eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 16, 2017 23:22:32 GMT -5
Dr. Q, you are right again. I admire your wisdom with these situations.
Quit the pc crap TAS as it's old from you, the kid was a cancer here and III threw him out if you really read it after it all went down. I'll back coach for that. He doesn't transfer without that message loud and clear from our coach. My guess is he's an entity never to be heard from again. And let's not forget he was awful this year when he actually did play.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Feb 17, 2017 7:41:56 GMT -5
Dr. Q, you are right again. I admire your wisdom with these situations. Quit the pc crap TAS as it's old from you, the kid was a cancer here and III threw him out if you really read it after it all went down. I'll back coach for that. He doesn't transfer without that message loud and clear from our coach. My guess is he's an entity never to be heard from again. And let's not forget he was awful this year when he actually did play. I haven't seen anything anywhere about the kid being a cancer or JTIII forcing him out. You are just making stuff up to fit your arguments. Add in your heroic anti-PC stance, and I am thinking you may actually be our President. Welcome DJT! Didn't realize you were a Hoya fan...
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 17, 2017 10:00:33 GMT -5
I don't think Isaac was a cancer, I do think he was a bust however. i will miss what Paul White brought to the table in terms of basketball and character. Isaac seems to have more growing up to do and he was unhappy, but calling him a cancer goes too far.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 17, 2017 10:55:01 GMT -5
Add in your heroic anti-PC stance, and I am thinking you may actually be our President. Welcome DJT! Didn't realize you were a Hoya fan... Hmm. Hadn't thought about that. You're right, though, they both say some wild and crazy stuff.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Feb 17, 2017 10:57:48 GMT -5
You know, I'd like to be all magnanimous and say that I wish Ike well. But unless he really had an issue with academics or there was a personal reason unrelated to basketball or academics, I really feel like he let the school and the program down. He was awarded a scholarship to an elite University to play basketball on an elite team in an elite conference. Kids around the country would kill for the opportunity Ike had. Yet he seemed to treat this opportunity as a right and performed like someone who thought we should be happy to have him here. I hope he plays the same way in Nebraska that he played here and next year, when Nebraska is trolling around the bottom of the Big 10 he can look over here and wish he was on the 2017-2018 Georgetown team that is fighting for the BE championship. I disagree. I think it was simply a case of having too many people at the same position. Couple that with the fact that he really was playing well at all, seemed to have lost his confidence with his shooting, lack of defensive play, and Coach's seemingly new philosophy of playing those who were contributing, brought him to a decision point. I think we should wish him well in his future endeavors. Here's where I have a problem. If you feel that you were losing playing time because you were "recruited over" then get out there and play better. Work harder in practice and show coach that you belong out there. Don't quit mid season and leave a hole in the team. Remember that he took with him a scholarship that is now wasted. If he thought he didn't belong here then he should have left at the end of last year. I don't know if he was a "cancer" on the team. None of us can and therefore we shouldn't throw terms like that around. I just can't bring myself to "wishing him well" basketball-wise at another school.
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bostonfan
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 17, 2017 11:03:56 GMT -5
I don't think Isaac was a cancer, I do think he was a bust however. i will miss what Paul White brought to the table in terms of basketball and character. Isaac seems to have more growing up to do and he was unhappy, but calling him a cancer goes too far. Cancer is way too strong a word and I have not seen anything anywhere that would indicate Isaac did anything at all to embarrass the university. He did not play as well as all of us had hoped and there are probably multiple reasons for that, many of them caused by Isaac. It did not work out and he has moved on. It seems to happen all there time in college athletics these days.
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 17, 2017 11:12:39 GMT -5
I don't think Isaac was a cancer, I do think he was a bust however. i will miss what Paul White brought to the table in terms of basketball and character. Isaac seems to have more growing up to do and he was unhappy, but calling him a cancer goes too far. HAHA....That's way too funny! You didn't think Paul White was good enough to play more than 5 minutes a game this season. Now your talking about missing what he brought to the table basketball ball wise and character. You were leading his way out the door when White transferred stating he wasn't good enough to help this team. Now you're calling Isaac Copeland a bust and stating your going to miss his Paul White? COME ON MANN...IS IT OO-CHIE WALLY WALLY OR IS IT ONE MIC...? What are you going to say if Copeland blows up at Nebraska? Just because he didn't succeed here at Georgetown on your timeline doesn't mean he's a bust as he still has an opportunity to succeed. I'm hoping the change of environment helps him. Do you actually read the stuff you post?
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Feb 17, 2017 11:31:49 GMT -5
I disagree. I think it was simply a case of having too many people at the same position. Couple that with the fact that he really was playing well at all, seemed to have lost his confidence with his shooting, lack of defensive play, and Coach's seemingly new philosophy of playing those who were contributing, brought him to a decision point. I think we should wish him well in his future endeavors. Here's where I have a problem. If you feel that you were losing playing time because you were "recruited over" then get out there and play better. Work harder in practice and show coach that you belong out there. Don't quit mid season and leave a hole in the team. Remember that he took with him a scholarship that is now wasted. If he thought he didn't belong here then he should have left at the end of last year. I don't know if he was a "cancer" on the team. None of us can and therefore we shouldn't throw terms like that around. I just can't bring myself to "wishing him well" basketball-wise at another school. Drq, I agree with your opinion with regard to how you'd hope a kid would react to losing time and sinking down the depth chart. Isaac didn't do that but, keep in mind, he was injured as well. The guy had back surgery. Now, we can debate how serious the condition (we'll never know) and whether or not he could have played through it without risking further injury (we'll also never know), but I'd argue that the way he was playing was hurting the team to the point where, if he had stayed, he'd have to be nailed to the bench. That, of course, opens up the whole "Coach would be too stubborn to sit him," but, if that's true, Isaac did everyone a favor by bailing. I think that, playing the way he was, had he stayed or left really made little to no difference to the team. If anything, it forced more minutes to the guys that should have been playing ahead of him even earlier. I don't know how bad Isaac's injury is/was. But it was bad enough to require surgery. I have no reason to not wish him well. I can wish that he was more of the player that we'd hoped he'd be but I don't know if he didn't work hard enough or whether he's a slower bloomer or if he's just not that player. Regardless, it wasn't a good situation for him and he moved on. I can't fault the kid for not pulling the trigger sooner to leave because I don't know the whole situation. Isaac decided it was time to go and he went.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Feb 17, 2017 16:47:14 GMT -5
Here's where I have a problem. If you feel that you were losing playing time because you were "recruited over" then get out there and play better. Work harder in practice and show coach that you belong out there. Don't quit mid season and leave a hole in the team. Remember that he took with him a scholarship that is now wasted. If he thought he didn't belong here then he should have left at the end of last year. I don't know if he was a "cancer" on the team. None of us can and therefore we shouldn't throw terms like that around. I just can't bring myself to "wishing him well" basketball-wise at another school. Drq, I agree with your opinion with regard to how you'd hope a kid would react to losing time and sinking down the depth chart. Isaac didn't do that but, keep in mind, he was injured as well. The guy had back surgery. Now, we can debate how serious the condition (we'll never know) and whether or not he could have played through it without risking further injury (we'll also never know), but I'd argue that the way he was playing was hurting the team to the point where, if he had stayed, he'd have to be nailed to the bench. That, of course, opens up the whole "Coach would be too stubborn to sit him," but, if that's true, Isaac did everyone a favor by bailing. I think that, playing the way he was, had he stayed or left really made little to no difference to the team. If anything, it forced more minutes to the guys that should have been playing ahead of him even earlier. I don't know how bad Isaac's injury is/was. But it was bad enough to require surgery. I have no reason to not wish him well. I can wish that he was more of the player that we'd hoped he'd be but I don't know if he didn't work hard enough or whether he's a slower bloomer or if he's just not that player. Regardless, it wasn't a good situation for him and he moved on. I can't fault the kid for not pulling the trigger sooner to leave because I don't know the whole situation. Isaac decided it was time to go and he went. Like I said, if it was a personal, non-basketball related issue then I have no problem with him leaving. But if his back was hurting his playing I'm sure JT3 would take that into consideration and would have gladly tried to get him a medical redshirt. My point is that Ike was expected to be a big part of this team this year and next. His leaving leaves a big hole. Look, I'm such a grouchy old man that I even begrudge kids who leave early for NBA money so I really don't have a lot of sympathy for kids who leave for another program because they were recruited over or feel they aren't getting the PT they deserve.
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 17, 2017 18:24:39 GMT -5
I disagree. I think it was simply a case of having too many people at the same position. Couple that with the fact that he really was playing well at all, seemed to have lost his confidence with his shooting, lack of defensive play, and Coach's seemingly new philosophy of playing those who were contributing, brought him to a decision point. I think we should wish him well in his future endeavors. Here's where I have a problem. If you feel that you were losing playing time because you were "recruited over" then get out there and play better. Work harder in practice and show coach that you belong out there. Don't quit mid season and leave a hole in the team. Remember that he took with him a scholarship that is now wasted. If he thought he didn't belong here then he should have left at the end of last year. I don't know if he was a "cancer" on the team. None of us can and therefore we shouldn't throw terms like that around. I just can't bring myself to "wishing him well" basketball-wise at another school. Exactly. I mean, you were a STARTER, dude. And you basically rolled out mid-season...If you played up to par, the team would be in much better position right now.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 17, 2017 22:49:27 GMT -5
He was a problem if you like that better than cancer. If JTIII wanted him to stay he would be here. I give coach that much credit and if that's not the case then he has less control on this program than even I could imagine.
You don't need an article to tell you things, try to read between the lines and figure it out posters. These players generally transfer because they are pushed by the program to do so. As I said, he will be a non entity going forward. I mean Nebraska isn't exactly the programs we were debating him going to. I don't think of CBB when I think of them. Maybe they can convert him to QB and then maybe we would hear from him again.
Like going to Siberia of CBB. I mean we've been bad and then look at their history and you see worse. Don't see Cope being a difference maker.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 17, 2017 23:07:53 GMT -5
Dr. Q, you are right again. I admire your wisdom with these situations. Quit the pc crap TAS as it's old from you, the kid was a cancer here and III threw him out if you really read it after it all went down. I'll back coach for that. He doesn't transfer without that message loud and clear from our coach. My guess is he's an entity never to be heard from again. And let's not forget he was awful this year when he actually did play. I haven't seen anything anywhere about the kid being a cancer or JTIII forcing him out. You are just making stuff up to fit your arguments. Add in your heroic anti-PC stance, and I am thinking you may actually be our President. Welcome DJT! Didn't realize you were a Hoya fan... You just read it from my post so that is an incorrect statement. Why are you lying to us Filo, not like you.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 21, 2017 20:57:44 GMT -5
Miss paul white who the last kenner game was almost back to his old allaround solid self picks d rebbies and better shot and nose for the ball and point forward passer. issac never really panned out good luck to him but didnt pan WHITE WILL PLAY with the ducks and do well. GOHoyas
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Feb 23, 2017 16:14:17 GMT -5
I haven't seen anything anywhere about the kid being a cancer or JTIII forcing him out. You are just making stuff up to fit your arguments. Add in your heroic anti-PC stance, and I am thinking you may actually be our President. Welcome DJT! Didn't realize you were a Hoya fan... You just read it from my post so that is an incorrect statement. Why are you lying to us Filo, not like you. Given some recent developments, I am conceding this one to you. You were right. I tried to give the benefit of the doubt. Good riddance to Ike.
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hoyapac
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Post by hoyapac on Feb 23, 2017 18:59:54 GMT -5
All this kid wanted to do was drink, party and put absolutely no work in on the basketball court. Classic example of a kid with loads of talent expecting everything to be given to him. Smh cope.. hope you enjoy the club scene in Lincoln, NE.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 23, 2017 19:11:12 GMT -5
Pops would have ridden him back in the day. Kid would have gotten tougher and better .
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Feb 23, 2017 19:48:12 GMT -5
All this kid wanted to do was drink, party and put absolutely no work in on the basketball court. Classic example of a kid with loads of talent expecting everything to be given to him. Smh cope.. hope you enjoy the club scene in Lincoln, NE. Where is this coming from?
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Post by calhoya on Feb 23, 2017 20:27:59 GMT -5
My son thought Ike was a good kid. His tweet last night was disappointing to say the least and showed a level of immaturity that is not that unusual in a 20 year old. As for Bowen, I can understand the frustration he felt over playing time and while it is a shame that he took his shot, at least he had some reasons to be frustrated. Copeland was never shortchanged while here. He was anointed early on and played himself onto the bench.
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Post by hoyapac on Feb 23, 2017 21:20:07 GMT -5
All this kid wanted to do was drink, party and put absolutely no work in on the basketball court. Classic example of a kid with loads of talent expecting everything to be given to him. Smh cope.. hope you enjoy the club scene in Lincoln, NE. Where is this coming from? Isaac's social media.. snapchat to be specific
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 23, 2017 22:03:32 GMT -5
You just read it from my post so that is an incorrect statement. Why are you lying to us Filo, not like you. Given some recent developments, I am conceding this one to you. You were right. I tried to give the benefit of the doubt. Good riddance to Ike. Filo, I know that hurts you to say to me but I do appreciate it. Dan and Admin, I think I'm owed an apology as look what is being written about this guy now in the last several posts and I just said he was vain. For that you removed me for 10 days from the board. That only the hurt the other board members. My post back then was a mild way of calling it out.
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