sleepy
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,079
|
Post by sleepy on Mar 28, 2017 11:00:39 GMT -5
Don't judge from afar dude. Did Zo judge from "afar"? Yes. Unless he is on the team or a coach, I don't know how else he could have judged.
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,297
|
Post by prhoya on Mar 28, 2017 13:09:20 GMT -5
Did Zo judge from "afar"? Yes. Unless he is on the team or a coach, I don't know how else he could have judged. His son is on the team and wants out?
|
|
sleepy
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,079
|
Post by sleepy on Mar 28, 2017 13:17:07 GMT -5
Yes. Unless he is on the team or a coach, I don't know how else he could have judged. His son is on the team and wants out? His son is not him. Its also possible he wanted out because he knew JTIII was on his way out, is it not? Mourning has a better perspective than a normal fan but not better than the actual players on the team. In that respect, he is very much an outsider.
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,297
|
Post by prhoya on Mar 28, 2017 13:35:50 GMT -5
His son is on the team and wants out? His son is not him. Its also possible he wanted out because he knew JTIII was on his way out, is it not? Mourning has a better perspective than a normal fan but not better than the actual players on the team. In that respect, he is very much an outsider. So you don't expect father and son to discuss these things? Zo is not your typical GU basketball father. Zo is not an outsider. No, it's not possible. His father thinks it was a mess. Why would Trey want out because the creator of the mess was fired? What loyalty should Trey have towards JT3 who kept him nailed to the bench except for 30 seconds in garbage time? If Trey leaves, and puts out a statement, I expect something standard, classy and giving thanks to all, not burn bridges.
|
|
This Just In
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Bold Prediction: The Hoyas will win at least 1 BE game in 2023.
Posts: 10,592
|
Post by This Just In on Mar 28, 2017 13:44:34 GMT -5
His son is not him. Its also possible he wanted out because he knew JTIII was on his way out, is it not? Mourning has a better perspective than a normal fan but not better than the actual players on the team. In that respect, he is very much an outsider. So you don't expect father and son to discuss these things? Zo is not your typical GU basketball father. No, it's not possible. His father thinks it was a mess. Why would Trey want out because the creator of the mess was fired? What loyalty should Trey have towards JT3 who kept him nailed to the bench except for 30 seconds in garbage time? Zo is not an outsider. If Trey leaves, and puts out a statement, I expect something standard, classy and giving thanks to all, not burn bridges. Based on Alonzo Mourning's comments, he was not in the "Let's keep JTIII camp". Trey Mourning announced he was transferring before JTIII was fired, therefore there is a chance that Trey Mourning may reconsider and stay.
|
|
This Just In
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Bold Prediction: The Hoyas will win at least 1 BE game in 2023.
Posts: 10,592
|
Post by This Just In on Mar 28, 2017 13:46:11 GMT -5
CBS's Gary Parrish and Pete Gillen discusses what happened
|
|
DallasHoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,633
|
Post by DallasHoya on Mar 28, 2017 14:16:15 GMT -5
Based on Alonzo Mourning's comments, he was not in the "Let's keep JTIII camp". Trey Mourning announced he was transferring before JTIII was fired, therefore there is a chance that Trey Mourning may reconsider and stay. Has Trey actually announced he was transferring? Or has it been confirmed by anyone at Georgetown?
|
|
This Just In
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Bold Prediction: The Hoyas will win at least 1 BE game in 2023.
Posts: 10,592
|
Post by This Just In on Mar 28, 2017 14:39:39 GMT -5
Based on Alonzo Mourning's comments, he was not in the "Let's keep JTIII camp". Trey Mourning announced he was transferring before JTIII was fired, therefore there is a chance that Trey Mourning may reconsider and stay. Has Trey actually announced he was transferring? Or has it been confirmed by anyone at Georgetown? It was reported on at Casual Hoya, and has thus far no one has denied the report. Report: Trey Mourning to Transfer from GeorgetownCasual Hoya also broke the JTIII fired story.
|
|
DanMcQ
Moderator
Posts: 30,553
|
Post by DanMcQ on Mar 28, 2017 14:42:06 GMT -5
Has Trey actually announced he was transferring? Or has it been confirmed by anyone at Georgetown? It was reported on at Casual Hoya, and has thus far no one has denied the report. Report: Trey Mourning to Transfer from GeorgetownCasual Hoya also broke the JTIII fired story. The Trey Mourning story was first found on Michael Graham's facebook page, long before anyone "reported" it. As for the JTIII fired story, don't forget to cite Ben Standig.
|
|
DanMcQ
Moderator
Posts: 30,553
|
Post by DanMcQ on Mar 28, 2017 15:54:08 GMT -5
The Trey Mourning story was first found on Michael Graham's facebook page, long before anyone "reported" it. As for the JTIII fired story, don't forget to cite Ben Standig. Seems like lots of people have trouble citing Ben...
|
|
sleepy
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,079
|
Post by sleepy on Mar 28, 2017 15:55:09 GMT -5
His son is not him. Its also possible he wanted out because he knew JTIII was on his way out, is it not? Mourning has a better perspective than a normal fan but not better than the actual players on the team. In that respect, he is very much an outsider. So you don't expect father and son to discuss these things? Zo is not your typical GU basketball father. Zo is not an outsider. No, it's not possible. His father thinks it was a mess. Why would Trey want out because the creator of the mess was fired? What loyalty should Trey have towards JT3 who kept him nailed to the bench except for 30 seconds in garbage time? If Trey leaves, and puts out a statement, I expect something standard, classy and giving thanks to all, not burn bridges. You don't think is possible father and son don't see eye to eye?
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,297
|
Post by prhoya on Mar 28, 2017 16:05:27 GMT -5
So you don't expect father and son to discuss these things? Zo is not your typical GU basketball father. Zo is not an outsider. No, it's not possible. His father thinks it was a mess. Why would Trey want out because the creator of the mess was fired? What loyalty should Trey have towards JT3 who kept him nailed to the bench except for 30 seconds in garbage time? If Trey leaves, and puts out a statement, I expect something standard, classy and giving thanks to all, not burn bridges. You don't think is possible father and son don't see eye to eye? Not in this matter; don't know about other matters.
|
|
|
Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 29, 2017 0:19:58 GMT -5
His son is on the team and wants out? His son is not him. Its also possible he wanted out because he knew JTIII was on his way out, is it not? Mourning has a better perspective than a normal fan but not better than the actual players on the team. In that respect, he is very much an outsider. For many years you have been one of my favorite posters on the Board. Just from following your posts, I have come to value your views and opinions - in particular related to on court/ Xs - Os. I always remember you (correctly) predicting within an hour of Chris breaking his hand in Cincinnati that we wouldn't win another game that year. Having said that, you have been a complete train wreck this past week. Alonzo is an outsider?
|
|
sleepy
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,079
|
Post by sleepy on Mar 29, 2017 0:40:09 GMT -5
His son is not him. Its also possible he wanted out because he knew JTIII was on his way out, is it not? Mourning has a better perspective than a normal fan but not better than the actual players on the team. In that respect, he is very much an outsider. For many years you have been one of my favorite posters on the Board. Just from following your posts, I have come to value your views and opinions - in particular related to on court/ Xs - Os. I always remember you (correctly) predicting within an hour of Chris breaking his hand in Cincinnati that we wouldn't win another game that year. Having said that, you have been a complete train wreck this past week. Alonzo is an outsider? Anyone not on the roster, management team or coaching staff is an outsider when it come true team dynamics. Big John is an outsider in this respect as far as I'm concerned. Look, parents, family members, former players are all "insiders" to varying degrees with their own unique perspectives. But unless they are the team, they don't really understand the team situation fully or completely. In regards to my posts this week, while some of them are controvertial(my Shaka smart opinion) and rather negative, they really boil down to two points that I I do think over time will prove to be true. 1) Shaka smart is an overrated coach but solid recruiter who will always marginally successful but never as good as people expect 2) Georgetown handled the firing of Thompson horribly and have severely limited their chances of making the right hire in the process And I think we all agree that not making the right hire after firing JTIII could damage us so severely Hoya Hoops may never recover.
|
|
|
Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 29, 2017 0:51:17 GMT -5
For many years you have been one of my favorite posters on the Board. Just from following your posts, I have come to value your views and opinions - in particular related to on court/ Xs - Os. I always remember you (correctly) predicting within an hour of Chris breaking his hand in Cincinnati that we wouldn't win another game that year. Having said that, you have been a complete train wreck this past week. Alonzo is an outsider? Anyone not on the roster, management team or coaching staff is an outsider when it come true team dynamics. Big John is an outsider in this respect as far as I'm concerned. Look, parents, family members, former players are all "insiders" to varying degrees with their own unique perspectives. But unless they are the team, they don't really understand the team situation fully or completely. In regards to my posts this week, while some of them are controvertial(my Shaka smart opinion) and rather negative, they really boil down to two points that I I do think over time will prove to be true. 1) Shaka smart is an overrated coach but solid recruiter who will always marginally successful but never as good as people expect 2) Georgetown handled the firing of Thompson horribly and have severely limited their chances of making the right hire in the process And I think we all agree that not making the right hire after firing JTIII could damage us so severely Hoya Hoops may never recover. Thank you for replying to my post in a thoughtful manner and not taking my attack too seriously!
|
|
This Just In
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Bold Prediction: The Hoyas will win at least 1 BE game in 2023.
Posts: 10,592
|
Post by This Just In on Mar 29, 2017 7:30:31 GMT -5
Jerry Brewer of the Washington Post weighs in on his thought of the firing with CBS:
|
|
hoya59er
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 170
|
Post by hoya59er on Apr 2, 2017 16:37:21 GMT -5
JTIII was all Georgetown. It's a shame the university did not step up and help him as his coaching began to slide about eight years ago. It seemed obvious that something was wrong, that he needed help. Our teams were not playing tough defense, players were not progressing, we were no longer getting top DC players. Had he received help, be it mentoring or leadership coaching, he might have brought us back to a top notch program. Getting help is common practice in the corporate world and absolutely could have been effective with JTIII, had he been offered and had been willing. To me, it's shame on Georgetown. Look how we have lost attendance by students and many loyal alums. We have a very long road back, which has to hurt the university financially, big time!
|
|
AltoSaxa
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,125
|
Post by AltoSaxa on Apr 2, 2017 16:41:51 GMT -5
At $3+ million you want the University to help him? Disagree strongly.
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,297
|
Post by prhoya on Apr 2, 2017 16:42:08 GMT -5
JTIII was all Georgetown. It's a shame the university did not step up and help him as his coaching began to slide about eight years ago. It seemed obvious that something was wrong, that he needed help. Our teams were not playing tough defense, players were not progressing, we were no longer getting top DC players. Had he received help, be it mentoring or leadership coaching, he might have brought us back to a top notch program. Getting help is common practice in the corporate world and absolutely could have been effective with JTIII, had he been offered and had been willing. To me, it's shame on Georgetown. Look how we have lost attendance by students and many loyal alums. We have a very long road back, which has to hurt the university financially, big time! Help him?! He didn't help himself. If you don't believe me, check blue&gray's posts. Change was needed.
|
|
This Just In
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Bold Prediction: The Hoyas will win at least 1 BE game in 2023.
Posts: 10,592
|
Post by This Just In on Apr 3, 2017 11:35:22 GMT -5
JTIII was all Georgetown. It's a shame the university did not step up and help him as his coaching began to slide about eight years ago. It seemed obvious that something was wrong, that he needed help. Our teams were not playing tough defense, players were not progressing, we were no longer getting top DC players. Had he received help, be it mentoring or leadership coaching, he might have brought us back to a top notch program. Getting help is common practice in the corporate world and absolutely could have been effective with JTIII, had he been offered and had been willing. To me, it's shame on Georgetown. Look how we have lost attendance by students and many loyal alums. We have a very long road back, which has to hurt the university financially, big time! I can tell you, some posters did not think that there was an issue. Some kept saying it was bad luck and wish he never left. The Admin at the University appears to have thought the same and it appears the Univ. left JTIII to figure out what was going wrong. I do not think JTIII could figure out the issues. I remember after the FCGU loss and the CBS reporter asked JTIII why does this keep happening, JTIII looked at her and then the camera and replied "I don't know, I don't know". Which told me all I needed to know about the situation... JTIII gave an honest answer and was at a loss to the solution.
|
|