the_way
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Post by the_way on May 14, 2005 17:02:00 GMT -5
1) Because Wallace's ship would extend past next year, I think it is still more of a question of a) whether he was promised it and b) how many we are looking to take in '06. 2) In contrast, if Owens doesn't return now, either he didn't want to, or III felt it was best to move on. But scholarship wise, it's a free scholarship since '05 recruiting is basically done. One thing to note is that if we had kept 13 scholarship players and Wallace, I think we would have had to cut a walk-on from possible play. I think roster sizes are limited to 16 dressing, and with Izzo, Beal, Kilkenny-Diaw and Wallace, that would've put us at 17. Obviously, it isn't a reason to make a decision, but this probably means those players still suit up next year. (Unless it is 15) I thought Kilkenny-Diaw and Beal were both on scholarship.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2005 17:02:40 GMT -5
I already PM'd Wilson and Dan with the adjusted matrix. I'll PM DFW as well. Jersey, just so's ya know, I think Dan and I have copies of the matrix, but I doubt Buffalo does. Jersey and others - thanks for the PM's, I appreciate the updates. I do the recruiting master list, but not the schollie table. As indicated, i think SF is all about that.
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nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on May 14, 2005 17:04:42 GMT -5
Drew Hall AND Ray Reed? Well, that certainly gives me cause to consider why I read FlHoya's recaps so religiously and have many saved on my computer. I'll check back into my archives to see if I can uncover anything about "Omari Faulker: The Next Hoya Great?" or "Ryan Beal and Ken Izzo: The Walkon Warriors."
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Post by Gold Hoya on May 14, 2005 17:09:30 GMT -5
Anytime a scholarship athlete [departs], it's a failure of the program and a failure for the University as a whole. Edited.I think that both of these transfers are more of a reflection of the macro college basketball environment (individual accomplishment) than of the micro situation at Georgetown. Players are more mobile than they were in the '80s - they view transfering as a chance for a better opportunity.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 14, 2005 17:14:00 GMT -5
I thought Kilkenny-Diaw and Beal were both on scholarship. No. Kilkenny-Diaw gets some portion of his tuition waived because his mother is a professor. However, since that aid is given without regard to his athletic ability, he is not on a basketball scholarship and is not a counter. Ryan Beal may or may not get the need-based or very limited academic aid Georgetown offers, but again, he gets no more or less than a non-basketball playing student with his same financial situation (maybe less, since work study is limited). If I remember, Ryan had very good grades in HS. He is also not a counter.
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Post by NCHoya on May 14, 2005 17:21:31 GMT -5
This feels like a good move for all parties involved. Reed is talented and will find a program that plays more to his style. Gibunda I have no comment on because I never saw him play except against BU where he looked so-so. Again, he seemed like he would be lost in a pass and shoot oriented Princetown system. We need all-around players and I think both of these guys lacked in key areas: shooting (Reed) and basketball IQ (Gibunda). That said, there is no reason either of these guys will not have solid college careers in a more friendly system. Good luck to them.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 14, 2005 17:37:14 GMT -5
So the roster now looks more or less like this next year:
Small Combos - PG/SG (4) - Cook, Sapp, Thornton, Wallace Swingmen - SG/SF (3) - Crawford, Egerson, Owens Combo Forwards SF/PF (3) - Bowman, Dizdarevic, Spann Bigs PF/C (3) - Green, Hibbert, Kilkenny-Diaw
And the year after:
Combos - PG/SG (4) - Rivers, Sapp, Thornton, Wallace Swingmen - SG/SF (2) - Crawford, Egerson Combo Forwards - SF/PF (3) - Dizdarevic, Ewing, Spann Bigs PF/C (2) - Green, Hibbert
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Post by vagrant on May 14, 2005 17:43:00 GMT -5
This week Bowman, Cook, and Reed were working out at the Cal State Fullerton Gym. It may have been coincidence since Fullerton is only an hour or so from Inglewood/Santa Monica, or maybe there is a reason they bypassed hundreds of gyms to get to Fullerton.
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on May 14, 2005 17:48:01 GMT -5
maybe they went to see their boy Bobby Brown?
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Post by vagrant on May 14, 2005 17:49:55 GMT -5
Maybe so.
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Post by Air Jordan on May 14, 2005 20:07:41 GMT -5
So does this mean we open up the doors for MACKLIN, SUMMERS, and JOHNSON. Oh man this is better than what I expected.
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Post by millerj9 on May 14, 2005 20:35:26 GMT -5
wow! although I expected cornelio, i wasnt convinced ray ray would transfer. ray should be able to find a fit with a program better suited to his style of play. I hope cornelio finds a suitable place. this does free up schollies...and with the expanding list of top recruits that view Gtown favorably, I think this bodes well for the program's future. anyone have any solid info on whether Owens will be back?
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on May 14, 2005 20:56:24 GMT -5
Based on what I've heard, it would be best to wait until an announcement is made on Owens. Chances are that anything posted on the message board would add too much speculative fuel to the fire, and most follow-ups would be premature.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on May 14, 2005 20:58:12 GMT -5
I already PM'd Wilson and Dan with the adjusted matrix. I'll PM DFW as well. Jersey, just so's ya know, I think Dan and I have copies of the matrix, but I doubt Buffalo does. SF, thanks. I was following the instructions at the top of the thread, figuring that the admin note applied to both pieces of the thread. I'll direct further inquiries to you. Rivers also has to be added, and I think Sapp has submitted his LOI.
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Post by FLHoya on May 14, 2005 22:46:21 GMT -5
Drew Hall AND Ray Reed? Well, that certainly gives me cause to consider why I read FlHoya's recaps so religiously and have many saved on my computer. I'll check back into my archives to see if I can uncover anything about "Omari Faulker: The Next Hoya Great?" or "Ryan Beal and Ken Izzo: The Walkon Warriors." Faulkner, Beal, and Izzo? Don't you mean FIZBE? ;D From the Elon game in 2003, the one at which I started calling those three by FIZBE: The one thing this game is going to be important for looking back on it is the ability it gave us to experiment with different lineups and formation. We saw the Sead-Courtland frontline, a lot of Matt Causey and Ray Reed, the return of Ramell Ross, Omari Faulkner: Defensive Juggernaut, Brandon Bowman as post player, CFree as high post passer. (At the Nova? game my freshman year, my roommate and I brought signs that said "Put Ramell In" and "Put Omari In". I had Omari.)
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Post by RBHoya on May 15, 2005 0:02:55 GMT -5
Mixed emotions here.
This is my first experience with transfers, having missed the Escherick era. After watching these guys all year and pulling for them, and envisioning the future WITH them for so long, its sad to see them go. RayRay is a player I really liked. A lot of other Hoya fans seemed pretty frustrated with Ray at times, and I can understand that. He was unorthodox on the offensive end, and always kept us holding our breath. But that's what made him such an interesting player to watch! That and the fact that he backed down from nobody on defense, doing an excellent job covering some of college basketball's best point guards. Rays from the hood and proud of that, and you could see that in his game. He was tough as nails, always. I hope his time at Georgetown had a positive influence on him, and I wish him nothing but the best wherever he ends up. I could certainly see Ray having a productive career at another DI program.
Cornelio didn't really see much action so it's tough to judge his game. He was ranked very highly out of high school, and he had the length to succeed. For whatever reason, it just didn't happen for him in his first year. Nonetheless, he still has 3 years of eligibility, and if he ends up in the right situation I see no reason why he won't succeed on and off the court. Best of luck to him as well.
As sad as it is to see these guys leave, it's probably good for the program overall. It's hard to see them go, and I think some fans get too caught up on scholarships and neglect the fact that this is a huge change in the lives of these players. However, there is merit to the scholarship talk. Both Reed and Guibunda were Escherick recruits. That means they were not necessarily the best fits for Coach Thompson's system. Their early departure gives III the chance to bring in some of "his own" guys, which is good for the team. It leads to at least one additional open scholarship to recruit in the class of 2006 (potentially curing our itch for one of Macklin, Thomas or Summers). It also bodes well for Jon, though nothing is set in stone. Those two things are very good news for the program.
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Post by FLHoya on May 15, 2005 1:09:50 GMT -5
hahaha, welcome to your first summer as a Georgetown fan, RB! Just a little upheaval to keep you awake during the summer.
In all seriousness, I wish these things wouldn't happen as often, for whatever reason they do. I think the two guys will have a good future wherever they land. Just hoping eventually we get to the point where we aren't wishing good futures on former Hoyas wherever they land as often.
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Post by ahoya3 on May 15, 2005 6:44:00 GMT -5
Guibunda won't be missed. He was totally lost whenever he did get on the court which was seldom.
Reed will be. I think he would have made excellent contributions this coming year. He showed great leaps in maturity and discipline last year. He played tough D and learned to control his wild drives. I think he will be missed more than folks think.
In general, I still view transfers as a huge minus for a program. It can lead to a cycle of instability which is hard to halt.
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Post by HoyaDestroya on May 15, 2005 7:08:50 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on May 15, 2005 7:31:42 GMT -5
RBHoya - great post on the transfers.
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