lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 4, 2017 18:58:09 GMT -5
only want young men who WANT to come to the hilltop yup
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jan 4, 2017 21:25:33 GMT -5
Didn't Pryor choose us over Kansas? It's not unheard of. Not saying it's going to happen either. First, Pryor was slow played by Kansas who was invloved with a bunch of transfers and unsigned seniors like Josh Jackson at the time. Secondly, Pryor is a 24 year old man who said when he committed to Georgetown (I'm paraphrasing) he knows the value of a Masters Degree from Georgetown. Cunliffe's an 18/19 year old kid who hasn't shown yet that high academics is a priority as Arizona State isn't Georgetown, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Berkley, or the Ivy's. It's not even in the same class academically as Villanova, UCLA, Southern Cal or Boston College. I went to high school on the west coast and Arizona State was known more as a party school in the late 90's turn of the century that was pretty easy to get into. So unless they have made a major change in their academics in the decade or so I'm unaware of you can't compare Pryor and Cunliffe circumstances. Based on Cunliffe's original commitment to Arizona State, academics wasn't the highest priority and academics is all this program has left to sell...
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 5, 2017 11:56:23 GMT -5
Didn't Pryor choose us over Kansas? It's not unheard of. Not saying it's going to happen either. First, Pryor was slow played by Kansas who was invloved with a bunch of transfers and unsigned seniors like Josh Jackson at the time. Secondly, Pryor is a 24 year old man who said when he committed to Georgetown (I'm paraphrasing) he knows the value of a Masters Degree from Georgetown. Cunliffe's an 18/19 year old kid who hasn't shown yet that high academics is a priority as Arizona State isn't Georgetown, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Berkley, or the Ivy's. It's not even in the same class academically as Villanova, UCLA, Southern Cal or Boston College. I went to high school on the west coast and Arizona State was known more as a party school in the late 90's turn of the century that was pretty easy to get into. So unless they have made a major change in their academics in the decade or so I'm unaware of you can't compare Pryor and Cunliffe circumstances. Based on Cunliffe's original commitment to Arizona State, academics wasn't the highest priority and academics is all this program has left to sell... So Robert Morris fits in where in your equation?
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 5, 2017 12:37:10 GMT -5
2 left plus Josh Jackson. so they have alot of spots left plus they are in on Kevin Knox who is a SF. Also if Duval goes there. I doubt Cunliff starts over Graham or Newman. I believe they are out of the Knox conversation as he's focused on Duke and Kentucky hence why Cunliffe was on campus for his visit. From everything I read, Cunliffe's being looked at the 3 (Josh Jackson replacement) to play alongside Newman and Graham. Where it becomes interesting is if they get Duval (which I doubt) and Graham returns for his senior year (which I expect). In that situation, Cunliffe would get squeezed. What about the Mykhailiuk kid? He's not a lock to go pro after the season.. Plus LeGerald Vick has played very well for them this season, he could make another leap as a Jr. There's a lot of comp @ Kansas at his spot..
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jan 5, 2017 12:55:06 GMT -5
First, Pryor was slow played by Kansas who was invloved with a bunch of transfers and unsigned seniors like Josh Jackson at the time. Secondly, Pryor is a 24 year old man who said when he committed to Georgetown (I'm paraphrasing) he knows the value of a Masters Degree from Georgetown. Cunliffe's an 18/19 year old kid who hasn't shown yet that high academics is a priority as Arizona State isn't Georgetown, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Berkley, or the Ivy's. It's not even in the same class academically as Villanova, UCLA, Southern Cal or Boston College. I went to high school on the west coast and Arizona State was known more as a party school in the late 90's turn of the century that was pretty easy to get into. So unless they have made a major change in their academics in the decade or so I'm unaware of you can't compare Pryor and Cunliffe circumstances. Based on Cunliffe's original commitment to Arizona State, academics wasn't the highest priority and academics is all this program has left to sell... So Robert Morris fits in where in your equation? Come on Rock...your better then this? Pryor had no options. He was a JUCO kid who barely played JUCO because of injuries. Pryor had to get in where he fit in. Where Cunliffe was top 50 nationally ranked prospect with whole lot of options. Definitely way more options then Pryor had.
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jan 5, 2017 13:11:14 GMT -5
I believe they are out of the Knox conversation as he's focused on Duke and Kentucky hence why Cunliffe was on campus for his visit. From everything I read, Cunliffe's being looked at the 3 (Josh Jackson replacement) to play alongside Newman and Graham. Where it becomes interesting is if they get Duval (which I doubt) and Graham returns for his senior year (which I expect). In that situation, Cunliffe would get squeezed. What about the Mykhailiuk kid? He's not a lock to go pro after the season.. Plus LeGerald Vick has played very well for them this season, he could make another leap as a Jr. There's a lot of comp @ Kansas at his spot.. All true points Etomic. But how do you think the Kansas staff who missed out on all their early choices in this class is selling the opportunity at Kansas to him? I doubt they are telling him the Mykhailiuk or Vick are clearly going to play ahead of you. Also Mykhailiuk will be a senior with a semester left when Cunliffe's allowed to play. So he comes off the bench for a semester. I doubt Cunliffe is looking at any of his options as a 1 semester pit stop. What he does have to consider is the possibility of being recruited over before he even steps on the court with an early signing of an elite 2018 wing ala Josh Jackson type.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 5, 2017 13:27:49 GMT -5
What about the Mykhailiuk kid? He's not a lock to go pro after the season.. Plus LeGerald Vick has played very well for them this season, he could make another leap as a Jr. There's a lot of comp @ Kansas at his spot.. All true points Etomic. But how do you think the Kansas staff who missed out on all their early choices in this class is selling the opportunity at Kansas to him? I doubt they are telling him the Mykhailiuk or Vick are clearly going to play ahead of you. Also Mykhailiuk will be a senior with a semester left when Cunliffe's allowed to play. So he comes off the bench for a semester. I doubt Cunliffe is looking at any of his options as a 1 semester pit stop. What he does have to consider is the possibility of being recruited over before he even steps on the court with an early signing of an elite 2018 wing ala Josh Jackson type. I'm not sure how the Kansas staff is positioning his recruitment but it would be a pretty big lie to tell the kid he's a lock to play as soon as he's eligible.. We haven't even mentioned 2017 guard recruit Marcus Garrett who's not a slouch either..
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jan 5, 2017 14:03:17 GMT -5
All true points Etomic. But how do you think the Kansas staff who missed out on all their early choices in this class is selling the opportunity at Kansas to him? I doubt they are telling him the Mykhailiuk or Vick are clearly going to play ahead of you. Also Mykhailiuk will be a senior with a semester left when Cunliffe's allowed to play. So he comes off the bench for a semester. I doubt Cunliffe is looking at any of his options as a 1 semester pit stop. What he does have to consider is the possibility of being recruited over before he even steps on the court with an early signing of an elite 2018 wing ala Josh Jackson type. I'm not sure how the Kansas staff is positioning his recruitment but it would be a pretty big lie to tell the kid he's a lock to play as soon as he's eligible..We haven't even mentioned 2017 guard recruit Marcus Garrett who's not a slouch either.. Welcome to High Major Division 1 Recruiting!
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 5, 2017 14:30:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure how the Kansas staff is positioning his recruitment but it would be a pretty big lie to tell the kid he's a lock to play as soon as he's eligible..We haven't even mentioned 2017 guard recruit Marcus Garrett who's not a slouch either.. Welcome to High Major Division 1 Recruiting! I'll be surprised if he doesn't pick Kansas but shame on him if goes there thinking anything is a given..
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Post by IDenj on Jan 5, 2017 15:14:02 GMT -5
Is he thinking he can go there for a semester, get seen and major minutes and jump pro? Is he liooking to be a one and done so to speak...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jan 5, 2017 15:34:00 GMT -5
Welcome to High Major Division 1 Recruiting! I'll be surprised if he doesn't pick Kansas but shame on him if goes there thinking anything is a given.. Every High Major Coach tells high major top ranked kids they are going to play. Look at Sasha Killeya-Jones (transfer alert) at Kentucky. You think Calipari told SKJ, I'm bringing you in to play 8 minutes a game and I'm going to recruit over you in your own class and the following class and SKJ who would play 20 plus minutes at almost any program not named Duke or Kentucky would be cool with that. Coaches never tell prospects especially high major prospects I'm bringing you in to sit at the end of the bench. I'm sure Self is no different in telling Cunliffe he's going to play if he goes there. I'm sure Self believes what he's telling Cunliffe during his visit is true that he will play. Of course he saying that to Cunliffe without ever coaching him at all so he has no idea of his work or practice habits or how he actually fits within the team's game plan offensively and defensively so that is Self's and every coaches "get out of jail card". Also the key word is play. Doesn't mean he is starting from day 1. The fact that he won't be eligible until mid December also allows Self to take starting immediately off the table as the team will have probably played 10 games before Cunliffe has a chance to step on the court. Another point that give D1 coaches like Self freedom from promises is the coach can't predict the future. Injuries, transfers, players struggling to adjust, and kids leaving school for professional basketball opportunities or personal reasons change any and all narratives. That's the point I was making when people on here especially the "The Insider" were saying that Paul White leaving was no big deal because he was only going to get 5 minutes a game. If Paul White was still on this team, you think he only gets 5 minutes a game. Back to Cunliffe and Kansas Coaching staff telling him he's absolutely going to play. I'm pretty sure that's the staffs plan today, since they offered him and brought him on a visit as mid year transfer but a lot can change in the next 11 months when Cunliffe becomes eligible. If being a guaranteed starter from Day 1 that he's eligible is the most important thing to Cunliffe, he can guarantee that by committing to hometown Seattle university.
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Post by s4hoyas on Jan 5, 2017 16:36:05 GMT -5
As Sergeant Schultz on Hogan's Heroes used to say, "I know NOTH...ing", but it strikes me as a bit odd that if he's a lock for Kansas,why he didn't commit during/immediately after the excitement of his visit (big crowd, wild last second victory, etc.)...he said he would decide in "no more than three days." He likely could have committed to us right away, but I'm wondering if the delay might be on Kansas' part...maybe they told him that they need a little more time to analyze the situation/watch more film/evaluate him before formally offering. By the way, does anyone know who the lady in the pictureThis is total speculation, but maybe they'll decide that its not a good fit or they are unsure and will just wait to see/take their chances (which are generally pretty good) that they can do as well or better down the line. By the way, does anyone know who the dark-haired, attractive lady is in the picture with him taken in the new IAC...hopefully, his mom.
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Post by s4hoyas on Jan 5, 2017 16:38:03 GMT -5
Excuse the type over...
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 5, 2017 16:48:01 GMT -5
I wonder how much does the Waters commit play into his decision to consider Georgetown. He is a top 50 pg that will set him up for many wide open 3's and alley-oop dunks. If LJ leaves with Pryor, he would be the guy that would be looked at to make up those points with the help of Waters.
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Post by s4hoyas on Jan 5, 2017 17:02:42 GMT -5
I think it would be a big advantage for us, as Waters is a top rated point guard who can get him the ball (as well as score himself), and is very likely a 3-4 year player due to size so there's stability there...Duval may well be one and done (IF they get him) and its unknown who else they may get at the point. Obviously, we will need to convince him that we will have the other top pieces to go along.
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Post by dense on Jan 5, 2017 19:40:32 GMT -5
Didn't Pryor choose us over Kansas? It's not unheard of. Not saying it's going to happen either. First, Pryor was slow played by Kansas who was invloved with a bunch of transfers and unsigned seniors like Josh Jackson at the time. Secondly, Pryor is a 24 year old man who said when he committed to Georgetown (I'm paraphrasing) he knows the value of a Masters Degree from Georgetown. Cunliffe's an 18/19 year old kid who hasn't shown yet that high academics is a priority as Arizona State isn't Georgetown, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Berkley, or the Ivy's. It's not even in the same class academically as Villanova, UCLA, Southern Cal or Boston College. I went to high school on the west coast and Arizona State was known more as a party school in the late 90's turn of the century that was pretty easy to get into. So unless they have made a major change in their academics in the decade or so I'm unaware of you can't compare Pryor and Cunliffe circumstances. Based on Cunliffe's original commitment to Arizona State, academics wasn't the highest priority and academics is all this program has left to sell... he states in his documentary. he did not go there to party, his picking Arizona St was strictly because he believed Hurley could get him to the NBA that was it. he felt a connection with him.
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Post by dense on Jan 5, 2017 19:42:41 GMT -5
As Sergeant Schultz on Hogan's Heroes used to say, "I know NOTH...ing", but it strikes me as a bit odd that if he's a lock for Kansas,why he didn't commit during/immediately after the excitement of his visit (big crowd, wild last second victory, etc.)...he said he would decide in "no more than three days." He likely could have committed to us right away, but I'm wondering if the delay might be on Kansas' part...maybe they told him that they need a little more time to analyze the situation/watch more film/evaluate him before formally offering. By the way, does anyone know who the lady in the pictureThis is total speculation, but maybe they'll decide that its not a good fit or they are unsure and will just wait to see/take their chances (which are generally pretty good) that they can do as well or better down the line. By the way, does anyone know who the dark-haired, attractive lady is in the picture with him taken in the new IAC...hopefully, his mom. thats his mom, but his 7 sisters. wait till you see the older ones. His older sister that probably will be on the US olympic 100 team is ridiculous.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Jan 5, 2017 19:57:49 GMT -5
I just wish this kid would announce already. I don't feel suspense. I just want to stop checking this thread and close this conversation. (No offense to fellow posters). For this recruitment, I feel that whatever happens is OK.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 5, 2017 20:33:44 GMT -5
So Robert Morris fits in where in your equation? Come on Rock...your better then this? Pryor had no options. He was a JUCO kid who barely played JUCO because of injuries. Pryor had to get in where he fit in. Where Cunliffe was top 50 nationally ranked prospect with whole lot of options. Definitely way more options then Pryor had. Right, so your argument is if his maturity at age 23/24 after having gone through all that adversity that he has the same maturity, the same exact values and the same outlook on life that he had in high school. Okay cool just trying to get it straight.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jan 5, 2017 22:53:40 GMT -5
Come on Rock...your better then this? Pryor had no options. He was a JUCO kid who barely played JUCO because of injuries. Pryor had to get in where he fit in. Where Cunliffe was top 50 nationally ranked prospect with whole lot of options. Definitely way more options then Pryor had. Right, so your argument is if his maturity at age 23/24 after having gone through all that adversity that he has the same maturity, the same exact values and the same outlook on life that he had in high school. Okay cool just trying to get it straight. I don't fully understand your response. I'm not sure if sarcasm is implied or not so in my best Lil Jon voice I ask you.....WHHHHHAAAAAAATTTT?
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