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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 14, 2017 3:50:05 GMT -5
This is very significant, more significant than any other transfers in a different way, and I think this can be analyzed in two ways.
1. just like POD mentioned when Tremont decided to decommit from this program, this may mean that JT3 is indeed intent on leaving the program and everyone in the program is aware of that, but the administration is keeping it sealed to the public at this point for some unknown reason. If the coach is indeed intent on leaving, all the transfers/de-commit make more sense
2. If JT3 is staying and Trey is leaving, it might mean that maybe the legacy and the grip of Thompsons around the program may not be so tight; a lot of JT3 supporters mentioned that the strong alumni network as a key reason of retaining JT3 as a coach, as if we do fire JT3, all the famous alumni will stop associating with this program. but when Trey, who is the son of one of the most influential alumnus, Zo, is intent in removing himself from this program, we may be able to salvage most of the alumni network even if JT3 is replaced by another coach.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Mar 14, 2017 6:05:30 GMT -5
There definitely has been a shift in the way the alumni network talks about the program and here I mean those who attend games, Hoop Club events, and remain engaged in other ways. When the season began, they defended the coach even if they thought the results were unacceptable. As the unacceptable level of play continued, they called for change in the program. By season's end, it became clear that many supported a coaching change. They still care about the Thompson legacy, and it is striking to me that they care more about the school and its legacy than the Thompsons personally.
So I have been someone who was conservative about retaining JT3 in part because of this alumni network. But it has become clear to me that this network still can remain engaged without a Thompson at its head. It has a life of its own. And I would expect that the players who have shown public support for JT3 -- JG, Roy, Otto, Chris Wright, Jason Clark, etc -- would remain in the fold simply because they understand the nature of the basketball business and the consequences of poor performance.
It has been my hope that they can convince JT3 to resign. If he doesn't, then Jack -- a guy who will stick with his people through rough times -- is being presented with an interesting choice between his best paid employee and a highly visible and effective board member.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 14, 2017 7:32:38 GMT -5
They still care about the Thompson legacy, and it is striking to me that they care more about the school and its legacy than the Thompsons personally. I can't believe that any GU alum, other than a handful of former basketball players, would think otherwise.
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Post by practice on Mar 14, 2017 9:24:07 GMT -5
There definitely has been a shift in the way the alumni network talks about the program and here I mean those who attend games, Hoop Club events, and remain engaged in other ways. When the season began, they defended the coach even if they thought the results were unacceptable. As the unacceptable level of play continued, they called for change in the program. By season's end, it became clear that many supported a coaching change. They still care about the Thompson legacy, and it is striking to me that they care more about the school and its legacy than the Thompsons personally. So I have been someone who was conservative about retaining JT3 in part because of this alumni network. But it has become clear to me that this network still can remain engaged without a Thompson at its head. It has a life of its own. And I would expect that the players who have shown public support for JT3 -- JG, Roy, Otto, Chris Wright, Jason Clark, etc -- would remain in the fold simply because they understand the nature of the basketball business and the consequences of poor performance. It has been my hope that they can convince JT3 to resign. If he doesn't, then Jack -- a guy who will stick with his people through rough times -- is being presented with an interesting choice between his best paid employee and a highly visible and effective board member. I agree ... I've seen a sea change over the course of the season with alumni at the games and other "super" fans that I interact with. Many were optimistic over the summer and heading into the summer -- and, perhaps irrationally Trey was part of the excitement based on his Kenner play. Then the losses mounted and the style of play looked like the same old same old. I understand JT3's former players rallying around him. That's not surprising. In terms of AI, he was interviewed at the Big East tournament and was probably with the Thompsons or had seen JT2. I don't see many other JT2 players rallying around JT3. In fact, I've had the chance to interact with a number of players from the late 70s and early 80s over the last couple of months and they are anything but complimentary of the current Georgetown teams. As I've mentioned before, almost without fail they cite a lack of toughness as the #1 failing of the JT3 teams. They attribute some to coaching but much of it to recruiting ... they indicate that Georgetown no longer recruits the urban kids from public high schools who the program was built on during the Hoya Paranoia days. Frankly I'm not sure those kids exist today -- basically AAU and private schools identify most kids with talent by the 8th grade and they are brought into a system other than the public schools ... but that's the take that I hear from the former players, again none of who played for JT3.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 14, 2017 9:32:37 GMT -5
They still care about the Thompson legacy, and it is striking to me that they care more about the school and its legacy than the Thompsons personally. I can't believe that any GU alum, other than a handful of former basketball players, would think otherwise. Amen. Georgetown was founded in 1789; it only seems like the program has struggled that long...
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Post by joey0403p on Mar 14, 2017 14:42:16 GMT -5
Is it possible he isn't leaving?
Surprised given it leaked there hasn't been anything communicated by the morning family.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 14, 2017 15:31:28 GMT -5
Is it possible he isn't leaving? Surprised given it leaked there hasn't been anything communicated by the morning family. I was thinking the same thing. It has remain unconfirmed for quite some time now.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 14, 2017 15:39:49 GMT -5
Has there been any source other than Brandy L. Simms? I'm not saying he doesn't have sources, but I'm not familiar with his reporting work.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 14, 2017 15:41:12 GMT -5
If you really want to speculate, there is enough swirling where Trey might be in line for a very large increase in minutes. So he might be holding off.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 14, 2017 15:43:29 GMT -5
Has there been any source other than Brandy L. Simms? I'm not saying he doesn't have sources, but I'm not familiar with his reporting work. Never even heard of Brandy L. Simms. Related to Hank?
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 14, 2017 15:45:57 GMT -5
Has there been any source other than Brandy L. Simms? I'm not saying he doesn't have sources, but I'm not familiar with his reporting work. Never even heard of Brandy L. Simms. Related to Hank? Don't know. But a tweet from Brandy L. Simms is the only source in the casualhoya piece about Trey leaving. And all other mentions I've seen out there lead back to either that casualhoya post or directly to Brandy L. Simms tweet. So...
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Post by trillesthoya on Mar 14, 2017 15:49:44 GMT -5
Never even heard of Brandy L. Simms. Related to Hank? Don't know. But a tweet from Brandy L. Simms is the only source in the casualhoya piece about Trey leaving. And all other mentions I've seen out there lead back to either that casualhoya post or directly to Brandy L. Simms tweet. So... Blueandgray has personal knowledge of the team, and he seemed to confirm it by saying that he believes there will be other transfers as well.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 14, 2017 16:22:43 GMT -5
Not sure he was confirming Trey, as much as acknowledging there are others considering leaving.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 14, 2017 16:45:11 GMT -5
If Trey weren't leaving wouldn't he and his family want to quash a false rumor? Why leave it out there?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 14, 2017 17:24:19 GMT -5
Never even heard of Brandy L. Simms. Related to Hank? Don't know. But a tweet from Brandy L. Simms is the only source in the casualhoya piece about Trey leaving. And all other mentions I've seen out there lead back to either that casualhoya post or directly to Brandy L. Simms tweet. So... Michael Graham made a reference to the possibility a few days ago on Facebook, but it was nothing definitive.
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Post by IDenj on Mar 14, 2017 17:33:48 GMT -5
Pretty sure Ron confirmed he is gonzo.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 14, 2017 17:40:52 GMT -5
Pretty sure Ron confirmed he is gonzo. Maybe I am missing something, but Ron who?
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Post by prhoya on Mar 14, 2017 17:55:34 GMT -5
Pretty sure Ron confirmed he is gonzo. Maybe I am missing something, but Ron who? HR
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Post by joey0403p on Mar 14, 2017 17:56:19 GMT -5
Assume that's Ron Thompson
I assume he is gone because if he weren't he would have come out and said so. If he is waiting to announce for some reason, that makes more sense why it's been quiet.
BUT given its been os quiet? Maybe jt iii or others talked him out of it? Who knows.
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Post by tullamore2 on Mar 14, 2017 17:58:34 GMT -5
Assume that's Ron Thompson I assume he is gone because if he weren't he would have come out and said so. If he is waiting to announce for some reason, that makes more sense why it's been quiet. BUT given its been os quiet? Maybe jt iii or others talked him out of it? Who knows. Never assume......Bailey not Thompson.
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