the_way
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Post by the_way on Apr 4, 2017 11:13:30 GMT -5
Social media is different than knowing how to deal with the media. We see it with adults getting themselves into trouble with tweets, snapchats, facebook, instagram postings, etc. all the time. Media training is essential. At any of the aau events you'll see kids being interviewed by reporters, it's second nature to the majority of players now & not just top rated kids either.. Google Jagan & you'll see a bunch of interviews he conducted in HS.. Who thinks Waters needs media training if he were to come here? Its old school thinking imo.. Not talking about just giving an interview about yourself. Dealing with the media is a different animal once you step foot on a college campus. You are not only representing yourself, but also the team and your university. College, just for students alone is an adjustment. Try playing basketball for a major program, being away from home, adjustments, if any, to playing time, role etc, being homesick, And also going to class. It is a lot all at once to handle. Georgetown isn't the only school that keeps freshman off-limits for a period of time. There is a reason for it. It is not because the program is anti-fans or is old school. They are young freshman. Give them time to get acclimated to the life of a student-athlete first. School them on the do's and don't of sound bytes and loaded questions. Make sure they are adjusting to the workload of school and practice. And we are only talking about the first semester. Basketball season starts well into the first semester. The majority of the season is the 2nd semester anyway.
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justsaying
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Post by justsaying on Apr 4, 2017 11:49:28 GMT -5
Biggest change should be for the new coach, staff and entire athletic department to get out and be ambassadors for the program with the media, student body and the general DC community. Start building some excitement for the program. It seems the program had gotten complacent and just felt that because they were Georgetown, they did not need to go out and earn the support of fans. Build some buzz about the program and make Georgetown the cool place to play again. promote your program; do not hide your program. I feel some our recruiting fell off because we kept so many things (good things, what's happening around the players and program) about GU in the shade. When many of the top programs of today do all they can to get the fans, students, alumni, ... etc involved. Display the product don't hide it. If you keep it hide long enough people will forget about it.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 4, 2017 11:53:35 GMT -5
On 4, my current understanding is that he is frequently in players s**t at halftime and sending over guidance during the game. It is beyond outrageous. he is also at practice (not Kenner, not as a fan & supporter) chiming in whether wanted or not. If that's true, it is utterly unacceptable that it happened and it cannot continue. My recollection is hazy, but I seem to recall that in the early JT3 years, his father often sat by himself up in a box (where it would be hard to interfere). But, as of the last few years, he began sitting near the court. Maybe he needs to go back up to the box.
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caip
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Post by caip on Apr 4, 2017 13:05:44 GMT -5
Biggest change should be for the new coach, staff and entire athletic department to get out and be ambassadors for the program with the media, student body and the general DC community. Start building some excitement for the program. It seems the program had gotten complacent and just felt that because they were Georgetown, they did not need to go out and earn the support of fans. Build some buzz about the program and make Georgetown the cool place to play again. A nice start in getting the students to feel as if the program is part of the student body is to (i) have the players in the same dining area as the student body instead of sequestered off in their own area and (ii) stop staying at the Ritz Carlton the night before home games. If you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk.
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bamahoya11
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Post by bamahoya11 on Apr 4, 2017 13:18:08 GMT -5
I think the best and biggest change would be more outreach to the fan base and making them feel invested in the program. There are three core groups I see for that--students, alums, and the DC community. It would be nice to see Ewing play a visible role on campus and with alumni groups and the like promoting the program. It's not something we do a lot of now, it's something most other programs do, and it can be easily done. Something as small as a handshake or a 30 second conversation can make an alum want to give more or a student to trek down to Verizon for a game. At a bigger level, I would really like to see Ewing really promote the idea of being "DC's team." He's actually well equipped to do that given his connection to the program. It'd be nice to see more folks who aren't alums coming out to games and following the program again.
I agree with the idea of more media training and such for younger players. It's common place at other schools, along with sports psychologists and such who work to develop team chemistry. I would have to think, coming from the NBA, Ewing would be familiar with all of these sorts of resources along with things like advanced analytics. You can go too far, but I would like to see us implement some of that stuff.
As for JTII's involvement, I don't know what it is and can't really comment much on it, I'll only say this--what JTII does should be driven by and consistent with what Coach Ewing wants. If he wants JTII giving guys a pep talk in practice or whatever, fine. But what JTII is doing should NEVER be able to contradict openly in front of the players what Coach Ewing is trying to do. If they are on the same page, I don't really care about the rest.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 4, 2017 13:53:31 GMT -5
A nice start in getting the students to feel as if the program is part of the student body is to (i) have the players in the same dining area as the student body instead of sequestered off in their own area and (ii) stop staying at the Ritz Carlton the night before home games. If you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk. Why would they do this? What's the logic to spending money like this, especially since some of the players might have class the day of a game? Or do they not do that either?
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caip
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Post by caip on Apr 4, 2017 17:00:00 GMT -5
A nice start in getting the students to feel as if the program is part of the student body is to (i) have the players in the same dining area as the student body instead of sequestered off in their own area and (ii) stop staying at the Ritz Carlton the night before home games. If you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk. Why would they do this? What's the logic to spending money like this, especially since some of the players might have class the day of a game? Or do they not do that either? Recruiting? I don't know but when I saw that Coach K was unhappy enough with his team that he wouldn't let them use the locker room, I thought we might at least withhold the Ritz Carlton. Someone who knows the program better than I may know if this is still the case but I have a child who is a student and that was the word on campus. The students also notice the special eating area only for the players. Again, only repeating what I've heard.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Apr 4, 2017 17:08:51 GMT -5
I'd like to add an item here that has always irked me - how about a concerted focus on using stats and analytics to help make decisions? By his own admission, JTIII wasn't a big "stats guy". I would presume (or at least hope) that having spent so much time in the NBA where statistical analysis has become commonplace, Ewing will embrace advanced stats as a useful tool in decision making, game planning, player rotations, etc.
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 4, 2017 17:19:40 GMT -5
I'd like to add an item here that has always irked me - how about a concerted focus on using stats and analytics to help make decisions? By his own admission, JTIII wasn't a big "stats guy". I would presume (or at least hope) that having spent so much time in the NBA where statistical analysis has become commonplace, Ewing will embrace advanced stats as a useful tool in decision making, game planning, player rotations, etc.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Apr 4, 2017 17:22:20 GMT -5
I'd like to add an item here that has always irked me - how about a concerted focus on using stats and analytics to help make decisions? By his own admission, JTIII wasn't a big "stats guy". I would presume (or at least hope) that having spent so much time in the NBA where statistical analysis has become commonplace, Ewing will embrace advanced stats as a useful tool in decision making, game planning, player rotations, etc. Perfect
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 4, 2017 18:20:08 GMT -5
At any of the aau events you'll see kids being interviewed by reporters, it's second nature to the majority of players now & not just top rated kids either.. Google Jagan & you'll see a bunch of interviews he conducted in HS.. Who thinks Waters needs media training if he were to come here? Its old school thinking imo.. Not talking about just giving an interview about yourself. Dealing with the media is a different animal once you step foot on a college campus. You are not only representing yourself, but also the team and your university. College, just for students alone is an adjustment. Try playing basketball for a major program, being away from home, adjustments, if any, to playing time, role etc, being homesick, And also going to class. It is a lot all at once to handle. Georgetown isn't the only school that keeps freshman off-limits for a period of time. There is a reason for it. It is not because the program is anti-fans or is old school. They are young freshman. Give them time to get acclimated to the life of a student-athlete first. School them on the do's and don't of sound bytes and loaded questions. Make sure they are adjusting to the workload of school and practice. And we are only talking about the first semester. Basketball season starts well into the first semester. The majority of the season is the 2nd semester anyway. These interviews aren't just about recruiting, many of them are about the circuit season, how the team is doing or a particular game.. To me the majority of freshman are ready to go as soon as they step on campus, add that to the fact that they'll have been on campus for months prior to the start of the season I don't see it as a problem any longer..
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Post by Elvado on Apr 4, 2017 18:22:40 GMT -5
Biggest change should be for the new coach, staff and entire athletic department to get out and be ambassadors for the program with the media, student body and the general DC community. Start building some excitement for the program. It seems the program had gotten complacent and just felt that because they were Georgetown, they did not need to go out and earn the support of fans. Build some buzz about the program and make Georgetown the cool place to play again. A nice start in getting the students to feel as if the program is part of the student body is to (i) have the players in the same dining area as the student body instead of sequestered off in their own area and (ii) stop staying at the Ritz Carlton the night before home games. If you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk. If Darnall dining hall was good enough for Sleepy Floyd, any current player can eat in existing dining space. Sleepy would regularly sit down with us when we were freshmen and he was a Senior.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 4, 2017 18:28:44 GMT -5
I'd like to add an item here that has always irked me - how about a concerted focus on using stats and analytics to help make decisions? By his own admission, JTIII wasn't a big "stats guy". I would presume (or at least hope) that having spent so much time in the NBA where statistical analysis has become commonplace, Ewing will embrace advanced stats as a useful tool in decision making, game planning, player rotations, etc. They're used a lot in player development as well, I want very badly for Ewing to bring a modern touch to this program..
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Post by vv83 on Apr 4, 2017 19:34:50 GMT -5
One of my favorite Georgetown memories: Seeing a gigantic man walking into a crowded New South cafeteria wearing a long black overcoat. It was Ewing on his recruiting visit. A true moment of awe - he was the biggest human I had ever seen, and seeing the possible future of our basketball program in that setting is something that will always stick with me. That moment never would have happened if the players were eating in their own special dining area.
Craig Shelton, John Duren, Ed Spriggs, and Eric Smith lived on our freshman year floor in New South. Hard to believe that the star senior year players of the team were living in New South doubles back then! Smitty and Spriggs even played on our intramural softball team - not just that season, but for 3 years, until they graduated!! We won the campus championship our freshman year. Smith was a fantastic athlete (he was our SS). Spriggs played 1B - raw player, but he could hit the ball a mile. He always told me (3B) and my roommate (2B) "just don't make any low throws!" As long as we got the ball up high, it was pretty hard to overthrow big Ed.
Again, this is one of my best college memories, and you know that players today would never play on an intramural softball team. Probably good from a risk management perspective - but it is sad to lose some of this kind of interaction between the players and the other students. Having this kind of interaction with Smitty and Spriggs created a bond with the team for me and my friends that went well beyond them simply representing my school. You were rooting for them at a different level of emotion - they really were my "teammates" and peers (at least to some extent) out there on the court trying to win a national championship against UNC!
It makes perfect sense that this kind of stuff is not realistic anymore, but I do think that it does become harder for current students and the team to build the same kind of connections that we could make with the players back in the early 80s because of the way the culture of big time college hoops has changed around this kind of stuff.
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Post by sleepy on Apr 4, 2017 20:12:28 GMT -5
Not talking about just giving an interview about yourself. Dealing with the media is a different animal once you step foot on a college campus. You are not only representing yourself, but also the team and your university. College, just for students alone is an adjustment. Try playing basketball for a major program, being away from home, adjustments, if any, to playing time, role etc, being homesick, And also going to class. It is a lot all at once to handle. Georgetown isn't the only school that keeps freshman off-limits for a period of time. There is a reason for it. It is not because the program is anti-fans or is old school. They are young freshman. Give them time to get acclimated to the life of a student-athlete first. School them on the do's and don't of sound bytes and loaded questions. Make sure they are adjusting to the workload of school and practice. And we are only talking about the first semester. Basketball season starts well into the first semester. The majority of the season is the 2nd semester anyway. These interviews aren't just about recruiting, many of them are about the circuit season, how the team is doing or a particular game.. To me the majority of freshman are ready to go as soon as they step on campus, add that to the fact that they'll have been on campus for months prior to the start of the season I don't see it as a problem any longer.. Well maybe one day you'll get to run a major D1 program and can let all you 17/18 year old players get nice and cozy with the media. Of all the things the complain about and change , not letting freshman talk to the media for a month and half shouldn't even be on anyone's radar. Maybe someone can work in getting Thompson back on a radio show. That probably distracted home during III's first few years and all of Eshricks tenure. Or teach him how to play golf.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 4, 2017 20:53:21 GMT -5
Williams and Graham were roommates in New South in '83-'84. Cafeteria ladies would give Pat two trays of food.
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Post by vv83 on Apr 4, 2017 21:00:58 GMT -5
These interviews aren't just about recruiting, many of them are about the circuit season, how the team is doing or a particular game.. To me the majority of freshman are ready to go as soon as they step on campus, add that to the fact that they'll have been on campus for months prior to the start of the season I don't see it as a problem any longer.. Well maybe one day you'll get to run a major D1 program and can let all you 17/18 year old players get nice and cozy with the media. Of all the things the complain about and change , not letting freshman talk to the media for a month and half shouldn't even be on anyone's radar. Maybe someone can work in getting Thompson back on a radio show. That probably distracted home during III's first few years and all of Eshricks tenure. Or teach him how to play golf. The freshman first semester media thing is, I think, primarily an issue for..... members of the media! I don't think many fans really care much at all about this. It makes life harder for the handful of media members that cover the team closely (which consists right now of Standig, Bancroft, and maybe Gene Wang from the Post), but I don't think it really matters to many other people.
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 5, 2017 8:11:55 GMT -5
These interviews aren't just about recruiting, many of them are about the circuit season, how the team is doing or a particular game.. To me the majority of freshman are ready to go as soon as they step on campus, add that to the fact that they'll have been on campus for months prior to the start of the season I don't see it as a problem any longer.. Well maybe one day you'll get to run a major D1 program and can let all you 17/18 year old players get nice and cozy with the media. Of all the things the complain about and change , not letting freshman talk to the media for a month and half shouldn't even be on anyone's radar. Maybe someone can work in getting Thompson back on a radio show. That probably distracted home during III's first few years and all of Eshricks tenure. Or teach him how to play golf. The media access thing is the exact same thing people were complaining about and begging III to change 13 years ago. And then nobody cared about it because we were winning. Just win. I don't care who does interviews if we're winning.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 5, 2017 13:01:58 GMT -5
None of these changes seem necessary, by definition.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Apr 6, 2017 13:10:17 GMT -5
None of these changes seem necessary, by definition. Idk I definitely think embracing advanced stats and analytics is pretty necessary in today's sports landscape
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