GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 23, 2017 22:52:00 GMT -5
Not going to lie, I really want them to win and have a chance Tuesday to pull off an upset and make the NIT (which I think they would at potentially 17-16). This team needs a postseason regardless of what happens this offseason. Why does this team need a NIT postseason? What is the benefit? To play in a tournament scenario. Because the conference champs who lose their tournaments make it, we could play exactly the type of team that beats us every single time and they won't be mailing it in. I'd rather these guys get that experience than not. The Hoyas are in full rebuild. I know it's tough to say but they are. You have to start somewhere and the NIT is better than a losing season.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 23, 2017 23:05:19 GMT -5
Why does this team need a NIT postseason? What is the benefit? To play in a tournament scenario. Because the conference champs who lose their tournaments make it, we could play exactly the type of team that beats us every single time and they won't be mailing it in. I'd rather these guys get that experience than not. The Hoyas are in full rebuild. I know it's tough to say but they are. You have to start somewhere and the NIT is better than a losing season. Can't say it's a rebuild until you have a builder to build it. It's a downward spiral until that is corrected.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 24, 2017 7:35:40 GMT -5
Why does this team need a NIT postseason? What is the benefit? To play in a tournament scenario. Because the conference champs who lose their tournaments make it, we could play exactly the type of team that beats us every single time and they won't be mailing it in. I'd rather these guys get that experience than not. The Hoyas are in full rebuild. I know it's tough to say but they are. You have to start somewhere and the NIT is better than a losing season. Why. Practice we're talking about practice. On a more serious note, for the ten or so fans who still care, is this game on anywhere else but the Yes network, that I don't get in CT? Are they forcing me to go to the Garden twice in 5 days.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 24, 2017 7:38:40 GMT -5
To play in a tournament scenario. Because the conference champs who lose their tournaments make it, we could play exactly the type of team that beats us every single time and they won't be mailing it in. I'd rather these guys get that experience than not. The Hoyas are in full rebuild. I know it's tough to say but they are. You have to start somewhere and the NIT is better than a losing season. Why. Practice we're talking about practice. On a more serious note, for the ten or so fans who still care, is this game on anywhere else but the Yes network, that I don't get in CT? Are they forcing me to go to the Garden twice in 5 days. It's on FS1.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 24, 2017 8:38:00 GMT -5
A win tomorrow would help correct a small part of the harm from Tuesday. In that respect, it is a big game, and I really hope the Hoyas get it done.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 24, 2017 8:44:19 GMT -5
A win tomorrow would help correct a small part of the harm from Tuesday. In that respect, it is a big game, and I really hope the Hoyas get it done. I don't agree on that one. Tuesday isn't going away nor is the stink of the past two seasons. Even if we win out people are going to second guess the coach and rightfully so. Until the horn sounds in MSG at the BET and we are behind, this team has enough talent that I'll still fool myself into thinking we can pull it off. I am clearly a sucker.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 24, 2017 9:21:41 GMT -5
The loss to DePaul is not going away- I agree. But each win going forward helps at least a tiny bit, and I will take that.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 24, 2017 10:04:23 GMT -5
Why. Practice we're talking about practice. On a more serious note, for the ten or so fans who still care, is this game on anywhere else but the Yes network, that I don't get in CT? Are they forcing me to go to the Garden twice in 5 days. It's on FS1. Not in my area.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 24, 2017 15:48:37 GMT -5
Its race week in Daytona, The Nascar channel needs to get eyes on the the screen. I think the Woman are on FS1 on sunday sadly not the men.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 24, 2017 16:14:48 GMT -5
Its race week in Daytona, The Nascar channel needs to get eyes on the the screen. I think the Woman are on FS1 on sunday sadly not the men. The Hoya behind the wheel better win then.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Feb 24, 2017 16:34:03 GMT -5
32 years ago this was the biggest game in College Basketball. I turned down $500 for my $5 student courtside seat.
Makes me feel very sad and very old.
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 24, 2017 17:47:14 GMT -5
Not going to lie, I really want them to win and have a chance Tuesday to pull off an upset and make the NIT (which I think they would at potentially 17-16). This team needs a postseason regardless of what happens this offseason. Why does this team need a NIT postseason? What is the benefit? I've thought a lot about this and I think the benefits of missing are way greater than making the NIT. Before the Depaul game I thought there was 0 chance JTIII got fired. After that black eye I think the chances still aren't high but they are greater than 0. If we make the NIT that goes back to 0. Also if we make the NIT say we lose early that's does us no good. If we go deep say to MSG it gets us good exposure but it also gets LJ more exposure which makes it more likely he leaves which would be brutal for next year not that I would blame him. This team has shown that more practice is bad so that's not a good reason. I'm sure some fans want to see us win all games possible which would be me any other year but I'm thinking big picture right now.
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KHoyaNYC
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 24, 2017 17:58:48 GMT -5
To play in a tournament scenario. Because the conference champs who lose their tournaments make it, we could play exactly the type of team that beats us every single time and they won't be mailing it in. I'd rather these guys get that experience than not. The Hoyas are in full rebuild. I know it's tough to say but they are. You have to start somewhere and the NIT is better than a losing season. Why. Practice we're talking about practice. On a more serious note, for the ten or so fans who still care, is this game on anywhere else but the Yes network, that I don't get in CT? Are they forcing me to go to the Garden twice in 5 days. Yeah I agree, I don't find rebuilding from the NIT vs a losing season materially different enough to matter. At some point it's better to just pull the plug and start the rebuild fresh next season.
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bamahoya11
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Post by bamahoya11 on Feb 24, 2017 18:05:25 GMT -5
Its race week in Daytona, The Nascar channel needs to get eyes on the the screen. I think the Woman are on FS1 on sunday sadly not the men. The Hoya behind the wheel better win then. That would be about as likely as DePaul beating Georgetown on its home floor. Oh wait... Seriously, though, Brendan Gaughan won't win Sunday but he did an incredible job of making the field on speed last Sunday in a brand new, seriously under funded team. Will be pulling for him to have a good run.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 24, 2017 19:04:27 GMT -5
I think if we have another losing season this year JTIII is back next year and let's say we have 3rd losing season because under pressure, JTIII unsurprisingly chokes. Now we have a senior class the following year that has never seen a winning record. We're no longer mediocre, we are a losing basketball team.
And now we likely have no tie to our past glory on the bench if JTIII is gone after said third losing year. We have nobody on the team or on campus that even remembers grumbling about the NIT. We're just a dead program starting from zero.
He's not getting fired this year. And if that's the case, winning beats losing. I'm just trying to be realistic. I can't sign up for another losing season on the 1% chance III is gone. I want our guys to look at the season and say "If we work on x and y, we can make the tournament." Harder to convince yourself of that from 14-18 and losing 6 straight to finish.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 24, 2017 19:25:33 GMT -5
The loss to DePaul is not going away- I agree. But each win going forward helps at least a tiny bit, and I will take that. It depends on what your goals are for the remainder of the season. If you just want to build some quality wins for next season, then I agree. If you are still holding on to a glimmer of tourney chances, then I disagree....with our record the only trump card we had was "no bad losses". That's gone and now we need to win the BET to get in the NCAA tourney. That isn't happening this year.........next year? If Peak returns.........
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 24, 2017 20:27:26 GMT -5
Why don't some of you guys ask the players whether they would want to play in the NIT or just be done playing ball this year (and at least a couple of them possibly for good)?
The players want to play basketball. That is what matters. Not our blatherings.
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 24, 2017 20:45:58 GMT -5
Why don't some of you guys ask the players whether they would want to play in the NIT or just be done playing ball this year (and at least a couple of them possibly for good)? The players want to play basketball. That is what matters. Not our blatherings. This is simply not true. I am not going to argue it but not everyone on this team wants to play after the BET unless somehow they win it. In a bad underachieving season where there are a lot of struggles some players want it to be over. Isaac wanted it to be over so bad he ended it himself.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 24, 2017 20:53:27 GMT -5
Why don't some of you guys ask the players whether they would want to play in the NIT or just be done playing ball this year (and at least a couple of them possibly for good)? The players want to play basketball. That is what matters. Not our blatherings. This is simply not true. I am not going to argue it but not everyone on this team wants to play after the BET unless somehow they win it. In a bad underachieving season where there are a lot of struggles some players want it to be over. Isaac wanted it to be over so bad he ended it himself. Why else would you play in the NIT? To win it. We aren't winless, games could be won and you never know in ANY type of tournament. Clearly they'll be more hyped up if we make the NCAAs then the NIT but you play the games put in-front of you. Isaac was one of many players on the roster, they could have all ended it as well but they didn't quit. It has definitely been a struggle this season but I (and I'm sure others) expect our players to continue to fight in the face of adversity and try to rise above it. No one else (player, manger or coach) has quit on this team this year, so I'm not sure how 1 out of 15 is an example of the rest.
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 24, 2017 21:05:58 GMT -5
This is simply not true. I am not going to argue it but not everyone on this team wants to play after the BET unless somehow they win it. In a bad underachieving season where there are a lot of struggles some players want it to be over. Isaac wanted it to be over so bad he ended it himself. Why else would you play in the NIT? To win it. We aren't winless, games could be won and you never know in ANY type of tournament. Clearly they'll be more hyped up if we make the NCAAs then the NIT but you play the games put in-front of you. Isaac was one of many players on the roster, they could have all ended it as well but they didn't quit. It has definitely been a struggle this season but I (and I'm sure others) expect our players to continue to fight in the face of adversity and try to rise above it. No one else (player, manger or coach) has quit on this team this year, so I'm not sure how 1 out of 15 is an example of the rest. I just brought up Issac as an example to show how ubsurd it is to say all the players want to keep playing. I'm not saying others want to quit the team. I am also not saying they won't be playing in a gym a few days after the season is over. I do know not all of them want the hassle of playing in the current structure with the way things are going. It's hard being an athlete and student in season. On top of that they could go on Spring Break right away. I am not saying it's even most but I'm saying its more than none.
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