DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 17, 2016 22:37:38 GMT -5
That had just about as much class as the sign posted in McDonough early in JT Jr's career: zero. Calling for a veteran coach to be held accountable for poor performance is as classless as directing a racial slur at a relatively new hire? Whatever you say. Didn't say they were equivalent, counselor, but twisting words is acceptable in cross even if not true.
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Post by hobokenhoya on Nov 17, 2016 22:38:35 GMT -5
It's my opinion: classless and idiotic - and I stand by it. 3 games into a season - ridiculous. That's in no way an expression of contentment with the 'product on the court' tonight. I assume you are referring to the chant which I didn't see or hear because I didn't see a lot of the game but followed it all online. I'm not saying it's right or wrong just that the discontent (at least for me) is a result of years of inexplicable tournament results (with admittedly very good regular seasons) followed by the craziest three home losses of a national program (we know what they are) over the past year and three games. We are the punchline, the laughing stock of college basketball. And it just stinks. I'm going to stick by the school and the program because I absolutely love it and choose to believe we will turn it around. It's just getting increasingly difficult to believe it will be with this administration. Apologies for any typos or grammatical errors (I did in fact graduate from this wonderful institution) as I'm typing on my phone and am too tired and buzzed to proofread.
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Post by hoya88tx on Nov 17, 2016 22:42:55 GMT -5
i was hoping to get an opinion of other Hoya fans.
ive been sitting here contemplating this failure against what is basically a glorified high school team. It suddenly occurred to me that maybe we (I) have been wrong for years. Let me explain.
we have criticized this team(s) and coaching staff for early losses in March. After tonight I'm wondering if we should have praised them for even making it to the tournament ?
Spending massive money on a program does not guaranteed success unless it is managed properly. We are not and haven't been for a long time.
We are not the top of the BE, we are not the flagship of the BE, we are a below par program that occasionally over achieves instead of under achieves. Am I wrong ??
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Post by royski on Nov 17, 2016 22:43:02 GMT -5
Calling for a veteran coach to be held accountable for poor performance is as classless as directing a racial slur at a relatively new hire? Whatever you say. Didn't say they were equivalent, counselor, but twisting words is acceptable in cross even if not true. The phrase "just about as much" is used to imply equivalence.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 17, 2016 22:45:53 GMT -5
We Will Learn From Our Mistakes
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 17, 2016 22:46:05 GMT -5
I get the frustration as I feel it too. Punchline and laughingstock are overstating the case IMO. Typos are fine, I make them all the time. Couldn't resist the temptation to make fun of a post making fun of typos with one in it itself. And yes, posting on a phone is tough, especially if autocorrect is on.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 17, 2016 22:46:53 GMT -5
Didn't say they were equivalent, counselor, but twisting words is acceptable in cross even if not true. The phrase "just about as much" is used to imply equivalence. Not by me it wasn't. I would have said they were equivalent if I meant that.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 17, 2016 22:47:44 GMT -5
We Will Learn From Our Mistakes Not me, I keep posting here.
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Post by njhoya78 on Nov 17, 2016 22:47:59 GMT -5
While there's no excusing tonight's effort, I'm wondering whether the late game collapse against the Terps carried over into this game, and adversely affected the Hoyas. Again, not looking to make any excuse. . .but they looked numb in the first half. Well, then the team is mentally weak and not resilient. Not a good characteristic if you want to have a good season. Coach's responsibility to make sure the MD loss doesn't bleed over, isn't it? Not disagreeing with you. Not a whole lot of time between the Maryland game and tonight's game for any coach to repair the damage wrought in the final minutes Tuesday night. Also wondering which Hoya is the leader on the court, that player up to whom the other players look. . .that player who likewise would fight against the "bleed over," as you phrased it. Saw a few flashes of it from Peak in the second half, but not enough.
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Post by royski on Nov 17, 2016 22:55:09 GMT -5
People who entered college after the Final Four year have seen:
- 3 humiliating NCAA first round exits (Ohio, VCU, FGCU) - Steph Curry and another bad second round exit (NCSU) - A second round loss that was probably justified (Utah) - 2 NITs - One missed postseason
Anyone blaming the students who care enough to call for a change is in the wrong. The students chanting tonight are the ones who are still, somehow, invested.
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Nov 17, 2016 22:57:56 GMT -5
It seems to me that besides LJ, who might have too much confidence, Georgetown players have had that "deer in headlights" look for a few years now. Often, coach does too. It translates to the court, especially in crunch time. Am I the only one thinking this?
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Post by lda05816 on Nov 17, 2016 22:59:56 GMT -5
The fouling is still a huge issue for this team, it just doesn't seem as bad (to me at least) because we are getting to the line at a much higher rate this year. Arkansas St showed very little respect for our outside shooting and they had no reason too. Right now if we don't get to the foul line or the defense doesn't create easy points, it's been a real challenge to score. I like the athleticism of this team but the lack of outside shooting is a real issue. Tough to space the floor and create lanes for the capable slashers on this team at the moment.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 17, 2016 23:01:50 GMT -5
Well, then the team is mentally weak and not resilient. Not a good characteristic if you want to have a good season. Coach's responsibility to make sure the MD loss doesn't bleed over, isn't it? Not disagreeing with you. Not a whole lot of time between the Maryland game and tonight's game for any coach to repair the damage wrought in the final minutes Tuesday night. Also wondering which Hoya is the leader on the court, that player up to whom the other players look. . .that player who likewise would fight against the "bleed over," as you phrased it. Saw a few flashes of it from Peak in the second half, but not enough. Yeah, but if LJ can't stay on the court, I saw no other leadership. Moseley may have tried, but tried too much for a frosh. That's why I didn't get the criticism of DSR last season. We need someone like that on this team.
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Post by lda05816 on Nov 17, 2016 23:01:54 GMT -5
It seems to me that besides LJ, who might have too much confidence, Georgetown players have had that "deer in headlights" look for a few years now. Often, coach does too. It translates to the court, especially in crunch time. Am I the only one thinking this? I don't know about "deer in headlights" but I definitely sense a "here we go again" type look/feel to the last 42 mins of basketball.
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Post by aristides on Nov 17, 2016 23:21:57 GMT -5
I'd be okay with Johnson getting 30 minutes a game. Also liked how Govan is getting more and more comfortable out there.
This team just seems to be trying to find its identity. I think they're better than this and are going to start showing it soon.
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Post by royski on Nov 17, 2016 23:26:13 GMT -5
JT3 is 3-12 over his past 15 games, with wins over St. Johns, USC Upstate, and DePaul. When is it enough?
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Post by hobokenhoya on Nov 17, 2016 23:26:59 GMT -5
Apologies if I missed this earlier but do we know anything about derrickson's setback? Did we know before tonight he wouldn't be available? Any idea if he is playing on Maui?
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 17, 2016 23:29:32 GMT -5
JT3 is 3-12 over his past 15 games, with wins over St. Johns, USC Upstate, and DePaul. When is it enough? I think we are right on the cusp of greatness, just need some more gym time.
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Post by This Just In on Nov 17, 2016 23:30:13 GMT -5
i was hoping to get an opinion of other Hoya fans. ive been sitting here contemplating this failure against what is basically a glorified high school team. It suddenly occurred to me that maybe we (I) have been wrong for years. Let me explain. we have criticized this team(s) and coaching staff for early losses in March. After tonight I'm wondering if we should have praised them for even making it to the tournament ? Spending massive money on a program does not guaranteed success unless it is managed properly. We are not and haven't been for a long time. We are not the top of the BE, we are not the flagship of the BE, we are a below par program that occasionally over achieves instead of under achieves. Am I wrong ?? This team has under performed against several teams for years... Tonight's loss should not come as a shock as everyone has seen this in the 10 years since the Final Four. The bottom may be falling out now, which means the program held on to JTIII too long. Missing the NCAA's in 3 out of 4 years is a possibility this year During the halftime show even Steve Lavin did not have the Hoyas in his top 6 teams in the Be Things definitely are not trending in the right direction for JTIII nor the program
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 17, 2016 23:37:14 GMT -5
i was hoping to get an opinion of other Hoya fans. ive been sitting here contemplating this failure against what is basically a glorified high school team. It suddenly occurred to me that maybe we (I) have been wrong for years. Let me explain. we have criticized this team(s) and coaching staff for early losses in March. After tonight I'm wondering if we should have praised them for even making it to the tournament ? Spending massive money on a program does not guaranteed success unless it is managed properly. We are not and haven't been for a long time. We are not the top of the BE, we are not the flagship of the BE, we are a below par program that occasionally over achieves instead of under achieves. Am I wrong ?? This team has under performed against several teams for years... Tonight's loss should not come as a shock as everyone has seen this in the 10 years since the Final Four. The bottom may be falling out now, which means the program held on to JTIII too long. Missing the NCAA's in 3 out of 4 years is a possibility this year During the halftime show even Steve Lavin did not have the Hoyas in his top 6 teams in the Be Things definitely are not trending in the right direction for JTIII nor the program Spot on again. I don't know where you get this stuff but we have problems that many here don't want to see.
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