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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 20, 2016 17:31:37 GMT -5
*cough" Marcus *cough*
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 10:18:54 GMT -5
Yeah but Jagans not a point right now and a Frosh, White better served in a Point Forward role and Mulmore is an unknown. Personally don't think anybody on this board has seen enough to know either way what he will be. He might be better served as a spark off the bench than a steady hand at the start. Mulmore also has to show he can knock down jumpers or that driving ability can be lessened by good game planningIt all comes down to roles and what makes the team most effective. My point is none of this is set in stone and guys have a whole Summer to get right so we will see. Also there's a difference between starting and minutes. My belief is you have primary scores in Peak Pryor Govan and Ike. Most likely you will probably have at minimum 2 of those guys on the court at all times. Those are the guys who need to step up and lead us offensively. So who you put with those guys has to be someone who is going to make the game easier for them.
White would definitely be one of those guys in the Frontcourt. If he's being Dynamic creating for our scorers and offense is going through him in a Point Forward role maybe what makes you best is a kid that can spread the floor knock down a open Jumper, defer to those guys, play mistake free, and be a game manager like Wallace was. If guys are getting bottled up and stagnant like last year then you probably need more breakdown ability playmaking at the point and It's Mulmore. It's things we have to figure out and guys are going to have their opportunities. I think everything else is somewhat predictable and Tre has to show he can defend a lot better. Mulmore sounds and looks physically great but until I see more I'm not going to say he's a shoe in for anything other than competing for minutes. The competition should make both guys better and I think both enter with giant chips on their shoulders tbh... In terms of Mulmore having to show he can knock down the jumper consistently, I agree with that but if he's able to move the ball and create for teammates like the 6 APG states he has the ability to, then he's a much better option then at the PG then Tre. Tre has already demonstrated that he doesn't have the ability to drive consistently and finish at the rim or find teammates for easy baskets nor knock down jumpers. So Mulmore's already an upgrade. On your belief of the team's primary scores are Peak, Copeland, Pryor and Govan, I agree completely and that's why I said I would make the primary ball handlers/facilatators Mulmore, White, Peak and Mosely. With White and Mosely, they have great court vision and solid ball handling skills and the ability to attack the basket, so you can run the offense through them. Mulmore's 6 APG albeit at a lower level at least demonstrates the ability to make the game easier for teammates and he is known as a player who likes to get down hill into the lane and attack the basket, so you can run the offense through him as well. Peak will draw a lot attention and at times last year showed the ability to drive and kick to open teammates. All of the 4 previous players skill sets show that they sh be able to create outside the offense at the end of the shot clock or when the offense bogs down. All of what I have described above is more then Tre has shown in 2 years at Georgetown. If you iniate the offense through those 4 players primarily, it gives Campbell the opportunity to focus on what he has demonstrated he can do at a somewhat high level and that is being a catch and shoot perimeter player like he was as a freshman. IMO if Campbell accepts and tries to excel in that role, he will get to playing time. If he tries to play outside his abilities as a PG/iniator of offense, he won't play because he's not good at it and we potentially have 4 other players who can create offense for others better then Tre can. Tre will probably be the 5th best iniator/creator of offense on the roster. If that's true, he can't expect to get minutes, where he could be the team's best option as a floor spacing shooter competing with Reggie Cameron for those minutes. That's one of my points right there, "If"... We simply don't know what we have until we see it on the court have until we see it on the court. We all hope for the best but nobody can say for certain. Can't mention his asst number without mentioning his TO rate. Either way tough to scout a kid based on his statline at Juco without knowing how he got those stats. Tre averaged almost 7 assts per game at Peach Jam his Senior year and less than 1 turnover so.... Fit with those other guys matters as well Either way nothing wrong with competition and it should make all players competing for the position better. It's a long summer and all those guys Jagan included will have the opportunity to show their worth. "If" he understands who the go to guys are, spends his time getting them good shots, defending at a high rate, and not turning the ball over he should get his fair share of minutes but that could be said for anybody vying for that position...
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 23, 2016 8:23:53 GMT -5
Bump.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 23, 2016 9:27:31 GMT -5
Getting to the point where it is not out of the question that there could be two 'starting fives' but he end of the season (knock on wood that we've exhausted next year's injury quota this past year).
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Post by goyahoya69 on Apr 23, 2016 9:38:42 GMT -5
i think yaboy made a good point about the PG position still uncertain, given how new jagan/mulmore are to the system and how underwhelming tre has been. i think with hayes back, we know the other 4 spots pretty well: LJ pryor copeland hayes. peak absolutely HAS to start. if his fouling appears rampant like early last season, then a switch to the bench would seem reasonable. i assume pryor starts, otherwise i dont know why he would come here. copeland has to start or i really think we're looking at a mid-season transfer. and hayes will start over govan, at least in the beginning of the season.
as for that PG position, i think it will come down to mulmore or tre. if we want someone with a little more experience in our offense, i say JTIII starts tre. if we're looking to LETS THE DOGS RUN WILD, i'd say mulmore gets the nod. goodness, i just imagine us getting a rebound and turning it into an immediate fast break with peak mulmore pryor and copeland. i really do hope mulmore is good enough to start by day 1.
assuming no injuries, figuring out bench minutes is going to be really hard for the players and coaching staff. there are so many combinations to these lineups, how on earth can you try out every single one in practice and determine what's your best, 2nd best, and 3rd best lineup? sounds really, really difficult to me. but i guess that's why he gets paid the big bucks. if i were to guess, i'd say the odd men out for the season will be mourning, reggie, and of course, muresan.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 10:21:52 GMT -5
I know Gtown doesn't do these type of things but next year might be a good year to consider redshirting someone...
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Post by aristides on Apr 23, 2016 10:30:17 GMT -5
I'll guess Mulmore, Peak, Copeland, White, & Hayes. I think Mulmore starts because no one on last years roster was able to guard the point guard.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 23, 2016 10:30:59 GMT -5
I can easily see the concept of a two starting five.
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 23, 2016 11:18:32 GMT -5
Lots of people have white in the starting line up....I just don't see it for some reason. I see him anchoring the 2nd five however. With the way our offense struggled to score last year, I would imagine that jt3 would want our bigger scoring options in the first 5. I could see a first 5 of Mullmore, Peak, Pryor, Copeland and Hayes. Followed by Derrickson, White, Govan and Campbell as first four off the bench.
Truth is, I am sure jt3 will have to tinker with the starting line up several times over the course of the season.
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Post by calhoya on Apr 23, 2016 12:35:19 GMT -5
I know Gtown doesn't do these type of things but next year might be a good year to consider redshirting someone... My thought too, but seems highly unlikely given history with this staff. I know kids hate red-shirting but I am certain they hate losing the playing time even more. If the kid likes the school, a red-shirt year is no different than a transfer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 12:44:23 GMT -5
Lots of people have white in the starting line up....I just don't see it for some reason. I see him anchoring the 2nd five however. With the way our offense struggled to score last year, I would imagine that jt3 would want our bigger scoring options in the first 5. I could see a first 5 of Mullmore, Peak, Pryor, Copeland and Hayes. Followed by Derrickson, White, Govan and Campbell as first four off the bench. Truth is, I am sure jt3 will have to tinker with the starting line up several times over the course of the season. 5 scorers on the court with no-one who is capable of making those scorers get better easier looks is the wrong way to go imo... I'd prefer a balance of scorers and facilitators. Honestly think Paul is one of the most important players on this team. One of the reasons I never bought into the Marcus starting thing last year. Imo His IQ and passing ability were sorely missed Marcus is great but last year he took 60% of his shots from 3. Needs to spend the off season reminding himself of how versatile offensively he can be. Would like to see him being a beast 6-7 man and a major scoring option off the bench...
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Post by Eurostar on Apr 23, 2016 14:52:31 GMT -5
Will almost certainly be Campbell, Pryor, LJ, Copeland, Hayes. LJ, Copeland and Hayes are definite starters. Campbell will get the nod due to experience and Pryor due to 5th year senior and scoring ability. Would love to see us consistently press with Copeland at the top.
Second line no particular order would be Mulmore, White, Derrickson, Govan. Kaleb, Cameron, Akoy and Mourning would get less minutes unless someone gets injured.
The team is too deep next year to only play 7-8 guys in a slow paced offense. I think more running / fast breaks and defensive intensity / pressing is a must. JT3 is known for riding his best players with 35+ minutes per game. He cannot play LJ and Copeland for 35+ minutes per game with this lineup.
2015: DSR 35mpg, Copeland 32mpg 2014: DSR 34mpg 2013: Starks 37mpg, DSR 35mpg 2012: Porter 35mpg, Starks 34mpg 2011: Clark 33mpg, Thompson 31mpg 2010: Freeman 34mpg, Wright 33mpg, Clark 31mpg 2009: Freeman 35mpg, Monroe 34mpg, Wright 35mpg, Clark 33mpg
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 23, 2016 15:53:42 GMT -5
Will almost certainly be Campbell, Pryor, LJ, Copeland, Hayes. LJ, Copeland and Hayes are definite starters. Campbell will get the nod due to experience and Pryor due to 5th year senior and scoring ability. Would love to see us consistently press with Copeland at the top. Second line no particular order would be Mulmore, White, Derrickson, Govan. Kaleb, Cameron, Akoy and Mourning would get less minutes unless someone gets injured. The team is too deep next year to only play 7-8 guys in a slow paced offense. I think more running / fast breaks and defensive intensity / pressing is a must. JT3 is known for riding his best players with 35+ minutes per game. He cannot play LJ and Copeland for 35+ minutes per game with this lineup. 2015: DSR 35mpg, Copeland 32mpg 2014: DSR 34mpg 2013: Starks 37mpg, DSR 35mpg 2012: Porter 35mpg, Starks 34mpg 2011: Clark 33mpg, Thompson 31mpg 2010: Freeman 34mpg, Wright 33mpg, Clark 31mpg 2009: Freeman 35mpg, Monroe 34mpg, Wright 35mpg, Clark 33mpg If you play full court press you can just send wave after wave in because they will get tired quickly. And we don't really have to worry about foul trouble so we can press alot.
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 23, 2016 16:17:11 GMT -5
In terms of minutes, it's going to be tough going 14 deep. I see it playing out as follows:
Peak - 31 mpg Copeland - 29 mpg Pryor - 24 mpg Derrickson - 21 mpg White - 18 mpg Hayes - 17 mpg Govan - 15 mpg Campbell - 14 mpg Mullmore - 13 mpg Cameron - 5 mpg Johnson - 5 mpg Mourning - 4 mpg Agau - 2 mpg Mosely - 2 mpg
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 23, 2016 16:22:41 GMT -5
One thing is for sure if everyone stays healthy, this is a great problem to have.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 23, 2016 16:34:27 GMT -5
In terms of minutes, it's going to be tough going 14 deep. I see it playing out as follows: Peak - 31 mpg Copeland - 29 mpg Pryor - 24 mpg Derrickson - 21 mpg White - 18 mpg Hayes - 17 mpg Govan - 15 mpg Campbell - 14 mpg Mullmore - 13 mpg Cameron - 5 mpg Johnson - 5 mpg Mourning - 4 mpg Agau - 2 mpg Mosely - 2 mpg I think Agau will get alot more. Can play multiple positions. As will Mosely and Johnson. Peak and Copland will probably get less unless we get behind then Peak will get more. but in general with this many people you will probably see 25 max. Copeland depends which Copeland shows up next year. Same with Campbell. But that's the luxury we have now. If someone isn't producing we can go with the hot hand instead of being stuck playing someone in a slump or who is not productive.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 23, 2016 16:50:47 GMT -5
I know Gtown doesn't do these type of things but next year might be a good year to consider redshirting someone... Was thinking the same thing. And then I remembered thinking to myself during Trey's first season that III should have redshirted him then considering he wasn't playing him at all. We wouldn't be having this discussion about whether redshirting next season is a good, possible option if such a redshirt had taken place with Mourning two seasons ago. Ooops. That remark is going to upset folks as just more III-bashing on my part. My bad.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 23, 2016 16:52:18 GMT -5
One thing is for sure if everyone stays healthy, this is a great problem to have. It will be a headache too for the coach, but, yeah, you got a point.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 23, 2016 16:55:21 GMT -5
In terms of minutes, it's going to be tough going 14 deep. I see it playing out as follows: Peak - 31 mpg Copeland - 29 mpg Pryor - 24 mpg Derrickson - 21 mpg White - 18 mpg Hayes - 17 mpg Govan - 15 mpg Campbell - 14 mpg Mullmore - 13 mpg Cameron - 5 mpg Johnson - 5 mpg Mourning - 4 mpg Agau - 2 mpg Mosely - 2 mpg Geez. Even if we took away a few minutes from Peak it still wouldn't effect the logjam in the frontcourt. I really like your predictions for Pryor, Hayes, Govan ad White. Hmmm. Take more minutes from Campbell and allow White to be the primary ballhandler when the team goes big.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 16:59:01 GMT -5
Peak is the one kid that should play as much as possible, no reason to cut any of his minutes.. Depth is great but you still need guys to separate themselves from the rest or it doesn't work.
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