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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 29, 2016 13:00:07 GMT -5
The complete postgame quote from Jujuan Johnson: " We watched Georgetown on film and saw that they were lazy on defense and didn't really want to guard". What an embarrassing indictment of the program. We now even have opponents openly questioning our effort. He had best get flattened at some point during their visit to Verizon. or maybe guarded closely.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 29, 2016 13:07:22 GMT -5
That was my first thought as well. Although harassing him into an ofer might be a better response. Why not both? I like both - but have a concern that our team is not experienced enough on D to avoid making it so obvious that a suspension results.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 29, 2016 13:10:32 GMT -5
Many things to be concerned with but I am perplexed at JTIII's substitution patterns, especially at the guard positions. Javan Mosley is a freshmen pg and has played like it for most of the season. Tre Campbell is what he was three years ago, and that is less than a true pg. if you take away his occasional 3pt make(about one a game) what does he bring to the mix? He recruited Mulmore from JUCO as a stopgap measure for the loss of DSR. He has a lot of deficiencies but they are no where close to Campbell. He should start and live with his faults for the rest of the year until Waters gets here next year. Only take him out if he has foul trouble. Johnson has been a big disappointment also. I don't see any improvement from last year in his handle or shooting accuracy. I think Agau should start at the 5 position with Derrickson at the 4. Hayes and Govan were the objects of Johnson's comment on laziness on defense by Hoya players. Let Mourning get a few more minutes at the 5. He at least has 5 fouls to give.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 13:10:38 GMT -5
The quote is cute but the guy guarding him was Peak. Who here thinks LJ Peak doesn't want to guard you? Pryor? Mosely? Doc? Akoy?.... I hope they use it as a motivational tool but for the most part our problem has been more closing out possessions with a rebound than checking guys. Judging by that comment and the response you would think Marquette scored 100. We held them well below their season average and won the battle on the boards with our best player on both ends hurt.
It's a dik comment from a dik coach (I know Johnson said it but it's coming from Woj) but if I was 3 I would embrace it and use it to my benefit.
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Post by hoya95 on Dec 29, 2016 13:14:15 GMT -5
I shut it off at halftime, but did the Marquette player actually call us lazy on TV? That really happened? Not that I haven't said much worse things about the defense, but that's still mindboggling coming from a team that has to play us again. Did anyone bother to ask about it in the post-game press conference? I'd kind of like a reaction from someone. If that doesn't fire us up, then maybe we really don't have a pulse.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 29, 2016 13:19:27 GMT -5
That's silly. We just got an insight into how another team prepared for us, what they saw as one of our weaknesses and how they prepared to exploit it, yet you could care less? JJ's comments should be locker-room material for any team. Yes, and I think it would make fine locker-room material. But I don't think it's a meaningful statement otherwise. I am not going to judge our team based on what some college player says in a press conference. Clearly, our defense is bad and needs to improve a lot if we are going to do better. I still don't know that I would call the defense "lazy," but rather inept. Either way, it's not good and needs to improve. I just think it's funny that people are embracing what this guy said as proof that we are lazy. Seriously, if it was just a matter of putting in effort, that would be easily fixable. The fact that it's not easily fixed tells me it's more than that. I know rotations, being in the right place, etc. involves effort, but there's also a level of skill and instinct involved, and I don't think all of our guys have those instincts or skills. Lastly, I don't think you'd ever see a Georgetown player call another team out for "lazy" defense, even if they actually thought that because I think the staff instills a level of class in them.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 29, 2016 13:21:10 GMT -5
Obviously, I want our team to put in maximum effort, but I couldn't care less what Jujuan Johnson thinks. That's silly. We just got an insight into how another team prepared for us, what they saw as one of our weaknesses and how they prepared to exploit it, yet you could care less? JJ's comments should be locker-room material for any team. You think Marquette is the first team to notice our lazy defense? It may be news to you, but what he said isn't exactly groundbreaking....
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 29, 2016 13:24:30 GMT -5
I shut it off at halftime, but did the Marquette player actually call us lazy on TV? That really happened? Not that I haven't said much worse things about the defense, but that's still mindboggling coming from a team that has to play us again. Did anyone bother to ask about it in the post-game press conference? I'd kind of like a reaction from someone. If that doesn't fire us up, then maybe we really don't have a pulse. There's no way any of the coaches or players would have heard that comment by the time the post-game conference happened (now would the press have heard it).
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Post by prhoya on Dec 29, 2016 13:26:11 GMT -5
That's silly. We just got an insight into how another team prepared for us, what they saw as one of our weaknesses and how they prepared to exploit it, yet you could care less? JJ's comments should be locker-room material for any team. You think Marquette is the first team to notice our lazy defense? It may be news to you, but what he said isn't exactly groundbreaking.... No, they are the first to say it at a post-game press conference. Instead of the usual BS heard during press conferences, the kid spelled it out. Now there is no hiding from it.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 29, 2016 13:32:42 GMT -5
That's silly. We just got an insight into how another team prepared for us, what they saw as one of our weaknesses and how they prepared to exploit it, yet you could care less? JJ's comments should be locker-room material for any team. Yes, and I think it would make fine locker-room material. But I don't think it's a meaningful statement otherwise. I am not going to judge our team based on what some college player says in a press conference. Clearly, our defense is bad and needs to improve a lot if we are going to do better. I still don't know that I would call the defense "lazy," but rather inept. Either way, it's not good and needs to improve. I just think it's funny that people are embracing what this guy said as proof that we are lazy. Seriously, if it was just a matter of putting in effort, that would be easily fixable. The fact that it's not easily fixed tells me it's more than that. I know rotations, being in the right place, etc. involves effort, but there's also a level of skill and instinct involved, and I don't think all of our guys have those instincts or skills. Lastly, I don't think you'd ever see a Georgetown player call another team out for "lazy" defense, even if they actually thought that because I think the staff instills a level of class in them. It is a meaningful statement. For the first time, instead of hearing the usual BS during post-game press conferences, we heard what a team thinks of our defense through JJ. Probably Wojo is banning him from future press conferences.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 29, 2016 13:38:51 GMT -5
You think Marquette is the first team to notice our lazy defense? It may be news to you, but what he said isn't exactly groundbreaking.... No, they are the first to say it at a post-game press conference. Instead of the usual BS heard during press conferences, the kid spelled it out. Now there is no hiding from it. Wasn't actually at the press conference, it was during the brief live on court postgame interview. hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/708212/thread
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 29, 2016 13:54:26 GMT -5
It is a meaningful statement. For the first time, instead of hearing the usual BS during post-game press conferences, we heard what a team thinks of our defense through JJ. Probably Wojo is banning him from future press conferences. Fair enough. I think we can agree that the defense as it functioned last night, and in some of our previous games, simply won't be good enough if we want to win a lot of Big East games.
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Post by dense on Dec 29, 2016 13:58:11 GMT -5
Huh??? It is not hate. it is observation. he shot the ball well but that does not mean you played well. Alot of what he does shows he does not trust his teammates.Some might say well thats good because they are no good. But you will never win playing the way he did tonight. taking 6 dribbles to free yourself for a contested 18 fter is not going to be a winning strategy because the other 4 guys become ball watchers. Also the I am going to go at 3 guys 1-3 on the break stuff is getting annoying now. He shot well from the floor and hit at least 3 of those 6-dribble pull-ups you referenced....what are you really mad at? I am talking about his trying to shake his man bogging down the offense. One play off the top my head I can remember where it is a clear indication of guys not moving is Johnson's 2nd dunk in a row. Pryor got the ball at the top tried to shake him for 3 secs and got nowhere and throws a telegraphed pass which I believe it was Mosely was just stuck watching the dribbling exhibition. Also his forays 1-3 on the break when he has teammates running with him. My gripe is he tries too hard to shake guys instrad of straight line driving which when you have a motion based offense means people are prone to just sit and watch rather than keep moving because the ball is stuck.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 29, 2016 14:00:33 GMT -5
Many things to be concerned with but I am perplexed at JTIII's substitution patterns, especially at the guard positions. Javan Mosley is a freshmen pg and has played like it for most of the season. Tre Campbell is what he was three years ago, and that is less than a true pg. if you take away his occasional 3pt make(about one a game) what does he bring to the mix? He recruited Mulmore from JUCO as a stopgap measure for the loss of DSR. He has a lot of deficiencies but they are no where close to Campbell. He should start and live with his faults for the rest of the year until Waters gets here next year. Only take him out if he has foul trouble. Johnson has been a big disappointment also. I don't see any improvement from last year in his handle or shooting accuracy. I think Agau should start at the 5 position with Derrickson at the 4. Hayes and Govan were the objects of Johnson's comment on laziness on defense by Hoya players. Let Mourning get a few more minutes at the 5. He at least has 5 fouls to give. The problem at PG is that none of them has been consistently productive enough to earn the majority of the minutes. Tre was better than Mulmore last night - but not by much. We have to accept that the coach will have to try to evaluate which is a better option fora particular game, or situation within a game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 14:01:38 GMT -5
Folks giving JJs quote a lot of attention but IDK I think the bigger problem is we scored 66 and our best player appears to be injured....
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 29, 2016 14:03:35 GMT -5
For me, it was just a very painful loss. I take a little solace in the fact that Peak was not at his peak, no pun intended--hope he recovers soon. I also dismiss what the Marquette player is reported as saying. Just wanted us to start league play with a win, that's all. However, I have to give it to Marquette and their coaching staff; they clearly was the better team last night and wanted it more. There use to be a time, in the not too distant past, when we put the fear Hoya Paranoia in the opposing team. Not last night. We also, as I have been saying forever now, have to realize that the three point shot is becoming a routine and basic part of winning games. Again, I am not proposing that we just jack up shots. But we must put our selves in the position to keep pace with the other team's use of the shot as a weapon. We need more fire in the belly; we need more tenacity and faith in ourselves; we need more risk-taking--as their coach told them--don't shy away from taking the three-pointers.
To be honest, for me, in the first five minutes of watching that game it went from, "I hope we can win this game" to "I just hope that we don't get blown out of the gym." Thanks to Pryor and Derrickson--and Tre--we were able to salvage our pride and dignity a little bit. Also, it's a great thing we were able to snag Pryor. Whew, could you all imagine how ugly it would have been for us if we didn't have him? I'm at a point now where I would just love to see him make many more attempts when it comes to shooting the ball. We need more aggression; more risk-taking or we can kiss this season good-bye. This is a league that is even deeper than advertise. This is (Big East) insanity!
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Post by dense on Dec 29, 2016 14:09:13 GMT -5
He shot well from the floor and hit at least 3 of those 6-dribble pull-ups you referenced....what are you really mad at? Agreed. I would say most of his shots are "bad" shots because they are contested. He makes them at such a high rate that his "bad" shots are better than anything this offense produces. People are acting like we have this great dribble drive offense or swing the ball around til there is an open shot that he is disrupting. This offense is pass the ball around the perimeter and MAKE SURE a 7 footer gets a touch at the 3 point line and then someone decides to take a shot when they feel like it. I am starting to wonder what these people are really mad at as well because it sure as hell shouldn't be Rodney's shots. It really is not that which shows to me a lack of fundamental understanding. Look the passing out of the post is a problem because Govan and Hayes are not good at it but the post ups are there. Fundamentally we are running the same stuff we did when we had a balanced scoring team the first 6 years. Inherent in this team is we have tried to run different sets whn the clock is starting go down after the inital set with ballscreens. Which everyone was clamoring for. Offense is a template but a teams personality makes the offense what it is. If you have ballstoppers or guys who need multiple (5 or 6 dribbles to get off a move or shot) then maybe we should run something else together. When you pound the ball against a set defense you allow them to make players play out of their weakness. pounding the ball also stops you from post entries because the set defense can hedge to make up for things like in Quette's case a lack of height. You think Johnson was deflecting those post passes because he was clairvoyant. once again, I am not mad for the number of shots or shots he made. I am dismayed at how his offense has effected what we do. It also seems when he hits 3 in a row he gets tunnel vision and thinks its NBA jam which is fine but I remember the ball slipping out his hand twice because of his trying to get his. All I am saying.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 14:09:39 GMT -5
As I have said before. We are not lazy on defense. We just don't know how to play defense, particularly team defense. It is frustrating to watch.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 29, 2016 14:10:14 GMT -5
Folks giving JJs quote a lot of attention but IDK I think the bigger problem is we scored 66 and our best player appears to be injured.... If Peak is out for any lengthy period of time, the season is close to over.
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Post by the_way on Dec 29, 2016 14:13:27 GMT -5
Right now, III has his work cut out for him.
He has boxed himself into a corner recruiting-wise.
The talent is limited.
Coaching-wise, it is puzzling too.
Strange, but this eerily looks like a Pops coached team (late 90's), than a JTIII team. Our offensive sets are just non-existent. There is no order or structure. Toss it around and see if Peak or Rodney can do something with it.
The guys are trying, the effort is there. We weren't on that recent winning streak by pure luck. This game, Marquette was always a step head of us, athletically and schematically.
This team has heart. Hopefully they can will themselves to win some of these games. As for III, I'm pulling for him. Hopefully help is on the way with recruiting.
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