tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jan 2, 2017 12:59:08 GMT -5
Kid's got a nice looking stroke. Outside of that, I'm going with TTS.
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wnyhoya
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Post by wnyhoya on Jan 2, 2017 13:34:21 GMT -5
Have to imagine a decision will be coming soon so he can enroll for second semester wherever he decides. Anyone know when classes start?
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Jan 2, 2017 14:10:07 GMT -5
What top-40 recruit doesn't think they are the best? The kid averaged 9.5 points and 4.8 rebounds over his first ten games as a Freshman. He scored in double figures in five games and had a 23 point outburst. He hit 15 threes. Point production tailed off in his last few games when he was done with ASU. If Peak were to leave, he would be our best offensive player next year. Without P+P, we will struggle to score 50 points next season. Just taking a quick look at his game log---he had a 23pt/10reb/5ast game against The Citadel, and then he had two 14 point games against Kentucky and UNLV. However, he shot a combined 8-28 in those two games. Then he had two useless games against Purdue and SDSU, scoring a combined 8 points. One way to look at this is that he got frustrated by the role they were forcing him into. Another way to look at it is that he decided he was the best player on the team after the Citadel game so started taking a ton of shots---but after the high scoring but low efficiency games against UK and UNLV, Hurley criticized him, so he threw a fit, sleepwalked through two games, and then threw in the towel a full 10 games into his college basketball career. I think the fact that this kid is transferring not even half way into his Freshman season makes me more nervous than anything else, particularly in the context of his bouncing around in high school. Considering the sorry shape this team is in at the moment, perhaps he is worth the risk. But I don't know that JTIII has his father's ability/personality/stature to take a player like this and intimidate them into the straight and narrow.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 2, 2017 15:09:44 GMT -5
Agreed, who bounces after one semester? Highly suspect but facts & circumstances hopefully apply. I would prefer the 5th year route or a sophomore transfer who has given it a real shot and then decides to move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 19:22:29 GMT -5
Think we've spent a little too much time psychoanalyzing a kid none of us have ever met... The numbers he put up as a Frosh are very solid all things considering. Pretty close to what LJ did as a Frosh tbh...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 2, 2017 20:01:48 GMT -5
Agreed, who bounces after one semester? Highly suspect but facts & circumstances hopefully apply. I would prefer the 5th year route or a sophomore transfer who has given it a real shot and then decides to move on. It's not common, but this was addressed earlier, and it happens. Someone from my hometown (a fellow freshman) left Georgetown after one semester to be closer to home, and I knew of someone else who considered the same thing but ultimately stayed. If people can do it for reasons entirely unrelated to basketball, it's easy to see how it might happen. Granted, I don't think it's all that common in basketball. Keep in mind these are 17/18 year old kids, too. Oftentimes, a lot can change for someone between the time they commit in high school and when they decide to transfer. Again, I think this is one where you need to trust the staff who can actually sit down with the kid and talk to him, and also look into his background by talking to coaches, peers, etc.
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Post by Filo on Jan 2, 2017 22:49:46 GMT -5
What top-40 recruit doesn't think they are the best? The kid averaged 9.5 points and 4.8 rebounds over his first ten games as a Freshman. He scored in double figures in five games and had a 23 point outburst. He hit 15 threes. Point production tailed off in his last few games when he was done with ASU. If Peak were to leave, he would be our best offensive player next year. Without P+P, we will struggle to score 50 points next season. Just taking a quick look at his game log---he had a 23pt/10reb/5ast game against The Citadel, and then he had two 14 point games against Kentucky and UNLV. However, he shot a combined 8-28 in those two games. Then he had two useless games against Purdue and SDSU, scoring a combined 8 points. One way to look at this is that he got frustrated by the role they were forcing him into. Another way to look at it is that he decided he was the best player on the team after the Citadel game so started taking a ton of shots---but after the high scoring but low efficiency games against UK and UNLV, Hurley criticized him, so he threw a fit, sleepwalked through two games, and then threw in the towel a full 10 games into his college basketball career. I think the fact that this kid is transferring not even half way into his Freshman season makes me more nervous than anything else, particularly in the context of his bouncing around in high school. Considering the sorry shape this team is in at the moment, perhaps he is worth the risk. But I don't know that JTIII has his father's ability/personality/stature to take a player like this and intimidate them into the straight and narrow. I think another way it could have played out, and this is speculative but probably no moreso than your vignettes, is that he was going strong into the Citadel game, but then a demon entered his body. Slowly at first, the demon began eating away at the kid's mojo. Finally, it all came to a head after the 10th game or so. At that point, he asked Hurley for an exorcist but Hurley said no and the kid walked. Of course, this directly lead to Georgetown. Not sure if you saw the one photo of the kid on the exorcist steps but, to me, that's proof positive that my story is close to true.
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Jan 3, 2017 0:51:47 GMT -5
Agreed, who bounces after one semester? Highly suspect but facts & circumstances hopefully apply. I would prefer the 5th year route or a sophomore transfer who has given it a real shot and then decides to move on. It's not common, but this was addressed earlier, and it happens. Someone from my hometown (a fellow freshman) left Georgetown after one semester to be closer to home, and I knew of someone else who considered the same thing but ultimately stayed. If people can do it for reasons entirely unrelated to basketball, it's easy to see how it might happen. Granted, I don't think it's all that common in basketball. Keep in mind these are 17/18 year old kids, too. Oftentimes, a lot can change for someone between the time they commit in high school and when they decide to transfer. Again, I think this is one where you need to trust the staff who can actually sit down with the kid and talk to him, and also look into his background by talking to coaches, peers, etc. Cunliffe isn't transferring to be closer to home, unless he doesn't realize that Washington state and D.C. are different places. I'd say it's fairly certain this is a basketball related move, and while my speculation is as good (or bad) as anyone else's, its hard to deny that a transfer a month into his college career alongside 3 transfers in high school is a serious concern. Maybe it's a risk worth taking, but I don't think it should be taboo to point it out.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 3, 2017 10:00:42 GMT -5
Cunliffe isn't transferring to be closer to home, unless he doesn't realize that Washington state and D.C. are different places. I'd say it's fairly certain this is a basketball related move, and while my speculation is as good (or bad) as anyone else's, its hard to deny that a transfer a month into his college career alongside 3 transfers in high school is a serious concern. Maybe it's a risk worth taking, but I don't think it should be taboo to point it out. My point wasn't that Cunliffe was transferring for geographical reasons (though really I have no idea if that's a factor) but rather that a transfer so early isn't unheard of. Obviously, in Cunliffe's case it seems basketball driven. And there could be problems there given the previous high school transfers. That's something the staff needs to sort out.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 3, 2017 13:52:15 GMT -5
Cunliffe isn't transferring to be closer to home, unless he doesn't realize that Washington state and D.C. are different places. I'd say it's fairly certain this is a basketball related move, and while my speculation is as good (or bad) as anyone else's, its hard to deny that a transfer a month into his college career alongside 3 transfers in high school is a serious concern. Maybe it's a risk worth taking, but I don't think it should be taboo to point it out. My point wasn't that Cunliffe was transferring for geographical reasons (though really I have no idea if that's a factor) but rather that a transfer so early isn't unheard of. Obviously, in Cunliffe's case it seems basketball driven. And there could be problems there given the previous high school transfers. That's something the staff needs to sort out. Please cite other recent top 40 recruits who transferred in their first semester for reasons other than playing time or wanting to be closer to home. I'll hang up and listen. To me, this recruitment is a sign of desperate times = desperate measures.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 3, 2017 13:58:36 GMT -5
My point wasn't that Cunliffe was transferring for geographical reasons (though really I have no idea if that's a factor) but rather that a transfer so early isn't unheard of. Obviously, in Cunliffe's case it seems basketball driven. And there could be problems there given the previous high school transfers. That's something the staff needs to sort out. Please cite other recent top 40 recruits who transferred in their first semester for reasons other than playing time or wanting to be closer to home. I'll hang up and listen. To me, this recruitment is a sign of desperate times = desperate measures. Is this serious?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 14:09:33 GMT -5
Please cite other recent top 40 recruits who transferred in their first semester for reasons other than playing time or wanting to be closer to home. I'll hang up and listen. To me, this recruitment is a sign of desperate times = desperate measures. Is this serious? Kansas apparently equally desperate... You're going to need to surround Tremont with size, shooting and athleticism especially at the Wing/Guard spot. He'd be a good start and they could probably easily play off each other..
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lucky
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Post by lucky on Jan 3, 2017 14:12:21 GMT -5
Kansas should be desperate, they've already lost once this year!
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Post by Elvado on Jan 3, 2017 14:14:29 GMT -5
When does second semester start?
A week or so right? We will know soon enough.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jan 3, 2017 14:20:58 GMT -5
My point wasn't that Cunliffe was transferring for geographical reasons (though really I have no idea if that's a factor) but rather that a transfer so early isn't unheard of. Obviously, in Cunliffe's case it seems basketball driven. And there could be problems there given the previous high school transfers. That's something the staff needs to sort out. Please cite other recent top 40 recruits who transferred in their first semester for reasons other than playing time or wanting to be closer to home. I'll hang up and listen. To me, this recruitment is a sign of desperate times = desperate measures. Austin Grandstaff comes to mind, though I suppose that doesn't fit within your narrow parameters since he was RSCI 51 and he at least partially left due to playing time. Though to be fair playing time and playing out of position are pretty similar reasons to leave so I'm not sure why you're excluding that reason.
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Jan 3, 2017 14:38:51 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 3, 2017 15:16:23 GMT -5
Please cite other recent top 40 recruits who transferred in their first semester for reasons other than playing time or wanting to be closer to home. I'll hang up and listen. To me, this recruitment is a sign of desperate times = desperate measures. Is this serious? Gotta figure out some way to take a shot at the coach!
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jan 3, 2017 17:21:55 GMT -5
My post was in response to hoyaboya who wanted an example of "recent top 40 recruits who transferred in their first semester for reasons other than playing time or wanting to be closer to home". I gave Grandstaff as an imperfect example because as I stated he was rated 51 and he left because of playing time. My argument is that playing time is a similar issue to playing out of position, since minutes don't mean much if you're playing out of position.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Jan 3, 2017 20:56:07 GMT -5
This program definitely needs more gamers. Here's hoping.
Could a potential backcourt of Waters, Peak and Cunliffe work??
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Post by s4hoyas on Jan 3, 2017 23:28:28 GMT -5
Saw him behind the bench at the K-KSt game...on the game winning basket/running layup by K's player, he CLEARLY took three steps on his way to the winning layup...refs swallowed their whistles and Kansas stole the game...no doubt about it... I would imagine that it will be hard to beat out Kansas for the kid, unless he sees a much clearer need/opportunity here and there are other unknown factors (education, family in the area, etc.) that favor us. Here's hopin'...
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