hoyas315
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Post by hoyas315 on Mar 16, 2017 22:23:28 GMT -5
LJ is not ready. Period. Of course he may leave but he will not sniff an NBA roster. I'm not saying any of this to slam LJ as a man but the reality is his game is not NBA caliber. He does not have a good handle. Jump shot not consistent. Average defense. If you watch enough basketball, both college and NBA, this is not even a discussion as far as NBA ready. I do not disagree that LJ is ready to leave because of other factors however.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Mar 17, 2017 0:04:42 GMT -5
I don't think he's ready but I do agree with drq that his game translates better at the next level. I don't agree that 22 is "ancient" for the NBA for anyone outside of the first 5 or so picks in any draft. Even those top guys usually don't hit any sort of stride (if they do) until they get to college grad age. For the guys that stay 3 years, a fourth seems to hurt most when their college team has a great year in which that particular guy plays really well during their junior year and then fails to meet expectations during that player's senior year. LJ doesn't have that problem.
LJ has the tools to be a plus defender and slasher. If he can improve his shooting and handle, he can really make an argument for himself. While he's found himself in a bit of a bind in terms of the state of his team and program, I still think he could better make his case by busting his butt in the off-season and showing out, even on a poor team, next year.
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Buckets
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Post by Buckets on Mar 17, 2017 13:01:21 GMT -5
His conference per 40 numbers are a pretty big step back from last year: www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/lj-peak-1.html#players_per_min_conf::noneSo no, he's not sniffing the NBA anytime soon, most likely not ever. He's a good athlete, but people here are overstating this based on our history with unathletic guards. Unremarkable athleticism for an NBA 2. 53% from 2 in BE play for a guy whose NBA skill is allegedly his ability to get to the basket just isn't all that impressive. The question isn't NBA ready, it's if he's ready to move on. Given his statistical regression this past season and that his deficiencies (ballhandling, shooting) are the same ones he had when he got here, I wouldn't blame him for moving forward.
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 17, 2017 14:22:25 GMT -5
Darrun Hilliard is 6-6, 205. AJ is listed at 6-5, 215. Hilliard is a four-year player, second round pick, who has bounced around between the D-League and the Pistons. Hilliard was well served by playing four years, had an excellent senior season, and was first team All Big East. He appears to have an NBA shot, but isn't a lock. I picked him a bit arbitrarily because he played four years and we've seen him a bit, but I don't see LJ as being as good as Hilliard. Of course, we won't know at the college level unless he comes back.
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Mar 21, 2017 19:01:52 GMT -5
peak enters NBA draft and will sign with a agent per espn.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Mar 21, 2017 19:04:27 GMT -5
Hope he studied a foreign language...
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 21, 2017 19:12:40 GMT -5
Hope he studied a foreign language... Australia or New Zealand! Didn't Kevin Braswell end up in Kiwiland?
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Post by tullamore2 on Mar 21, 2017 19:13:43 GMT -5
I think LJ has a chance to cling on an NBA roster spot. If not next year maybe in the future.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 21, 2017 19:37:25 GMT -5
NBA or not, as I said previously, this is the right decision. Wherever he ends up, he will be better off than staying his final year. Best of luck to him.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 21, 2017 19:55:36 GMT -5
I'm rooting for this kid!
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Mar 21, 2017 20:11:04 GMT -5
I hate to say I told you so but...
"I may be one of the few who think LJ will declare for the NBA draft and has a game that is much better suited for the NBA than it is for college ball, especially as it is practiced byJT3. Also, losing Pryor and not getting Waters will make life miserable for LJ if he returns to GU since he will be our only scorer and will be swarmed all year. So why should he return? Will he?"
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 21, 2017 20:12:40 GMT -5
NBA or not, as I said previously, this is the right decision. Wherever he ends up, he will be better off than staying his final year. Best of luck to him. I won't question the decision because the factors involved are nobody's business. From a purely basketball perspective, I think that he could use another year. But I'm not walking in LJ's shoes. I'd love to see him make the big time.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 21, 2017 20:14:21 GMT -5
NBA or not, as I said previously, this is the right decision. Wherever he ends up, he will be better off than staying his final year. Best of luck to him. I won't question the decision because the factors involved are nobody's business. From a purely basketball perspective, I think that he could use another year. But I'm not walking in LJ's shoes. I'd love to see him make the big time. I do not think he's a sure thing to make the league. I also do not think staying at Georgetown one more year will do anything to help him get there. He probably could use another year of seasoning. Might as well get paid and make it a full time job to get that seasoning.
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 21, 2017 20:21:59 GMT -5
I won't question the decision because the factors involved are nobody's business. From a purely basketball perspective, I think that he could use another year. But I'm not walking in LJ's shoes. I'd love to see him make the big time. I do not think he's a sure thing to make the league. I also do not think staying at Georgetown one more year will do anything to help him get there. He probably could use another year of seasoning. Might as well get paid and make it a full time job to get that seasoning. See my discussion of Hilliard up above. There are any number of examples of four year players who have improved their stock when they aren't clear lottery picks. I' m not buying that we''ll be so bad that he wouldn't be able to shine. This is mostly justifiable for personal reasons and that's just fine.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 21, 2017 20:31:52 GMT -5
He's an elite defender and was the best defender on Sean Miller's World Championship team in Italy. He was an awesome defender at Georgetown before the Freedom of Movement rules made it impossible to play elite man to man defense without fouling.
The NBA and international rule set favor his defensive prowess unlike the watered down College Basketball rules.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 21, 2017 20:37:28 GMT -5
I do not think he's a sure thing to make the league. I also do not think staying at Georgetown one more year will do anything to help him get there. He probably could use another year of seasoning. Might as well get paid and make it a full time job to get that seasoning. See my discussion of Hilliard up above. There are any number of examples of four year players who have improved their stock when they aren't clear lottery picks. I' m not buying that we''ll be so bad that he wouldn't be able to shine. This is mostly justifiable for personal reasons and that's just fine. The situations aren't comparable. Villanova was coming off a 29-5 season, where they were terribly disappointed to lose in the 2nd round of the tourney to a UConn team that steam rolled its way to a national championship. They were returning their whole core and some impressive youngsters named Arcidiacono, Hart, and Jenkins (maybe you've heard of them). They proceeded to go 33-3, though they lost unceremoniously in the second round again. Off a hugely successful season with a chance to come back to a national championship caliber team, staying one more year made sense for Hilliard. He got all kinds of national exposure and played on a team that could help his game. LJ is on a team coming off a terrible season and staring at an even worse season next year. There's a legitimate chance his performance would have actually suffered next year being surrounded by the dreck that is left on this team. Making incremental improvements to his game while slogging through a horrible season on a horrible team just isn't gonna do much for his draft stock and the only national exposure this team will be getting is negative press. IMO, the two situations, even from a strictly basketball perspective, just aren't all that comparable.
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MJGHoya
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Post by MJGHoya on Mar 21, 2017 20:55:06 GMT -5
I don't think Peak is an elite defender. I wish him the best, but don't think has the lateral quickness.
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 21, 2017 21:02:31 GMT -5
See my discussion of Hilliard up above. There are any number of examples of four year players who have improved their stock when they aren't clear lottery picks. I' m not buying that we''ll be so bad that he wouldn't be able to shine. This is mostly justifiable for personal reasons and that's just fine. The situations aren't comparable. Villanova was coming off a 29-5 season, where they were terribly disappointed to lose in the 2nd round of the tourney to a UConn team that steam rolled its way to a national championship. They were returning their whole core and some impressive youngsters named Arcidiacono, Hart, and Jenkins (maybe you've heard of them). They proceeded to go 33-3, though they lost unceremoniously in the second round again. Off a hugely successful season with a chance to come back to a national championship caliber team, staying one more year made sense for Hilliard. He got all kinds of national exposure and played on a team that could help his game. LJ is on a team coming off a terrible season and staring at an even worse season next year. There's a legitimate chance his performance would have actually suffered next year being surrounded by the dreck that is left on this team. Making incremental improvements to his game while slogging through a horrible season on a horrible team just isn't gonna do much for his draft stock and the only national exposure this team will be getting is negative press. IMO, the two situations, even from a strictly basketball perspective, just aren't all that comparable. Perhaps. My intention was not to question the wisdom of LJ's decision but to compare whether someone somewhat comparable in physical gifts could become an NBA player under similar competition. That said, I will admit that I'm not all that impressed by the argument that the Hoyas will be so bad next year that LJ would be hurt performance-wise. The real point is whether LJ, now or in a year, is in the same class as Hilliard. I think the now part is obvious. Bottom line is that Hilliard, when he left, was a considerably better player than LJ IMO. And Hilliard is marginal as an NBA prospec6.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 21, 2017 21:09:26 GMT -5
He's an elite defender and was the best defender on Sean Miller's World Championship team in Italy. He was an awesome defender at Georgetown before the Freedom of Movement rules made it impossible to play elite man to man defense without fouling. The NBA and international rule set favor his defensive prowess unlike the watered down College Basketball rules. I have seen quite a bit of elite defense the past week. Somehow others have figured it out within the new rules.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Mar 21, 2017 21:11:33 GMT -5
Love this kid! I wish him the best as he meets his challenges.
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