael Grahams' complaints about not being involved came across as a little whiny, to the extent that good relations with the 1980s folks are bad, this should be something Ewing can easily help to fix. (4) John Thompson Jr.: Yes, it's time for him to go from practices, the locker room during half-time, etc. Ewing is in charge and needs to set the tone for the program. That doesn't mean that you toss John Thompson Jr. aside. Absolutely not. You still want him to be at Kenner League, and I think having him occasionally at practices is a good thing, and having him at games is a good thing. But, there need to be limits. You want to appreciate John Thompson Jr.'s wisdom, but he's not the coach and that needs to be clear. While I often agreed with hoyalove4ever in the JT3 arguments, I disagree with him that it's appropriate for John Thompson Jr. to be in the locker room at halftime. That should not happen. Of course, if you get a big win, and he's at the game, absolutely welcome him in if appropriate. It's all about limits and boundaries. On 4, my current understanding is that he is frequently in players s**t at halftime and sending over guidance during the game. It is beyond outrageous. he is also at practice (not Kenner, not as a fan & supporter) chiming in whether wanted or not.
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