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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 17, 2016 22:10:59 GMT -5
the 'fire thompson' chant is the highlight of the game That had just about as much class as the sign posted in McDonough early in JT Jr's career: zero.
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 17, 2016 22:11:40 GMT -5
If that quote doesn't tell you the mentality of what is running this program than nothing does. What exactly do you want him to say? How are mistakes corrected in sports? Through practice. In the worlds of a former Hoya legend: Not the game....we talkin' bout practice. He can say whatever he wants and no one cares to listen as it's nonsense. He had how many months since he missed every tournament to work with this group? The only words we would hear is I'm not capable of running a program at this level. I think the Ivy has an opening for him which would give a soft landing.
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Post by drquigley on Nov 17, 2016 22:13:19 GMT -5
What is bothering me more than JT3's coaching is his recruiting. Look at all the duds we've had the last 5 years. Take away Otto and DSR (and possibly LJ) and we haven't had a real stud in years. Lubick, Hopkins, Domingo, Cameron, Ike, Campbell. Pryor reminds me of me playing intramurals. If you were dumb enough to pass me the ball you would never see it again. Mosley obviously can't shoot 3's. Jesse has Hopkins hands and is a disaster on D. Folks, we can't compete at this level with the guys we are recruiting. A lot of these guys were highly recruited. Copeland, Hopkins, Lubick, and Domingo all had several major programs going after them as well. I don't think we're picking duds necessarily (though our recruiting has certainly and predictably fallen off with our NCAA tournament performances). I think we don't develop the talent we have, other than occasionally at the center position. I hear you but just look at these guys. Govan is the classic high school big man stud who looks great in high school. But watching him play against D1 opponents its obvious that he doesn't have the foot speed, hands, or jumping ability to play against D1 big men. Tre Campbell has no court vision or penetrate and dish ability. And can't play D. Didn't anyone notice that Nate Lubick couldn't shoot? What scares me most about tonight is it looks like Jagan Mosley will be another underperformed. Forget that he missed all 6 threes. His shooting form is horrible. Didn't anyone scouting him notice that? Sure it's easy to say we got some guys that other programs wanted but that's like going after the prom queen just because everyone else wants her. I hate to keep saying this but look at Nova. No one wanted Jenkins. We apparently passed on Josh Hart. And I'm sure Archie wasn't on anyone's top 10 recruit list. But Jay Wright has figured out how to judge HS talent and develop it in his system.
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 17, 2016 22:13:40 GMT -5
Yes, really. New players, changes in scheme, etc. The more practice time, the better. If that quote doesn't tell you the mentality of what is running this program than nothing does. What do you think would turn the season around at this point? Lounging on the beach?
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 17, 2016 22:14:24 GMT -5
the 'fire thompson' chant is the highlight of the game That had just about as much class as the sign posted in McDonough early in JT Jr's career: zero. That's not even close to being comparable and you know that. A chant like that tonight would ring out in any professional or big time college arena after the continued failure of this type of program especially against far inferior programs. At some point you have to stop trying to defend it and see it for what it is. Time to turn the page.
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 17, 2016 22:15:26 GMT -5
A lot of these guys were highly recruited. Copeland, Hopkins, Lubick, and Domingo all had several major programs going after them as well. I don't think we're picking duds necessarily (though our recruiting has certainly and predictably fallen off with our NCAA tournament performances). I think we don't develop the talent we have, other than occasionally at the center position. I hear you but just look at these guys. Govan is the classic high school big man stud who looks great in high school. But watching him play against D1 opponents its obvious that he doesn't have the foot speed, hands, or jumping ability to play against D1 big men. Tre Campbell has no court vision or penetrate and dish ability. And can't play D. Didn't anyone notice that Nate Lubick couldn't shoot? What scares me most about tonight is it looks like Jagan Mosley will be another underperformed. Forget that he missed all 6 threes. His shooting form is horrible. Didn't anyone scouting him notice that? Sure it's easy to say we got some guys that other programs wanted but that's like going after the prom queen just because everyone else wants her. I hate to keep saying this but look at Nova. No one wanted Jenkins. We apparently passed on Josh Hart. And I'm sure Archie wasn't on anyone's top 10 recruit list. But Jay Wright has figured out how to judge HS talent and develop it in his system. still falls on the coach for his recruiting. The recruiting and coaching are the two big aspects of the job. If you fail at either than you generally fail.
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 17, 2016 22:16:12 GMT -5
If that quote doesn't tell you the mentality of what is running this program than nothing does. What do you think would turn the season around at this point? Lounging on the beach? I'm sure they do that with more effort than they rebound and play d.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 17, 2016 22:19:03 GMT -5
That had just about as much class as the sign posted in McDonough early in JT Jr's career: zero. That's not even close to being comparable and you know that. A chant like that tonight would ring out in any professional or big time college arena after the continued failure of this type of program especially against far inferior programs. At some point you have to stop trying to defend it and see it for what it is. Time to turn the page. Cannot disagree more and it also shows an astonishing amount of unfounded entitlement and lack of perspective.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 17, 2016 22:19:41 GMT -5
Truly pathetic...and after the self destruction in the last 2 mns. against UMD, I didn't think things could get much worse so quickly...there are many issues, and coaching is clearly one of them...when you consistently blow leads in the last couple of minutes in so many games its telltale of coaching failure...to compound that, we have a poor shooting team with, collectively, a fairly low basketball IQ. So you have many low IQ turnovers/mistakes, often at critical points in the games. Yes, we're more athletic, but our offense is still "crapshoot", with minimal effective screening and limited "flow" on most possessions...Defensively, we get lost too often and play very weak interior defense. Much of this is due to our roster, but the roster is put together by the coach. Motivation?...I didn't see any in the first half, so by the time it arrived in the second half, it was too late unless we played flawlessly, which of course we didn't. Arkansas St. came to play, and they humiliated us in our home arena...it looked like Fla. Gulf Coast, VCU, Ohio U., Radford, Monmouth and UNC Ashville all over again. They kept beating us off the dribble all night..why didn't we play some zone, maybe triangle and two or any other type...when nobody else could shoot, why didn't we put Campbell or Mourning in, both of whom can shoot a bit...and where the hell is Derrickson again? I love Mosely's effort, but he was 0 for 6 from 3 all from the same spot, and all off the long side of the rim...and Kaleb, great second half effort but missed two layups and both foul shots in the first half...Loved Peak's effort, but what was that inbounds pass on our last possession to potentially tie down three? Enough already...I will continue to get behind the Coach and players, but both need to perform much better in their roles. We need to play harder, smarter and more efficiently for 40 minutes. Derrickson is injured.
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Post by njhoya78 on Nov 17, 2016 22:20:16 GMT -5
While there's no excusing tonight's effort, I'm wondering whether the late game collapse against the Terps carried over into this game, and adversely affected the Hoyas. Again, not looking to make any excuse. . .but they looked numb in the first half.
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Post by GUJook97 on Nov 17, 2016 22:22:01 GMT -5
That's not even close to being comparable and you know that. A chant like that tonight would ring out in any professional or big time college arena after the continued failure of this type of program especially against far inferior programs. At some point you have to stop trying to defend it and see it for what it is. Time to turn the page. Cannot disagree more and it also shows an astonishing amount of unfounded entitlement and lack of perspective. Why? Like it or not, this is sports. When a team underperforms and loses embarrassing games like this many times, people call for the coach to be fired. It is what it is. We are a national laughingstock, and most outside the program think the only reason JTIII hasn't been fired yet is because of his name.
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 17, 2016 22:22:17 GMT -5
That's not even close to being comparable and you know that. A chant like that tonight would ring out in any professional or big time college arena after the continued failure of this type of program especially against far inferior programs. At some point you have to stop trying to defend it and see it for what it is. Time to turn the page. Cannot disagree more and it also shows an astonishing amount of unfounded entitlement and lack of perspective. Why because they are younger? It's not about what his father did for the program, it's about his performance. I think they can see what has happened to this program and that chant wasn't born out of the last two games. By the University not correcting the continued failures this was bound to happen. I don't view this as entitlement just kids at a school known for a basketball history that loses to schools who are barely in DI. When I went to school there they sold the basketball team hard and rightfully so for what they invest in it. You can't have it both ways.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 17, 2016 22:22:56 GMT -5
While there's no excusing tonight's effort, I'm wondering whether the late game collapse against the Terps carried over into this game, and adversely affected the Hoyas. Again, not looking to make any excuse. . .but they looked numb in the first half. Well, then the team is mentally weak and not resilient. Not a good characteristic if you want to have a good season. Coach's responsibility to make sure the MD loss doesn't bleed over, isn't it?
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Post by royski on Nov 17, 2016 22:24:51 GMT -5
the 'fire thompson' chant is the highlight of the game That had just about as much class as the sign posted in McDonough early in JT Jr's career: zero. Right, let's criticize the students who JT3 has never won anything for, despite being paid $3 million a year. I think they should've broken out the "JT3" chant of yesteryear personally when we fell down by 20 to the mighty Arkansas State Red Wolves. If you're looking to be offended by something, I'd suggest choosing the product on the court.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 17, 2016 22:29:10 GMT -5
It's my opinion: classless and idiotic - and I stand by it. 3 games into a season - ridiculous. That's in no way an expression of contentment with the 'product on the court' tonight.
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Post by strummer8526 on Nov 17, 2016 22:30:44 GMT -5
the 'fire thompson' chant is the highlight of the game That had just about as much class as the sign posted in McDonough early in JT Jr's career: zero. Calling for a veteran coach to be held accountable for poor performance is as classless as directing a racial slur at a relatively new hire? Whatever you say.
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Post by This Just In on Nov 17, 2016 22:31:01 GMT -5
What is bothering me more than JT3's coaching is his recruiting. Look at all the duds we've had the last 5 years. Take away Otto and DSR (and possibly LJ) and we haven't had a real stud in years. Lubick, Hopkins, Domingo, Cameron, Ike, Campbell. Pryor reminds me of me playing intramurals. If you were dumb enough to pass me the ball you would never see it again. Mosley obviously can't shoot 3's. Jesse has Hopkins hands and is a disaster on D. Folks, we can't compete at this level with the guys we are recruiting. A lot of these guys were highly recruited. Copeland, Hopkins, Lubick, and Domingo all had several major programs going after them as well. I don't think we're picking duds necessarily (though our recruiting has certainly and predictably fallen off with our NCAA tournament performances). I think we don't develop the talent we have, other than occasionally at the center position.I think that is the biggest issue... I started to pay attention to that with Nate Lubick first and then watched other players like Hopper, Moses, Domingo, Cameron, Bowen that never seemed to reach their full potential.. Question: After what we are seeing, why can't Tre Mourning get some playing time?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 17, 2016 22:33:10 GMT -5
This week has been a disaster. Our hopes - and the hopes that the coach expressed - may well be horribly inflated.
I have to think it is pretty simple. We are not changing coaches 3 games into the season. But if this does not somehow turn around dramatically, into an NCAA bid and success, there will assuredly be tremendous pressure from the fan base, and very likely from donors, to make that change. The only thing that MIGHT (notice I did not say SHOULD) save him for another year could be the concern that Waters, and to a lesser extent Walker, might ask out. And even that might not be enough.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Nov 17, 2016 22:33:22 GMT -5
That's not even close to being comparable and you know that. A chant like that tonight would ring out in any professional or big time college arena after the continued failure of this type of program especially against far inferior programs. At some point you have to stop trying to defend it and see it for what it is. Time to turn the page. Cannot disagree more and it also shows an astonishing amount of unfounded entitlement and lack of perspective. The chant is certainly not classy but the underlying sentiment is reasonable. Even the most patient fans, of which I count myself one, have basically run out of it. Still lots of season left but the repeated mistakes, underachievement, and lack of fundamentals have persisted for years now. This was to me JTIII's make or break year and so far it's definitely break.
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Post by This Just In on Nov 17, 2016 22:35:37 GMT -5
Difficult challenges like Arkansas State, really tough to compete with teams like that. We need more Howard's & Florida A&M University's on the schedule.
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