SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 15, 2017 11:17:41 GMT -5
No, not at all. There's a 0% chance he's getting drafted.
I love Peak. He is nowhere near an NBA player right now.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Mar 15, 2017 11:49:09 GMT -5
Watched the Knicks lately?
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AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Mar 15, 2017 11:51:07 GMT -5
No, but ... does one more year at GU help in any way?
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 15, 2017 12:02:04 GMT -5
No, but ... does one more year at GU help in any way? It will be his team, hands down. That should result in some good numbers even if the team struggles, and he'll have another year to work on his shot. I get that there's a lot to be said for leaving--especially if finances warrant--but there's also something to be said for being "the man" for a year, especially if there's a degree in the mix as well.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 15, 2017 14:22:29 GMT -5
No, but ... does one more year at GU help in any way? It will be his team, hands down. That should result in some good numbers even if the team struggles, and he'll have another year to work on his shot. I get that there's a lot to be said for leaving--especially if finances warrant--but there's also something to be said for being "the man" for a year, especially if there's a degree in the mix as well. In what sense wasn't he "the man" this year? Because Pryor took a lot of shots and scored a lot of points? Based on who's coming back and who's coming in, without Pryor, the gameplan against us will be double LJ and make someone else score. Because no one else on this team can do it consistently. He could easily have a worse statistical year than this year. Is LJ NBA-ready? No. But I just don't see much value in him coming back next year to put up a bunch of hollow statistics on a bad team. The nonsense about working on his game never made any sense to me. If he decides to move on, will he just stop working on his game? Will he have no opportunity to work on his shot if he leaves? From what I can tell it's quite the contrary - he'll have much more time to work on his game when it's his full-time job and he's getting paid to do it, instead of wasting another year of life trying to carry a bad team to mediocrity. If the kid values his education and wants to get his degree, that's one thing (though he could always finish it later on). But from a purely basketball point of view, I don't see any value in returning.
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Mar 15, 2017 14:25:21 GMT -5
No, not at all. There's a 0% chance he's getting drafted. I love Peak. He is nowhere near an NBA player right now. It would be tough to really look like an NBA player on this year's team, though, in all fairness. One thing he definitely has is the athleticism, and that does count.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 15, 2017 14:25:48 GMT -5
He can have a Gerald Riley on steroids type year next year. I got him going for 22 per game.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 15, 2017 14:30:24 GMT -5
He can have a Gerald Riley on steroids type year next year. I got him going for 22 per game. I don't see it. I see opponents suffocating him and making someone else score or forcing him to take horrible, contested shots. Because at any given time, he'll have at least 3 guys on the court with him who are pretty abominable offensively.
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 15, 2017 14:46:15 GMT -5
It will be his team, hands down. That should result in some good numbers even if the team struggles, and he'll have another year to work on his shot. I get that there's a lot to be said for leaving--especially if finances warrant--but there's also something to be said for being "the man" for a year, especially if there's a degree in the mix as well. In what sense wasn't he "the man" this year? Because Pryor took a lot of shots and scored a lot of points? Based on who's coming back and who's coming in, without Pryor, the gameplan against us will be double LJ and make someone else score. Because no one else on this team can do it consistently. He could easily have a worse statistical year than this year. I think that you answered your own question by taking Pryor into account, but point taken that there's definitely a risk that the lack of other options would have a negative effect. He will, however, get a lot of looks. If only we had a distributor/penetrator coming in this year to insure those would be good looks.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 15, 2017 16:15:33 GMT -5
I started the thread and really believe LJ will leave for many of the reasons cited above. BUT, I also don't think we saw the real-or complete-Jagan Mosley this year. I expect him to improve significantly next year and if LJ stays he may have the pg help he needs.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 16, 2017 8:18:05 GMT -5
No, not at all. There's a 0% chance he's getting drafted. I love Peak. He is nowhere near an NBA player right now. It would be tough to really look like an NBA player on this year's team, though, in all fairness. One thing he definitely has is the athleticism, and that does count. Almost all the players drafted these days in the NBA are drafted on their potential and physical attributes. The players enter the league at such a young age than very few are really "ready" for the NBA. You get a few like LeBron that come in and ready to go from day 1, but most need to develop in the NBA. I agree that LJ is not ready to show up and get consistent and meaningful minutes in the NBA yet, but he has shown enough athleticism and potential to be considered by some teams. Does that mean he would get drafted? I don't really know and I would expect it would be a second round pick at best if he was drafted. I just hope he does what is best for him and his family.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 16, 2017 13:09:46 GMT -5
he can't defend in college without fouling. he's was a terrible 3pt shooter this year. he is very aggressive off the dribble but is out of control at times. no way he gets drafted. best bet is to get into the summer league and try to get into the d league. It's true that last year, LJ was pretty bad when it came to committing fouls, getting whistled for 5.7 fouls per 40, but his freshman season and this season he only got whistled for 3.2 and 3.4, respectively. That's actually pretty good.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 16, 2017 13:21:06 GMT -5
he can't defend in college without fouling. he's was a terrible 3pt shooter this year. he is very aggressive off the dribble but is out of control at times. no way he gets drafted. best bet is to get into the summer league and try to get into the d league. It's true that last year, LJ was pretty bad when it came to committing fouls, getting whistled for 5.7 fouls per 40, but his freshman season and this season he only got whistled for 3.2 and 3.4, respectively. That's actually pretty good. Peak definitely improved a lot in that regard. Though, his in-conference foul rate was 3.8, so he definitely trended a bit upward, though that's not entirely surprising given the better competition.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 16, 2017 15:00:22 GMT -5
It will be his team, hands down. That should result in some good numbers even if the team struggles, and he'll have another year to work on his shot. I get that there's a lot to be said for leaving--especially if finances warrant--but there's also something to be said for being "the man" for a year, especially if there's a degree in the mix as well. In what sense wasn't he "the man" this year? Because Pryor took a lot of shots and scored a lot of points? Based on who's coming back and who's coming in, without Pryor, the gameplan against us will be double LJ and make someone else score. Because no one else on this team can do it consistently. He could easily have a worse statistical year than this year. Is LJ NBA-ready? No. But I just don't see much value in him coming back next year to put up a bunch of hollow statistics on a bad team. The nonsense about working on his game never made any sense to me. If he decides to move on, will he just stop working on his game? Will he have no opportunity to work on his shot if he leaves? From what I can tell it's quite the contrary - he'll have much more time to work on his game when it's his full-time job and he's getting paid to do it, instead of wasting another year of life trying to carry a bad team to mediocrity. If the kid values his education and wants to get his degree, that's one thing (though he could always finish it later on). But from a purely basketball point of view, I don't see any value in returning. Working on your game is not entirely "nonsense". An NBA team would rather see that you can and have improved a weakness at the college level, rather than spending $$ and a pick based on the hope that you can improve your (shot, defense, ballhandling, etc.)only to discover that you can't. It is not always a critical factor, but it usually can't hurt.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 16, 2017 15:14:57 GMT -5
In what sense wasn't he "the man" this year? Because Pryor took a lot of shots and scored a lot of points? Based on who's coming back and who's coming in, without Pryor, the gameplan against us will be double LJ and make someone else score. Because no one else on this team can do it consistently. He could easily have a worse statistical year than this year. Is LJ NBA-ready? No. But I just don't see much value in him coming back next year to put up a bunch of hollow statistics on a bad team. The nonsense about working on his game never made any sense to me. If he decides to move on, will he just stop working on his game? Will he have no opportunity to work on his shot if he leaves? From what I can tell it's quite the contrary - he'll have much more time to work on his game when it's his full-time job and he's getting paid to do it, instead of wasting another year of life trying to carry a bad team to mediocrity. If the kid values his education and wants to get his degree, that's one thing (though he could always finish it later on). But from a purely basketball point of view, I don't see any value in returning. Working on your game is not entirely "nonsense". An NBA team would rather see that you can and have improved a weakness at the college level, rather than spending $$ and a pick based on the hope that you can improve your (shot, defense, ballhandling, etc.)only to discover that you can't. It is not always a critical factor, but it usually can't hurt. I'm mostly thinking about the D-League when I consider his options. The NBA is starting to dump resources into it, and they're treating it more like a minor league than they ever have before. Even if he doesn't get drafted, LJ will certainly find his way onto a D-League roster, where he'll both get paid and have more time to work on his game. I just don't see him increasing his draft stock much by coming back next year. I don't think playing another year in college on a bad team does more for him than honing his game in the D-League. Either way, he's a fringe NBA player, and I just think staying does very little for him professionally and personally.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 16, 2017 15:22:57 GMT -5
I agree that I think LJ's best future lies overseas.
But he does have the athleticism if he could improve other skills.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 16, 2017 16:09:25 GMT -5
Working on your game is not entirely "nonsense". An NBA team would rather see that you can and have improved a weakness at the college level, rather than spending $$ and a pick based on the hope that you can improve your (shot, defense, ballhandling, etc.)only to discover that you can't. It is not always a critical factor, but it usually can't hurt. I'm mostly thinking about the D-League when I consider his options. The NBA is starting to dump resources into it, and they're treating it more like a minor league than they ever have before. Even if he doesn't get drafted, LJ will certainly find his way onto a D-League roster, where he'll both get paid and have more time to work on his game. I just don't see him increasing his draft stock much by coming back next year. I don't think playing another year in college on a bad team does more for him than honing his game in the D-League. Either way, he's a fringe NBA player, and I just think staying does very little for him professionally and personally. If Peak is a fringe NBA player, then I think it's wrong to say that staying "does very little for him professionally and personally." Maybe professionally, but certainly not personally. If the guy isn't going to live out his life on basketball-income, and that's the likely scenario, as much as I would love for him to get a big NBA contract someday, then getting a degree is incredibly valuable outside the world of basketball. And yes, I know he will have completed his junior year, and people can always come back and finish, but to my knowledge Jeff Green is the only player who has done that. Coming back for a degree, when you have a family, and real-world obligations, isn't an easy thing. And Green had the benefit of great resources (i.e., he was wealthy from getting drafted). Maybe the D League is changing, but I think unless you get guaranteed money in the first round of the draft, it's foolish to leave college for the D League. And while you may be right that being in the D League would allow him more time to work on his game, there's no reason that option won't exist a year from now.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 16, 2017 16:33:26 GMT -5
Well, I don't see him as a "fringe NBA player" at this point, so I suppose that colors his alternatives for me. Most fringe NBA players/up and coming D-leaguers are guys who do one thing very well--which makes them useful end of bench or 10-day contract material. And, in fact, a good portion of those guys are bangers and boarders, with an occasional excellent defender or Hollis Thompson-like shooter thrown in. There are an awful lot of 2-guard prospects out there who are decent at a couple of things and who can score in the college game. They don't usually make the league unless they are really good and have a body type to match. The wild card here is LJ's personal situation, which isn't something to dwell on. But if money is a need, I see him better off overseas and hope that he would use the resources of G'town players who have gone that route to make a decision.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 16, 2017 16:41:42 GMT -5
I'm mostly thinking about the D-League when I consider his options. The NBA is starting to dump resources into it, and they're treating it more like a minor league than they ever have before. Even if he doesn't get drafted, LJ will certainly find his way onto a D-League roster, where he'll both get paid and have more time to work on his game. I just don't see him increasing his draft stock much by coming back next year. I don't think playing another year in college on a bad team does more for him than honing his game in the D-League. Either way, he's a fringe NBA player, and I just think staying does very little for him professionally and personally. If Peak is a fringe NBA player, then I think it's wrong to say that staying "does very little for him professionally and personally." Maybe professionally, but certainly not personally. If the guy isn't going to live out his life on basketball-income, and that's the likely scenario, as much as I would love for him to get a big NBA contract someday, then getting a degree is incredibly valuable outside the world of basketball. And yes, I know he will have completed his junior year, and people can always come back and finish, but to my knowledge Jeff Green is the only player who has done that. Coming back for a degree, when you have a family, and real-world obligations, isn't an easy thing. And Green had the benefit of great resources (i.e., he was wealthy from getting drafted). Maybe the D League is changing, but I think unless you get guaranteed money in the first round of the draft, it's foolish to leave college for the D League. And while you may be right that being in the D League would allow him more time to work on his game, there's no reason that option won't exist a year from now. Except he's one year older a year from now. He'll be 22, turning 23 during his rookie year. That's ancient in the NBA and a serious knock against his draft prospects. Georgetown will always be there if he wants to come back. He's only got so many years to make money playing this game and he's already got a family to think about. I also don't think it's fair to say that "only" Jeff Green came back to finish his degree. Who else did you expect to come back that left early? It's not like the pro ranks are chock full of former Hoyas that didn't graduate. Seems unlikely that Monroe and Porter would come back given they'd need to finish two years and are on the fast track to making boatloads of money in the NBA. Jeff might be the only one to finish his degree while still playing, but you have no idea if the other guys intend to come back and finish. Maybe Hollis and DaJuan come back at some point, who knows? But as far as I can tell, they're the only three that left after their junior years under JTIII. Bottom line is a basketball career is finite. Staying one more year seems like a waste to me. The program is in shambles, the team is going to be bad, it's time to make some money one way or another. And the D-League isn't purgatory anymore. Gatorade is the title sponsor. Call-ups are at an all-time high. Salaries are increasing. There's legitimate opportunity here now. basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242860/d-league-increases-salaries-for-16-17-seasonI just don't see the opportunity at Georgetown anymore for him beyond a degree that he may or may not use at some point and will always be available to be gotten in the future if he really wants it. I enjoy watching him play but coming back is just not the right decision imo.
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 16, 2017 16:48:56 GMT -5
Yes. LJ's a pro. ...Wait, LJ wasn't on any All-Big East teams? Pryor was honorable mention? Hm.
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