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Post by miracles87 on Apr 6, 2017 13:46:08 GMT -5
Reading in to some of Coach Ewing's comments, sounds like there had better be plenty of padding around the stanchions under the basket.
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Post by the_way on Apr 6, 2017 13:49:46 GMT -5
None of these changes seem necessary, by definition. Idk I definitely think embracing advanced stats and analytics is pretty necessary in today's sports landscape not really. |
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Apr 6, 2017 14:40:46 GMT -5
Idk I definitely think embracing advanced stats and analytics is pretty necessary in today's sports landscape not really. Well I guess by definition it's not necessary in the sense that the school can continue to participate in college basketball without it. But the school could have also done that without firing JTIII so in that sense, the very premise of this thread doesn't even make sense. |
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Post by richfame on Apr 6, 2017 17:49:25 GMT -5
Can we be more transparent! Like every other school!!
Like with injuries / info etc
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Post by the_way on Apr 6, 2017 17:51:53 GMT -5
why?
This ain't Vegas.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 6, 2017 18:35:38 GMT -5
The modern D-1 athlete hopefully has access to a training table that includes food better than what I had access to at New South and Darnell
Also, Coach Ewing shared that he understood some basic analytics but that he also valued what he saw with his eyes. The only stat he referenced specifically was +/-. Those hoping for the 2nd coming of Brad Stevens will probably be disappointed.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 6, 2017 18:43:57 GMT -5
Why not? Nobody is asking for 100% disclosure. Obviously, we are dealing with student athletes, and surely they often deal with difficult situations (for example, what Hayes dealt with as a freshman). If a student has a situation, and wants to be private about it, I think that's fine. However, I do think it's ridiculous when the university is intentionally opaque when it's unnecessary. For example, clearly something weird happened with Cameron this year at the beginning. Now, maybe something happened and they wanted to keep it private. No problem. But I think it's fair to say, "Reggie Cameron will not be dressing for tonight's game and is on a leave of absence." (Or something like that.) I realize that doesn't say much, but at least it doesn't leave people wondering. Similarly, if guys have minor/medium level injuries like a sore ankle, etc., why not reveal it? Even given Georgetown's history of keeping things secretive, these little bits of information almost always come out anyway. In fact, I seem to remember earlier this year Ronnie Thompson revealing injury-related information that wasn't known beforehand while broadcasting! Also, I find it hard to believe that most of the kids would care if they sprained their ankle, and the university acknowledged it. The key here is perception. You don't have to be 100% open about everything, but if you can foster a level of engagement with the media, people won't constantly think you're hiding things. |
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Post by bamahoya11 on Apr 6, 2017 18:54:05 GMT -5
Why not? Nobody is asking for 100% disclosure. Obviously, we are dealing with student athletes, and surely they often deal with difficult situations (for example, what Hayes dealt with as a freshman). If a student has a situation, and wants to be private about it, I think that's fine. However, I do think it's ridiculous when the university is intentionally opaque when it's unnecessary. For example, clearly something weird happened with Cameron this year at the beginning. Now, maybe something happened and they wanted to keep it private. No problem. But I think it's fair to say, "Reggie Cameron will not be dressing for tonight's game and is on a leave of absence." (Or something like that.) I realize that doesn't say much, but at least it doesn't leave people wondering. Similarly, if guys have minor/medium level injuries like a sore ankle, etc., why not reveal it? Even given Georgetown's history of keeping things secretive, these little bits of information almost always come out anyway. In fact, I seem to remember earlier this year Ronnie Thompson revealing injury-related information that wasn't known beforehand while broadcasting! Also, I find it hard to believe that most of the kids would care if they sprained their ankle, and the university acknowledged it. The key here is perception. You don't have to be 100% open about everything, but if you can foster a level of engagement with the media, people won't constantly think you're hiding things. At present, we seem more likely to end that vexing nepotism rule than to make many of the changes suggested here.  |
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 6, 2017 19:27:42 GMT -5
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Post by bamahoya11 on Apr 6, 2017 19:33:00 GMT -5
To me, that's one of the more exciting things about the hire. Even if Ewing is "in the family," coming from the NBA he will bring a perspective that JTII (due to his time out of coaching) and JTIII (given his time at Princeton) just didn't. He has undoubtedly been exposed to all the bells and whistles of modern technology and the like. I do think we will start to seem some changes in these respects, especially if he gets support from the University in terms of resources. |
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Post by richfame on Apr 6, 2017 20:00:02 GMT -5
Why not? Nobody is asking for 100% disclosure. Obviously, we are dealing with student athletes, and surely they often deal with difficult situations (for example, what Hayes dealt with as a freshman). If a student has a situation, and wants to be private about it, I think that's fine. However, I do think it's ridiculous when the university is intentionally opaque when it's unnecessary. For example, clearly something weird happened with Cameron this year at the beginning. Now, maybe something happened and they wanted to keep it private. No problem. But I think it's fair to say, "Reggie Cameron will not be dressing for tonight's game and is on a leave of absence." (Or something like that.) I realize that doesn't say much, but at least it doesn't leave people wondering. Similarly, if guys have minor/medium level injuries like a sore ankle, etc., why not reveal it? Even given Georgetown's history of keeping things secretive, these little bits of information almost always come out anyway. In fact, I seem to remember earlier this year Ronnie Thompson revealing injury-related information that wasn't known beforehand while broadcasting! Also, I find it hard to believe that most of the kids would care if they sprained their ankle, and the university acknowledged it. The key here is perception. You don't have to be 100% open about everything, but if you can foster a level of engagement with the media, people won't constantly think you're hiding things. Exactly! Well said |
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 6, 2017 20:15:36 GMT -5
To me, that's one of the more exciting things about the hire. Even if Ewing is "in the family," coming from the NBA he will bring a perspective that JTII (due to his time out of coaching) and JTIII (given his time at Princeton) just didn't. He has undoubtedly been exposed to all the bells and whistles of modern technology and the like. I do think we will start to seem some changes in these respects, especially if he gets support from the University in terms of resources. I really hope so Bama, it's long overdue.. Can't figure out why some folks in the thread are so resistant to change.. It's a new era for Gtown, everything should be up for review.. |
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Post by the_way on Apr 6, 2017 20:47:13 GMT -5
Why not? Nobody is asking for 100% disclosure. Obviously, we are dealing with student athletes, and surely they often deal with difficult situations (for example, what Hayes dealt with as a freshman). If a student has a situation, and wants to be private about it, I think that's fine. However, I do think it's ridiculous when the university is intentionally opaque when it's unnecessary. For example, clearly something weird happened with Cameron this year at the beginning. Now, maybe something happened and they wanted to keep it private. No problem. But I think it's fair to say, "Reggie Cameron will not be dressing for tonight's game and is on a leave of absence." (Or something like that.) I realize that doesn't say much, but at least it doesn't leave people wondering. Similarly, if guys have minor/medium level injuries like a sore ankle, etc., why not reveal it? Even given Georgetown's history of keeping things secretive, these little bits of information almost always come out anyway. In fact, I seem to remember earlier this year Ronnie Thompson revealing injury-related information that wasn't known beforehand while broadcasting! Also, I find it hard to believe that most of the kids would care if they sprained their ankle, and the university acknowledged it. The key here is perception. You don't have to be 100% open about everything, but if you can foster a level of engagement with the media, people won't constantly think you're hiding things. Perception? For what? For who? The media? What about strategy vs opposing teams when it comes to reporting injuries? Not that it helped us the last 2 years. lol Coaches have always been vague when reporting injuries. That is the way it goes. It is trivial when you get down to it. If you want gossip, Georgetown isn't that type of program. The program hasn't directly given fodder for media or message boards. So one has to guess what is going on behind the scenes. That is the issue some have here. It is same thing with the coaching search or "perceived" lack of one. It is a battle of control for information. Georgetown controls what they do. On their own terms. You can't help but respect it. You may not like it, but nobody will dictate how they run things. On the other hand, Fans feel entitled to information Georgetown historically doesn't relay to the public. And what is this information? It is nothing groundbreaking or earth shattering. None of this has any bearing on the success or failure of the program. Recruits don't care about this either. Talk about necessary change, get some good recruits in here. Get some good guards in here. That is the change we really need. As far as analytics. You can number-crunch until the cows come home. There is only one stat that counts. W's. There is many ways to go about getting those W's. With or without analytics. Or a more mixture of both. As Al Davis said, Just win baby. |
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Post by staggerlee on Apr 6, 2017 23:21:00 GMT -5
If you haven't read Moneyball, I'd suggest giving it a read. It's a nice primer on how many aspects of sports can be evaluated in regard to a "W," to the extent of assigning the aspects a precise value. It's a complex proposition, but just trying to analyze different aspects sharpens your game. When you expose yourself to analytics, you discover that some things you rely on are more or less important in producing a win, and you adjust your perspective, such as in recruiting, accordingly and make wiser trade-offs.
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Post by the_way on Apr 7, 2017 13:18:55 GMT -5
If you haven't read Moneyball, I'd suggest giving it a read. It's a nice primer on how many aspects of sports can be evaluated in regard to a "W," to the extent of assigning the aspects a precise value. It's a complex proposition, but just trying to analyze different aspects sharpens your game. When you expose yourself to analytics, you discover that some things you rely on are more or less important in producing a win, and you adjust your perspective, such as in recruiting, accordingly and make wiser trade-offs. Not really. It is not for everybody. There are all types of approaches. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 7, 2017 13:22:50 GMT -5
In my mind, running a major professional franchise or college program without using analytics amounts to basketball malpractice. That is not to suggest that everything is about analytics. Obviously, there are a lot of factors that go into running a program, developing players, and winning games. But, analytics provide an objective way to evaluate players and to use them in an ideal manner.
I realize that some people simply do not like them, but I think they are a crucial tool to use in running a team. Moreover, at the most basic levels, these types of analytics aren't even that expensive, and thus, there is really no reason not to use them.
When videotape first became more available, I am sure that was "not for everybody" either, yet I don't think in 2017 anybody would suggest running a team without taking advantage of video.
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Post by the_way on Apr 7, 2017 13:33:32 GMT -5
Analytics just isn't the only way to do things.
Some feel like they need it.
Some don't.
There are those who have won without it, those who have won with it.
Those who have failed without it, those who have failed with it.
Coaches and programs have to find what works for them. Just like there are different schemes, styles of play, there are different ways to analyse the game.
There is no one way to do things. Granted, there are certain principles across sports that are the foundation of winning. Even with that, there are many ways to go about it.
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Post by TC on Apr 7, 2017 13:49:56 GMT -5
Analytics just isn't the only way to do things. Some feel like they need it. Some don't. This is like saying "hey some people need common sense, some don't". It is really dumb not to look at the numbers and it's dumb not to have someone who puts them together for you. Baseball has evolved to the point where a lot of the things that analytics has pointed out has become conventional wisdom (deemphasizing sac bunts, high percentage steals, pitch framing, walks/OBP mattering, etc) and the dinosaurs that don't adjust or accept have been forced out of the game. For example, I'm pretty sure if Patrick Ewing has spent 15 years assistant coaching in the NBA, this is kind of thing he's familiar with : www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2016/12/29/14115482/marshall-basketball-analytics-dan-dantoni-shut-down-reporter |
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Post by the_way on Apr 7, 2017 14:15:40 GMT -5
Poor analogy.
There is more than one way to do things.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 7, 2017 16:36:43 GMT -5
Poor analogy. There is more than one way to do things. If there is a way that gives you a 50% of success and a way that gives you 70% of success, which would you use? Both can get you success but to me, it's clear that one way is better then the other. |
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