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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2017 9:03:47 GMT -5
Isn't it funny how a good pg can make a coach look a lot smarter than he is and his teammates look a lot better than they are. The Hoyas help defense was a lot better tonight. I know Watson was not playing tonight but none of their guards were able to get into the lane much tonight. That same effort especially on the boards can win games in the BE. This is a point guard's job. It's true. If I'm a coach a good true point guard surrounded with good players would help me keep my job. Why? Because your point guard's resume is very lengthy, and it's his/her job to make their teammates better. He should know just as much as the head coach out there on the court. He looks to his coach maybe for play calls, but controls the tempo of a game.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2017 9:05:09 GMT -5
Everyone notice the sense of "urgency" in JT3s sideline performance tonight? The announcers sure did. Gotta think he wanted this one real bad. He's always like this.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2017 9:06:10 GMT -5
This just looks like one of those nights for Creighton and some adjusting without their best player. I'll be interested to see if they can correct themselves over time without their star. Creighton looks totally lost. What do you think and NCAAT is going to do to them? Without your point guard it's pointless. Especially a point guard as good as Watson.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2017 9:07:19 GMT -5
Low turnout tonight for this one. Where are all the Hoya haters? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2017 9:09:32 GMT -5
Trey and Reggie get the garbage minutes. I will never understand.
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Post by beenaround on Jan 26, 2017 9:10:07 GMT -5
Attended the game (one of the few, from what I could see) and what a surprising treat it was. THree things stood out to me. 1. JTII actually showing some passion out there. 2. The Defense was so active. My God, I almost thought I was watching Hoya hoops from the 80s. 3. The passing/ ball movement on offense was outstanding. Saw more backdoor cuts than I've seen the whole year.
Good defense and passing? I will gladly take more of it.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 26, 2017 9:50:31 GMT -5
It's fair to make the point about the importance of a good pg, but it's more about that fact that it was that particular pg on that particular team at this time of the season. Watson was their best player and of course, the focus of the offense in many ways.
I say this to point out that I still dont think our problems are PG or even offense related. It's mostly defense. We've been in so many games late this year where, if we got stops in the last 5 minutes, we'd be 16-5.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 26, 2017 10:04:09 GMT -5
Isn't it funny how a good pg can make a coach look a lot smarter than he is and his teammates look a lot better than they are. The Hoyas help defense was a lot better tonight. I know Watson was not playing tonight but none of their guards were able to get into the lane much tonight. That same effort especially on the boards can win games in the BE. So that is what it is like to play defense against a team without a point guard who can beat his man off the dribble - sure makes playing D a lot easier! We all defended the Pick and Roll differently tonight. We were usually doubling the guard with the center, very aggressively. Then the rest of the D needed to rotate behind this to cut off the roll man in the lane. The bigs did a really good job of keeping the guard from quickly finding an open teammate in a dangerous position. I can't remember us using this PnR defensive approach in recent years. At most, we had the bigs hedging and recovering. Tonight the bigs were not looking to recover, they were sticking with the hard trap double team. It will be interesting to see if we try this more moving forward. I hope we do try it again. I am sure it worked better against a team like Creighton, but perhaps it is an easier defenseto execute and keeps everyone engaged. Whatever the case may be, we should at least try it again and find out.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 26, 2017 10:08:03 GMT -5
It's fair to make the point about the importance of a good pg, but it's more about that fact that it was that particular pg on that particular team at this time of the season. Watson was their best player and of course, the focus of the offense in many ways. I say this to point out that I still dont think our problems are PG or even offense related. It's mostly defense. We've been in so many games late this year where, if we got stops in the last 5 minutes, we'd be 16-5. Also, I think there was a stat from a few years ago that when the Hoyas score 69 they had an overwhelmingly good record. This year we have already lost 6 games scoring that amount. Some of it is explained by the faster pace we play now, however, I think more of it is explained by the defense and Foul/FT disparity (which I consider a byproduct of poor defense).
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 26, 2017 11:21:46 GMT -5
After the start we have had to the Big East season, this was a welcome change, and probably our most complete game all season. The offense was strong, with quick movements leading to some good shots. Peak, Pryor, and Govan were good, though we received plenty of contributions from others, as well. To me, the defense looked stronger than it had all season. Now, the lack of a player like Watson surely helped, but even still, I think our defense was very strong compared to recent games. And, on top of all that, Creighton played terribly.
Most of all, I think this game showed that our guys are still putting in a huge effort and trying to win every game. Plus, for those who say JT3 has no emotion, he was clearly animated and very much into the game. More than all of us, I am sure the win was much needed among the staff and players.
Despite all the good from last night, we are still 2-6 in the Big East and in quite a hole. Really, all we can do at this point is take it one game at a time, and try to string some together. We need quite a few more and we need to win some games we are likely to lose to even think about the NCAAs. For now, let's look to Butler and get a win on Saturday and then worry about the rest.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 26, 2017 12:24:23 GMT -5
Trey and Reggie get the garbage minutes. I will never understand. Clearly the lineup that was used last night was successful. Mulmore over Mosley, Hayes starts then liberal substitution by Govan, Johnson only in when for defense, Mosley in for breathers and extra ball handling, Agau in for Derrickson when rebounding or muscle is needed, Trey and Reggie sit unless foul trouble calls, Peak and Pryor only come out for limited rest. If that is a winning combination then so be it.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2017 12:29:22 GMT -5
Clearly the lineup that was used last night was successful. Mulmore over Mosley, Hayes starts then liberal substitution by Govan, Johnson only in when for defense, Mosley in for breathers and extra ball handling, Agau in for Derrickson when rebounding or muscle is needed, Trey and Reggie sit unless foul trouble calls, Peak and Pryor only come out for limited rest. If that is a winning combination then so be it. NOT JUST THIS GAME!!! There was a period when the Hoyas couldn't score and had missed four layups. Hayes missed a super easy lay up right in front of the basket. Agau missed back to back lay ups. We had players on the bench at these particular times that could've substituted. This so called winning combination you wrote is very inconsistent!!! yes, we won though!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2017 12:30:37 GMT -5
Attended the game (one of the few, from what I could see) and what a surprising treat it was. THree things stood out to me. 1. JTII actually showing some passion out there. 2. The Defense was so active. My God, I almost thought I was watching Hoya hoops from the 80s. 3. The passing/ ball movement on offense was outstanding. Saw more backdoor cuts than I've seen the whole year. Good defense and passing? I will gladly take more of it. look don't forget Watson wasn't out there makes a hellafied difference!!! but good showing Hoyas!
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 26, 2017 13:08:34 GMT -5
Clearly the lineup that was used last night was successful. Mulmore over Mosley, Hayes starts then liberal substitution by Govan, Johnson only in when for defense, Mosley in for breathers and extra ball handling, Agau in for Derrickson when rebounding or muscle is needed, Trey and Reggie sit unless foul trouble calls, Peak and Pryor only come out for limited rest. If that is a winning combination then so be it. NOT JUST THIS GAME!!! There was a period when the Hoyas couldn't score and had missed four layups. Hayes missed a super easy lay up right in front of the basket. Agau missed back to back lay ups. We had players on the bench at these particular times that could've substituted. This so called winning combination you wrote is very inconsistent!!! yes, we won though! Agreed, but inconsistency has been this team's signature all year. All those missed layups were amazing but the lineups never lost energy or defensive hustle. If it worked against Creighton then you have to try to recreate it against Butler and hope for the best.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2017 14:45:27 GMT -5
NOT JUST THIS GAME!!! There was a period when the Hoyas couldn't score and had missed four layups. Hayes missed a super easy lay up right in front of the basket. Agau missed back to back lay ups. We had players on the bench at these particular times that could've substituted. This so called winning combination you wrote is very inconsistent!!! yes, we won though! Agreed, but inconsistency has been this team's signature all year. All those missed layups were amazing but the lineups never lost energy or defensive hustle. If it worked against Creighton then you have to try to recreate it against Butler and hope for the best. I've said the Hoyas play has been inconsistent due to guard play all season. Last season as well. Yes, recreate this against Butler, but remember the Bulldogs have a couple of nice point guards!!!
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 26, 2017 17:57:57 GMT -5
I was too depressed and down to post this after the Xavier game, which I attended with a fair number of Hoyas including many notable members of this board, but I was struck by the intensity of the defensive drills during the pre-game practice and even during the shoot around. Didn't work out in that game, but they certainly looked committed to fixing it.
PS Cincinnati was a great town. Xavier's arena is incredible.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 26, 2017 18:25:58 GMT -5
The focus all year has been the need for a pg and I do not deny that is a major need. However, I think that just as big a problem has been the play of the 4 bigs throughout the year. Hayes seems like a great kid and a willing leader, but his play has regressed significantly since last year. His sudden inability to hit the short hook or his FTs is hurting this team whenever he is on the floor. His lack of mobility leads to fouls on the defensive end when the perimeter defense breaks down. His use by the coach to go out top and set high screens is ineffective when other teams' bigs lay off and dare our inconsistent shooters to take contested 3s as the other teams' perimeter players fight through the screens. It's not working because Hayes can neither shoot nor rebound from that distance. Similarly, Agau is another player who cannot finish around the basket and often takes ill-advised shots. He can defend but needs to make certain that the ball keeps moving when it comes in to him, instead of lowering his head and trying to back in or drive in to the basket. His rebounding is good and his energy, though often unfocused, is very positive. Govan is the key. He can score. He can rebound when focused and he can defend some, though still hurt by his lack of mobility. When Govan is on and into the game, he absolutely has to be getting the most minutes. When not, we have little offense in the post and limited defense.
At the risk of being an unbridled optimist, if 2 of the 3 bigs are playing to their best, it is a key to success and we can beat any team. When not, we can lose to anyone.
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Post by McBricks on Jan 27, 2017 13:39:49 GMT -5
I was too depressed and down to post this after the Xavier game, which I attended with a fair number of Hoyas including many notable members of this board, but I was struck by the intensity of the defensive drills during the pre-game practice and even during the shoot around. Didn't work out in that game, but they certainly looked committed to fixing it. PS Cincinnati was a great town. Xavier's arena is incredible. I had forgotten about warm ups. Bridge is absolutely correct. There was some real intensity pre-game and they were working hard. It was really good to see. And Cincinnati. Wow. Such a great town. Amazing bars and restaurants. The OTR section of town was a blast. I'd highly recommend it to anyone that hasn't been lately.
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Post by guru on Jan 27, 2017 14:30:54 GMT -5
I was too depressed and down to post this after the Xavier game, which I attended with a fair number of Hoyas including many notable members of this board, but I was struck by the intensity of the defensive drills during the pre-game practice and even during the shoot around. Didn't work out in that game, but they certainly looked committed to fixing it. PS Cincinnati was a great town. Xavier's arena is incredible. I had forgotten about warm ups. Bridge is absolutely correct. There was some real intensity pre-game and they were working hard. It was really good to see. And Cincinnati. Wow. Such a great town. Amazing bars and restaurants. The OTR section of town was a blast. I'd highly recommend it to anyone that hasn't been lately. I have never ever heard such high praise of Cincinnati! Are you guys punking HoyaTalk? I've never been, but if you're serious I may put it on my list of away venues. All I know about Cincy is their chili stinks.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Jan 28, 2017 17:08:47 GMT -5
Chiming back in to say that it was good to see a Hoya win over a ranked oppo, even without their star. Sometimes in life, it's the little things.
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