SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 19, 2023 15:16:05 GMT -5
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Post by xpathoya on Dec 19, 2023 15:50:16 GMT -5
Would it be way too much to ask for for the Post maybe to report on whether Healy Hall had any heads up on this? Then maybe ask-what is your plan? After the laughter subsides…ask if there is a plan to have a plan? Calling Georgetown “Healy Hall” like we refer to the President as the “White House” or United States as “Washington” may be my new favorite thing 😂😂 On a slightly tangential note maybe Healy Hall deserves to be called the Puzzle Palace.
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Post by thebin on Dec 20, 2023 8:45:02 GMT -5
I must admit if anything this article makes me more sure the area is in real trouble. I see meritless confidence here in a rapidly declining situation. Its not going to get bad when the nhl and nba are long gone- its going to be a funereal atmosphere for the duration of the move. Which will start…in like 2 years? The rot is just going to get really bad way before we have a chance to arrest it. I am not overwhelmed with confidence that GU/DC are going to succeed where the nba/nhl failed. I am of the opinion any GU plan that starts with Converting a Hypothetically gifted MCI Arena as the priority instead of Emergency McD Renovation is a mistake.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 20, 2023 8:48:49 GMT -5
I must admit if anything this article makes me more sure the area is in real trouble. I see meritless confidence here in a rapidly declining situation. Its not going to get bad when the nhl and nba are long gone- its going to be a funereal atmosphere for the duration of the move. Which will start…in like 2 years? The rot is just going to get really bad way before we have a chance to arrest it. I am not overwhelmed with confidence that GU/DC are going to succeed where the nba/nhl failed. That’s will be Muriel Bowsers folly and legacy if she lets the caps and wizards leave the city. I dunno how she even let this happen.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Dec 20, 2023 8:50:44 GMT -5
If we are counting on the DC city government to save us we will get what we deserve.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 20, 2023 9:12:15 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Dec 20, 2023 9:23:24 GMT -5
I must admit if anything this article makes me more sure the area is in real trouble. I see meritless confidence here in a rapidly declining situation. Its not going to get bad when the nhl and nba are long gone- its going to be a funereal atmosphere for the duration of the move. Which will start…in like 2 years? The rot is just going to get really bad way before we have a chance to arrest it. I am not overwhelmed with confidence that GU/DC are going to succeed where the nba/nhl failed. I am of the opinion any GU plan that starts with Converting a Hypothetically gifted MCI Arena as the priority instead of Emergency McD Renovation is a mistake. How does the retrofit of the CapOne even work? JT3 mentioned the capacity change from 20K to 11K, but what is the cost? How long does it take? Are there any other examples where it has worked?
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 20, 2023 9:35:46 GMT -5
I must admit if anything this article makes me more sure the area is in real trouble. I see meritless confidence here in a rapidly declining situation. Its not going to get bad when the nhl and nba are long gone- its going to be a funereal atmosphere for the duration of the move. Which will start…in like 2 years? The rot is just going to get really bad way before we have a chance to arrest it. I am not overwhelmed with confidence that GU/DC are going to succeed where the nba/nhl failed. I am of the opinion any GU plan that starts with Converting a Hypothetically gifted MCI Arena as the priority instead of Emergency McD Renovation is a mistake. How does the retrofit of the CapOne even work? JT3 mentioned the capacity change from 20K to 11K, but what is the cost? How long does it take? Are there any other examples where it has worked? Few examples but tends to reference stadia but the concept exists. This is an older article. We’ve got renovations today on arenas that seat over 19,000 and our clients are trying to get down to 17,000,” said Tim Romani, founder and CEO of Icon Venue Group. “Overall, there is a move to downsize capacity. It’s happening up top, but not in the lower bowl or in the P1 [top-tier] premium areas, because 70 to 80 percent of the ticket revenue still comes from the first 15 to 20 rows. There’s a real focus on making sure that those counts are right.” www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2017/01/16/In-Depth/Downsizing.aspx
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 20, 2023 9:37:46 GMT -5
Did DC pay for the new Potomac Yards Metro Station? That would be funny if they did. Suckers!
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 20, 2023 9:43:55 GMT -5
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Post by metaphor on Dec 20, 2023 13:25:46 GMT -5
I must admit if anything this article makes me more sure the area is in real trouble. I see meritless confidence here in a rapidly declining situation. Its not going to get bad when the nhl and nba are long gone- its going to be a funereal atmosphere for the duration of the move. Which will start…in like 2 years? The rot is just going to get really bad way before we have a chance to arrest it. I am not overwhelmed with confidence that GU/DC are going to succeed where the nba/nhl failed. I am of the opinion any GU plan that starts with Converting a Hypothetically gifted MCI Arena as the priority instead of Emergency McD Renovation is a mistake. How does the retrofit of the CapOne even work? JT3 mentioned the capacity change from 20K to 11K, but what is the cost? How long does it take? Are there any other examples where it has worked? The cost to renovate Nassau Coliseum in NY was about $130 to $160 million. Seating capacity dropped about 5000 depending on event. It was privately financed by the folks who own the Barclay Center in Brooklyn. nypost.com/2017/01/10/nassau-coliseum-seeks-to-recapture-its-former-glory-with-130m-renovation/
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 20, 2023 14:39:43 GMT -5
Would it be way too much to ask for for the Post maybe to report on whether Healy Hall had any heads up on this? Then maybe ask-what is your plan? After the laughter subsides…ask if there is a plan to have a plan? Calling Georgetown “Healy Hall” like we refer to the President as the “White House” or United States as “Washington” may be my new favorite thing 😂😂 I like "Healy 2" as my go-to metonym for the President's office. What would be cooler is "Hall of Cardinals," but not enough people have been in there to know what it is.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 20, 2023 14:47:32 GMT -5
It's even more complicated than that. WMATA is funded to some extent by every member of the Compact, which isn't just the state-level DMV entities but also the Feds and county-level jurisdictions like MoCo, PGC, and the relevant Virginia independent cities like Alexandria and Falls Church.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 21, 2023 10:40:11 GMT -5
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Post by drquigley on Dec 21, 2023 10:58:39 GMT -5
Northern Virginia is exploding with development. It needs Leonsis development plan like Custer needed more Indians. In a more sane and progressive society the area around Potomac Yards would become an eco-friendly public park. Not every piece of undeveloped land needs to be paved over and turned into a profit driven venue for billionaires.
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Post by seaweed on Dec 21, 2023 11:37:22 GMT -5
Northern Virginia is exploding with development. It needs Leonsis development plan like Custer needed more Indians. In a more sane and progressive society the area around Potomac Yards would become an eco-friendly public park. Not every piece of undeveloped land needs to be paved over and turned into a profit driven venue for billionaires. Heretic. Socialist. Commie.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 22, 2023 7:27:23 GMT -5
Last week, Ted Leonsis shocked the Washington region by announcing an agreement to uproot the Capitals and Wizards from their longtime home at Capital One Arena and relocate them to a new stadium in Potomac Yard. Though the deal is non-binding—and DC officials are still working to retain the teams—local business leaders, political figures, and sports fans have spent the past week dissecting the deal’s impact on sports fans and the city. In a statement, former DC Mayor Anthony Williams called it a “huge blow to our downtown recovery.” On ESPN’s “Pardon the Interruption,” former Washington Post sportswriter Michael Wilbon decried the move on behalf of Wizards fans: “What does that say to your fan base that has been loyal despite zero years of contention for that franchise for a championship?” Who—or what—is to blame for the apparently imminent departure of DC’s NBA and NHL teams from the nation’s capital? Here’s a look at the leading suspects: 1. Ted Leonsis: During the darkness of the Dan Snyder years, it was easy to view Leonsis as the antithesis of the loathsome sports owner who was destroying the local NFL franchise. Indeed, Leonsis never missed an opportunity to cultivate his image as a civic-minded sportsman who put his city above his bank account. As longtime local sportswriter Thom Loverro pointed out, Leonsis used his 2010 book, The Business of Happiness: 6 Secrets to Extraordinary Success in Work and Life, to extol former Caps and Wizards owner Abe Pollin—a man who built Capital One Arena with about $200 million of his own money, and at a time when local business leaders were reluctant to invest in downtown DC—while presenting himself as the champion of his benevolent legacy. www.washingtonian.com/2023/12/21/the-caps-and-wizards-are-leaving-dc-whos-to-blame/?fbclid=IwAR3p4cOprhivawUQwQcucCIJ4XIWHaFtRgHFBRdA09xka9K6sGjJDfPExvE
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 22, 2023 9:18:43 GMT -5
Once Ron Moten gets involved, you know an effort is doomed: dcist.com/story/23/12/21/petition-capitals-wizards-move-out-of-dc-dontmutedc-ron-moten/Northern Virginia is exploding with development. It needs Leonsis development plan like Custer needed more Indians. In a more sane and progressive society the area around Potomac Yards would become an eco-friendly public park. Not every piece of undeveloped land needs to be paved over and turned into a profit driven venue for billionaires. There are plenty of eco-friendly public parks in Arlington, including the remarkable Long Bridge Park just up the road (and two other nice parks, Four Mile Run and Simpson, within close proximity of Potomac Yard). If you're going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on heavy rail infrastructure, you need dense, intensive land use to justify and take advantage of it... especially when you're talking about an area with high pent-up demand for housing near said transit (and generally). Personally, I would much rather have the Potomac Yard redevelopment *without* all the Monumental stuff, one has to understand how Virginia and Alexandria are looking at it as the anchor tenant of a larger mixed-use build-out that accommodates a significant chunk of projected area population growth.
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Post by metaphor on Dec 22, 2023 13:03:24 GMT -5
It may be that the Potomac Yards arena does get built. But it is also very possible it does not. This is a $1.5 billion dollar public subsidy that is going to come from taxpayers. Sports owners and politicians always claim that these projects are not going to cost taxpayers more money. But it is subterfuge. In many cases the subsidy comes from property tax exemptions (in this case the land will be owned by the state so no property taxes), and taxes that are set to expire are extended, or new tax exempt bonds (federal subsidy and state), that will be paid back in the future by some form of revenue. Also, Virginia is using existing infrastructure bonds as well ($200 million). On top of all that, Metro and Northern Virginia legislators claim that Metro will need an additional $750 million in upgrades. If true, this will the biggest public subsidy for a single athletic facility in history (over $2 billion. If you are interested in learning more, Field of Schemes is a great source of information on this. www.fieldofschemes.com/2023/12/20/20738/virginia-legislator-warns-nats-wizards-arena-would-need-transit-upgrades-warring-economists-unite-to-call-project-stupid/Having said all that, even if Potomac Yards does not happen, and the Phone Booth is renovated to the tune of 600 million dollars, GU needs an alternative for 60 percent of their games, even if they start winning. This is because of the combination of an easy early schedule, bad dates and times for many games because of limited scheduling dates, and the number of games held over the xmas break when no students are around. I think if it is still possible to turn MCD into a 5 to 6 thousand seat Convocation Center then do it.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 22, 2023 16:50:36 GMT -5
Once Ron Moten gets involved, you know an effort is doomed: dcist.com/story/23/12/21/petition-capitals-wizards-move-out-of-dc-dontmutedc-ron-moten/Northern Virginia is exploding with development. It needs Leonsis development plan like Custer needed more Indians. In a more sane and progressive society the area around Potomac Yards would become an eco-friendly public park. Not every piece of undeveloped land needs to be paved over and turned into a profit driven venue for billionaires. There are plenty of eco-friendly public parks in Arlington, including the remarkable Long Bridge Park just up the road (and two other nice parks, Four Mile Run and Simpson, within close proximity of Potomac Yard). If you're going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on heavy rail infrastructure, you need dense, intensive land use to justify and take advantage of it... especially when you're talking about an area with high pent-up demand for housing near said transit (and generally). Personally, I would much rather have the Potomac Yard redevelopment *without* all the Monumental stuff, one has to understand how Virginia and Alexandria are looking at it as the anchor tenant of a larger mixed-use build-out that accommodates a significant chunk of projected area population growth. Great. If there are enough parks how about some affordable housing.
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