lurkerhoya
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 30, 2017 14:53:31 GMT -5
To show how little I know outside my bubble sometimes:
Chris Mack (who we drooled over as a name), never had an HC job besides high school. Sean Holtzmann (who I think we would say worked out), never had a HC job and besides 2 years as an assistant at Butler had his most high profile gig be 3 years as an assistant at Ohio, which obviously was productive since it included 2010.....
Christian has more experience than both of them.
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Post by 95hoya on Mar 30, 2017 15:00:56 GMT -5
So I'd heard of Jamion Christian before, but didn't know much about him honestly. Knew his name was floating around. So I just read the blurb on TheSiteThatCostUsTremontWaters.com and HOT DAMN... Seriously, it made me tingle in funny places. It's the first time since 3/23 that a name besides Shaka actually had me excited at the prospects. Energy? Check Style of play? Check Clear focused program goals? Check Coaching chops? Check Do you think a Christian coached 16-17 Hoyas team finishes under 500 after reading that? SIGN ME UP NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. Seriously. If he's what he sells himself as, I could see him running this place for 40 years. Doesn't his style of play also at least give Waters pause about maybe coming back into the fold? DO IT DO IT DO IT When I say the boy has his own website, I MEAN THE BOY HAS HIS OWN WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yeah I'm sure what we lacked was motivational speaking. You guys amaze me. These quotes are great for fans, nothing else.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 30, 2017 15:02:50 GMT -5
If developing buzz about oneself was a skill translatable to wins and losses, Christian (83W-81L) might well make a final four.
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 30, 2017 15:15:33 GMT -5
.[/quote] But, you sort of pinpoint the problem: you mention people 40+. Those are the people who remember the "heyday" as you call it. Next year's college freshman will have been born in 2000. Think about that. [/quote]
Allright, fine. I don't seem to be able to shut up about that issue, And though, for now and always, those whippersnappers can get off my lawn, I missed the chance to run down and grab the mic at Verizon when it counted, so I do need to zip it. Also, not like plenty of folks who've been aroind longer than I weren't ready for a change....
Besides, and I really mean this, we are going to get a damn good coach with a great opportunity, and it is an exciting time. Quickly please, I'm having trouble hiding the clumps of hair on my pillow from the little lady!
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lurkerhoya
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 30, 2017 15:20:33 GMT -5
So I'd heard of Jamion Christian before, but didn't know much about him honestly. Knew his name was floating around. So I just read the blurb on TheSiteThatCostUsTremontWaters.com and HOT DAMN... Seriously, it made me tingle in funny places. It's the first time since 3/23 that a name besides Shaka actually had me excited at the prospects. Energy? Check Style of play? Check Clear focused program goals? Check Coaching chops? Check Do you think a Christian coached 16-17 Hoyas team finishes under 500 after reading that? SIGN ME UP NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. Seriously. If he's what he sells himself as, I could see him running this place for 40 years. Doesn't his style of play also at least give Waters pause about maybe coming back into the fold? DO IT DO IT DO IT When I say the boy has his own website, I MEAN THE BOY HAS HIS OWN WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yeah I'm sure what we lacked was motivational speaking. You guys amaze me. These quotes are great for fans, nothing else. Great for fans? Not for nothing but they translated from 1-11 to a 14-4 conference record and an NCAA appearance while we lost at home to the perennial doormat in our conference under similar circumstances. It certainly translated to more NCAA appearances than we've had in the same time period. Or just go with Danny Hurley or Richard Pitino. What's the difference really? Is coaching at a Power 5 school such a big deal at this point? It's 94 feet, 15 guys, 2 baskets and 1 ball no matter where it is... Let's just wait 5 or 6 years until this guy is the guy who we were about to pay 3.5 million to lure from Texas, that'll really be the key to success. Maybe he will be, maybe he won't be, but seems to me there's way more upside than anyone else we've mentioned aside from saying we got someone with some tangible experience that may or may not have any actual value beyond subjectively. It's funny how we act like "running a program" is some skill that you can only learn from having done it. Guy's been doing it for 5 years. Coach games, run practice, watch tapes, watch recruits, call recruits, go to summer camps; it's not like somehow the University of Minnesota coach is doing some Jedi things that an NEC coach isn't. This isn't asking someone who builds model rockets for a living to build the Mars Rover. It's coaching basketball and running a Division I program. If you can coach, you can coach.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 30, 2017 15:30:11 GMT -5
If we don't care about a track record in college, why not just hire Mikes Jones? Or Steve Turner? Or Glenn Farello?
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 30, 2017 15:32:57 GMT -5
Isn't there a difference between having whatever your track record is and having never actually been on the track?
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 30, 2017 15:33:05 GMT -5
I was with you until I got to the final paragraph. Which part? The part about us not being unique? We aren't unique in ways that matter as far as being a desirable landing place for a coach in 2017. I know we like to think we are some special, unique university, because of our history. And yes, winning the national championship was great, and JT Jr. put together a special program and had a cultural impact that was incredibly important. But, that is no longer true and has not been true for years. Moreover, if anything, the university is moving away from that legacy (unless it hires Ewing). I went to Georgetown. I absolutely loved the university. I love the basketball program. Do I think it's a special, unique place? Absolutely. I would never have wanted to go to another university. So to me, it's incredibly unique. To an outside coach looking only at the basketball program? Not as much. I agree with you on all of that. I disagree with the assertion that the powers that be must be oblivious to the fact that we're not an amazing and unique basketball destination.
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Post by trillesthoya on Mar 30, 2017 15:35:57 GMT -5
Rumor on campus going around that it's Jim Boeheim and they're working out the contract right now.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 30, 2017 15:37:42 GMT -5
To show how little I know outside my bubble sometimes: Chris Mack (who we drooled over as a name), never had an HC job besides high school. Sean Holtzmann (who I think we would say worked out), never had a HC job and besides 2 years as an assistant at Butler had his most high profile gig be 3 years as an assistant at Ohio, which obviously was productive since it included 2010..... Christian has more experience than both of them. RALLY THE SEARCH PARTY, WE FOUND DRY LAND! I took a look at Jamion Christian's out of conference record in his losing seasons: 2013/2014 14–19 (10–8 NEC) Played at West Virginia at Vllanova at BYU at No. 1 Michigan State at Penn State at Texas Tech 2015/2016 16–17 (9–7 NEC) Played at No. 3 Maryland at Ohio State at Washington at No. 10 Gonzaga Nice out of conference schedule for both seasons though are all losses which does effect his overall winning % NCE overall record 55–33 (.625) 5 seasons in the NEC and all 5 seasons over .500 in the conference And he has been to the NCAA's 2 times in the last 4 years
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 30, 2017 15:38:53 GMT -5
I have been a Hoyas fan since the early 80s. My Dad went to Georgetown in the 60s and my brother an I in the late 80's and early 90s. Even in the early 90s I thought the game had passed JT2 by. His style was starting not to work so much and it was obvious (to me at least). Great defense but terrible offense. No shooters. When JT2 retired I was momentarily encouraged because I thought our system would change with a new coach. Then Esh and more of the same, but worse. When Esh left I was even more encouraged and although I was not thrilled with JT3 he was a change and I was glad that he was coming from a program where he had some success. His style worked for a few years until everyone figured it out. Then it went down hill. The Princeton offense is not really a viable offense on a championship caliber level, especially when you do not use it effectively. I'd say about 5 or 6 years ago I started longing for a change but knew in my heart it would not happen for many many years. I honestly thought that Georgetown was de-emphasizing basketball and was not committed to having a strong basketball program. I still sort of feel that way. But here we are. Thank you to JT2 for building the program and to JT3 for contributing to it. But it is time for a new direction and a change in style of play. Georgetown is a desirable program to coach for many reasons. There are some negatives but overall it will be a great program to coach and should be able to attract a very good coach. I am still not certain that Georgetown is committed to being a basketball powerhouse like it once was. This search will shed light on that. My only hope is that if Georgetown is committed, then hire the best possible coach out there. Pay $3-4MM and go for a great coach that has had success at an established program. Just go for it. If you can't get one of those guys, reduce the dollars and get the next best coach you can get. But please please please do not hire anyone to make a political statement, because they are famous, because they have ties to JT2, or for any reason other than getting the best coach out there. I will happy with and support any new coach as long as he is the best, or one of the best, that we can get. Of course, if Georgetown is not committed to being a basketball school or is de-emphasizing basketball, then I will remain a fan but obviously will adjust my conference and post-season expectations. Well, thank you for stating it so eloquently. My sentiments exactly. I have also been a fan for as long as you have. I have only one question: Do you think it was Georgetown being committed to basketball in the days of JT-2, or was it his looming personality and revolutionary approach to college basketball that convinced the university admin and alums that basketball and turning men into boys could be a win-win for the school?
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lurkerhoya
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 30, 2017 15:38:57 GMT -5
Rumor on campus going around that it's Jim Boeheim and they're working out the contract right now. That ought to cut down on our tissue overhead.
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Post by 8791hoyanc on Mar 30, 2017 15:42:42 GMT -5
I have been a Hoyas fan since the early 80s. My Dad went to Georgetown in the 60s and my brother an I in the late 80's and early 90s. Even in the early 90s I thought the game had passed JT2 by. His style was starting not to work so much and it was obvious (to me at least). Great defense but terrible offense. No shooters. When JT2 retired I was momentarily encouraged because I thought our system would change with a new coach. Then Esh and more of the same, but worse. When Esh left I was even more encouraged and although I was not thrilled with JT3 he was a change and I was glad that he was coming from a program where he had some success. His style worked for a few years until everyone figured it out. Then it went down hill. The Princeton offense is not really a viable offense on a championship caliber level, especially when you do not use it effectively. I'd say about 5 or 6 years ago I started longing for a change but knew in my heart it would not happen for many many years. I honestly thought that Georgetown was de-emphasizing basketball and was not committed to having a strong basketball program. I still sort of feel that way. But here we are. Thank you to JT2 for building the program and to JT3 for contributing to it. But it is time for a new direction and a change in style of play. Georgetown is a desirable program to coach for many reasons. There are some negatives but overall it will be a great program to coach and should be able to attract a very good coach. I am still not certain that Georgetown is committed to being a basketball powerhouse like it once was. This search will shed light on that. My only hope is that if Georgetown is committed, then hire the best possible coach out there. Pay $3-4MM and go for a great coach that has had success at an established program. Just go for it. If you can't get one of those guys, reduce the dollars and get the next best coach you can get. But please please please do not hire anyone to make a political statement, because they are famous, because they have ties to JT2, or for any reason other than getting the best coach out there. I will happy with and support any new coach as long as he is the best, or one of the best, that we can get. Of course, if Georgetown is not committed to being a basketball school or is de-emphasizing basketball, then I will remain a fan but obviously will adjust my conference and post-season expectations. Well, thank you for stating it so eloquently. My sentiments exactly. I have also been a fan for as long as you have. I have only one question: Do you think it was Georgetown being committed to basketball in the days of JT-2, or was it his looming personality and revolutionary approach to college basketball that convinced the university admin and alums that basketball and turning men into boys could be a win-win for the school? Maybe it was Georgetown being committed to JT2. He was definitely revolutionary.
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Post by TC on Mar 30, 2017 15:51:53 GMT -5
Wonder what he's got on tap for tomorrow? (I got no information, I'm just throwing baseless speculation out there)
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 30, 2017 15:58:08 GMT -5
To show how little I know outside my bubble sometimes: Chris Mack (who we drooled over as a name), never had an HC job besides high school. Sean Holtzmann (who I think we would say worked out), never had a HC job and besides 2 years as an assistant at Butler had his most high profile gig be 3 years as an assistant at Ohio, which obviously was productive since it included 2010..... Christian has more experience than both of them. RALLY THE SEARCH PARTY, WE FOUND DRY LAND! I took a look at Jamion Christian's out of conference record in his losing seasons: 2013/2014 14–19 (10–8 NEC) Played at West Virginia at Vllanova at BYU at No. 1 Michigan State at Penn State at Texas Tech 2015/2016 16–17 (9–7 NEC) Played at No. 3 Maryland at Ohio State at Washington at No. 10 Gonzaga Nice out of conference schedule for both seasons though are all losses which does effect his overall winning % NCE overall record 55–33 (.625) 5 seasons in the NEC and all 5 seasons over .500 in the conference And he has been to the NCAA's 2 times in the last 4 years It's hard for me to be impressed by someone who makes the tournament by virtue of an automatic bid at that level. It sort of begs the question that is at the heart of this--the level of competition. This year the 10 team Northeast Conference had two 20 win teams, a 16-14 team, a 17-17 team, and the rest with losing records, some substantially so. Granted the Mount plays some majors outside the conference teams for revenue purposes, but they are not exactly thought of as a small school that "you don't want to play." Last year, in addition to the majors, they lost to UMBC, Lehigh (by 19) Loyola, and Bucknell out of conference. They lost (narrowly) to 6-23 Central Connecticut in league.
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Post by 617hoya on Mar 30, 2017 15:59:57 GMT -5
Wonder what he's got on tap for tomorrow? (I got no information, I'm just throwing baseless speculation out there) Boy would that be awkward if he was announced as GU head coach tomorrow after doing this.
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Post by 617hoya on Mar 30, 2017 16:03:08 GMT -5
Look, at this point, we can nitpick every coaching candidate whose name has been attached to this opening. We need to accept that there's no perfect candidate for this job with Smart/Brey/Cooley turning us down. We're going to need to trust the search committee to understand the rigors of the position and what qualities the next candidate has to possess to bring this program back to where it belongs. To me, personally, Hurley or Christian would do well. Regardless, have to accept that there is no perfect candidate for this anymore.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 30, 2017 16:03:51 GMT -5
Is that the Rhode Island House of Representatives or the Hellenic Parliament?
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 30, 2017 16:07:16 GMT -5
Are we sure that is not Mr. Putin? #alternativefacts
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 30, 2017 16:09:00 GMT -5
Is that the Rhode Island House of Representatives or the Hellenic Parliament? Rhodes Island?
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