eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Dec 29, 2016 22:58:42 GMT -5
Been waiting for that post. Long overdue and good for you centercourt. To expect this coach to win with this garbage is beyond me. This board is unreasonable to expect success when we have these players. Thanks for pointing that out as it needed to be said. Whoever is recruiting this mess should be fired, not coach. eagle54: DO NOT twist my post and my words to fit your ultra-negative agenda. It's fair game to criticize the performance of a player on any given night but I would never stoop to calling student athletes "garbage". If you want to insult them it is on your conscience but don't use me as a launching pad for your venom. I didn't twist anything just built on what you said. You want to continue to defend this program's direction than go ahead. I'll choose not to as it's been on a steady decline for too long and no one seems to care. It's not a rational thing to invest so much and have no accountability for what we are getting. I'll continue to be here to point that out as it's getting really ridiculous at this point that we are bottom feeders in this watered down league. Now St. John's looks for real so that leaves us and DePaul. They even looked more for real than the Hoyas in the big FS1 double header last night.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Dec 29, 2016 23:13:13 GMT -5
To Eagle: If you are so unhappy with being a Georgetown fan, then just stop being one. It's not that hard, I have done it (you're welcome, James Dolan).
All you do is post repetitive, out of context rants on this board, and make childish attempts at trolling on other boards that are laughed at. There are plenty of posters on this board who make reasoned, thoughtful arguments in criticism of the team and its coaching; you are just a skipping record with nothing of substance to offer. You are far worse at being a provocateur than JTII is at either recruiting or in-game coaching, so either up your game or disappear. Should you choose the latter, you wont be missed.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Dec 29, 2016 23:16:28 GMT -5
To Eagle: If you are so unhappy with being a Georgetown fan, then just stop being one. It's not that hard, I have done it (you're welcome, James Dolan). All you do is post repetitive, out of context rants on this board, and make childish attempts at trolling on other boards that are laughed at. There are plenty of posters on this board who make reasoned, thoughtful arguments in criticism of the team and its coaching; you are just a skipping record with nothing of substance to offer. You are far worse at being a provocateur than JTII is at either recruiting or in-game coaching, so either up your game or disappear. Should you choose the latter, you wont be missed. Oh, like when you posted on the Syracuse board. That went over well didn't it? Thanks for the advice I'll take it under advisement. Hoya Saxa - Hoyaholic.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Dec 29, 2016 23:39:38 GMT -5
To Eagle: If you are so unhappy with being a Georgetown fan, then just stop being one. It's not that hard, I have done it (you're welcome, James Dolan). All you do is post repetitive, out of context rants on this board, and make childish attempts at trolling on other boards that are laughed at. There are plenty of posters on this board who make reasoned, thoughtful arguments in criticism of the team and its coaching; you are just a skipping record with nothing of substance to offer. You are far worse at being a provocateur than JTII is at either recruiting or in-game coaching, so either up your game or disappear. Should you choose the latter, you wont be missed. Oh, like when you posted on the Syracuse board. That went over well didn't it? Thanks for the advice I'll take it under advisement. Hoya Saxa - Hoyaholic. Huh? I posted once on SyracuseFan to point out what a jack*** you are. I was a bit too late, as they had already figured it out, and were roundly, and rightfully clowning you. But you keep on doing what you do, pal!! I am sure you are whipping up a frenzy on the X boards already!!
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Dec 29, 2016 23:45:52 GMT -5
Oh, like when you posted on the Syracuse board. That went over well didn't it? Thanks for the advice I'll take it under advisement. Hoya Saxa - Hoyaholic. Huh? I posted once on SyracuseFan to point out what a jack*** you are. I was a bit too late, as they had already figured it out, and were roundly, and rightfully clowning you. But you keep on doing what you do, pal!! I am sure you are whipping up a frenzy on the X boards already!! Not how it went but nice try. They actually thought you were a jack*** as you say for coming on there as some ambassador. You looked like a giant d-bag but I'm sure you are used to that.
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Dec 30, 2016 0:27:08 GMT -5
Huh? I posted once on SyracuseFan to point out what a jack*** you are. I was a bit too late, as they had already figured it out, and were roundly, and rightfully clowning you. But you keep on doing what you do, pal!! I am sure you are whipping up a frenzy on the X boards already!! Not how it went but nice try. They actually thought you were a jack*** as you say for coming on there as some ambassador. You looked like a giant d-bag but I'm sure you are used to that. I'm rubber and you're glue! I know you are, but what am I?
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Dec 30, 2016 0:30:28 GMT -5
Not how it went but nice try. They actually thought you were a jack*** as you say for coming on there as some ambassador. You looked like a giant d-bag but I'm sure you are used to that. I'm rubber and you're glue! I know you are, but what am I? Our program lags and you ignore. You can't defend, but blame me?
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Dec 30, 2016 0:33:12 GMT -5
I'm rubber and you're glue! I know you are, but what am I? Our program lags and you ignore. You can't defend, but blame me? Have been one of the more vocal critics of the coach and program tbh. I just try to go about it in a more mature & deliberate way. I also want to be proven wrong by the team's success, and doubt you can say the same.
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Post by eagle54 on Dec 30, 2016 0:34:02 GMT -5
Our program lags and you ignore. You can't defend, but blame me? Have been one of the more vocal critics of the coach and program tbh. I just try to go about it in a more mature & deliberate way. I also want to be proven wrong by the team's success, and doubt you can say the same. Good for you.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 30, 2016 7:18:33 GMT -5
Folks giving JJs quote a lot of attention but IDK I think the bigger problem is we scored 66 and our best player appears to be injured.... Right- Hoyas lost this game on offense. No shock that they will not win if Peak is not a factor. Hope he returns to form soon.
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Post by smokeyjack on Dec 30, 2016 8:50:01 GMT -5
Folks giving JJs quote a lot of attention but IDK I think the bigger problem is we scored 66 and our best player appears to be injured.... Right- Hoyas lost this game on offense. No shock that they will not win if Peak is not a factor. Hope he returns to form soon. Not sure I agree with this statement in that I think this team loses on pretty much every front: sharing, finishing, rebounding, defensive attention to detail, toughness and grit, drive-and-kick facilitation. They have pretty much none of the above. They are built around a 5th-yr gunner looking to make his bones for draft stock who doesn't defend nor pass, a slasher who historically has trouble finishing at the rim and a couple of inconsistent bigs with admittedly sexy upsides in Govan and Derrickson. As usual under JT3, there is no vocal on-court leadership, no apparent PG and a lack of real grit. We were once Georgetown; now Marquette skid marks are calling us out for being lazy and soft. There is talent there no doubt, but is there leadership at any level? Is there the requisite nasty? I think our issues run far, far deeper than an off night from LJ.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 30, 2016 8:56:06 GMT -5
Right- Hoyas lost this game on offense. No shock that they will not win if Peak is not a factor. Hope he returns to form soon. Not sure I agree with this statement in that I think this team loses on pretty much every front: sharing, finishing, rebounding, defensive attention to detail, toughness and grit, drive-and-kick facilitation. They have pretty much none of the above. They are built around a 5th-yr gunner looking to make his bones for draft stock who doesn't defend nor pass, a slasher who historically has trouble finishing at the rim and a couple of inconsistent bigs with admittedly sexy upsides in Govan and Derrickson. As usual under JT3, there is no vocal on-court leadership, no apparent PG and a lack of real grit. We were once Georgetown; now Marquette skid marks are calling us out for being lazy and soft. There is talent there no doubt, but is there leadership at any level? Is there the requisite nasty? I think our issues run far, far deeper than an off night from LJ. Agree to disagree- I just do not see ANY of the institutional issues you are discussing. Plenty of teams under III have been tough. I agree that this one ought to work on getting tougher, but I think that is a matter of consistency rather than them just being "soft." Some nights they seem to compete like crazy and sometimes they do not have enough fight. To me, effort was not the issue the other night- it simply looked like the first conference road game for a team still trying to find itself. Big East trial by fire. Given the choice between some magical improvement in intangibles and a healthy LJ- on Saturday or anytime- I will take LJ and trust that the team will work out the rest. Without him, the Hoyas do not stand a chance.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Dec 30, 2016 9:11:36 GMT -5
The offense wasn't great but the defense was TERRIBLE. We looked exactly how the Marquette player called it - lazy.
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 30, 2016 10:09:38 GMT -5
The offense wasn't great but the defense was TERRIBLE. We looked exactly how the Marquette player called it - lazy. Not sure I agree with the "lazy" comment. From what I saw I will admit they looked a step slow in some cases, but it did not seem to be an effort issue as much as an execution/communication problem. Slow switches or simply two guys not communincating and ending up on the same player leaving someone else wide open The half court defense was not great, but not completely awful either. They did hold Marquette to under their season average for points and if you take out the easy transition points they gave them on the steals and turnovers then the defensive stats don't look awful. Does the defense need to be better, of course. Sometimes efficient offense is a huge help to your defense because it gives you a chance to set up your defense, either in the half court of set up your press.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Dec 30, 2016 10:27:11 GMT -5
The offense wasn't great but the defense was TERRIBLE. We looked exactly how the Marquette player called it - lazy. Not sure I agree with the "lazy" comment. From what I saw I will admit they looked a step slow in some cases, but it did not seem to be an effort issue as much as an execution/communication problem. Slow switches or simply two guys not communincating and ending up on the same player leaving someone else wide open The half court defense was not great, but not completely awful either. They did hold Marquette to under their season average for points and if you take out the easy transition points they gave them on the steals and turnovers then the defensive stats don't look awful. Does the defense need to be better, of course. Sometimes efficient offense is a huge help to your defense because it gives you a chance to set up your defense, either in the half court of set up your press. Yes, when I say looked lazy I didn't mean to imply they actually decided to play lazily. They just always seemed a step behind what Marquette was doing, with a lot of standing around due to communication/execution issues like you say. We have to correct those now.
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Post by vv83 on Dec 30, 2016 11:39:37 GMT -5
Not sure I agree with the "lazy" comment. From what I saw I will admit they looked a step slow in some cases, but it did not seem to be an effort issue as much as an execution/communication problem. Slow switches or simply two guys not communincating and ending up on the same player leaving someone else wide open The half court defense was not great, but not completely awful either. They did hold Marquette to under their season average for points and if you take out the easy transition points they gave them on the steals and turnovers then the defensive stats don't look awful. Does the defense need to be better, of course. Sometimes efficient offense is a huge help to your defense because it gives you a chance to set up your defense, either in the half court of set up your press. Yes, when I say looked lazy I didn't mean to imply they actually decided to play lazily. They just always seemed a step behind what Marquette was doing, with a lot of standing around due to communication/execution issues like you say. We have to correct those now. we have needed to correct those defensive communication issues since at least the start of last season. Hard to be optimistic we are going to successfully fix this problem any time soon.
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Post by guru on Dec 30, 2016 12:01:26 GMT -5
Not sure I agree with this statement in that I think this team loses on pretty much every front: sharing, finishing, rebounding, defensive attention to detail, toughness and grit, drive-and-kick facilitation. They have pretty much none of the above. They are built around a 5th-yr gunner looking to make his bones for draft stock who doesn't defend nor pass, a slasher who historically has trouble finishing at the rim and a couple of inconsistent bigs with admittedly sexy upsides in Govan and Derrickson. As usual under JT3, there is no vocal on-court leadership, no apparent PG and a lack of real grit. We were once Georgetown; now Marquette skid marks are calling us out for being lazy and soft. There is talent there no doubt, but is there leadership at any level? Is there the requisite nasty? I think our issues run far, far deeper than an off night from LJ. Agree to disagree- I just do not see ANY of the institutional issues you are discussing. Plenty of teams under III have been tough. I agree that this one ought to work on getting tougher, but I think that is a matter of consistency rather than them just being "soft." Some nights they seem to compete like crazy and sometimes they do not have enough fight. To me, effort was not the issue the other night- it simply looked like the first conference road game for a team still trying to find itself. Big East trial by fire. Given the choice between some magical improvement in intangibles and a healthy LJ- on Saturday or anytime- I will take LJ and trust that the team will work out the rest. Without him, the Hoyas do not stand a chance. I can't recall a single JT3 coached team that could be called "tough." Now they haven't all been as puppy poo soft as this group has been the past few seasons, but I don't remember any JT3 team that put any sort of fear in the opponent. It's the antithesis of what the program was at its height long ago, which makes it even more embarrassing to witness.
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Post by bicentennial on Dec 30, 2016 12:23:46 GMT -5
I don't think any of the first 5 years of JTIII a GU defense could be called soft. It is only since the no touching with the hand rules which are called only when fouls are committed on guards that we have had massive defensive problems. Now you need very fast guards who look like they might break in half when they take a charge to be good on defense. Our traditional rock solid guards are at a disadvantage in this new fouling schema. So are most 7 footers.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 30, 2016 14:01:13 GMT -5
Teams are molded and take on the personalities of their coaches. Son = puppy poo soft, Dad = rock hard. The defense, rebounding and overall intensity level bears this out.
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Post by dreamhoya on Dec 31, 2016 10:35:38 GMT -5
Teams are molded and take on the personalities of their coaches. Son = puppy poo soft, Dad = rock hard. The defense, rebounding and overall intensity level bears this out. You're pretty much right...unless you have "dawg" type leaders as players.
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