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Post by rockhoya on May 3, 2016 16:38:12 GMT -5
It is funny that people are judging the Hoya recruiting class as not "particularly strong." Guess it depends upon how you define recruiting class. In my mind the incoming recruiting class includes Mosley, Mulmore, Pryor, White and Akoy. White and Akoy were heralded recruits coming out of high school, Mulmore is national Juco scoring leader, Mosley the New Jersey player of the year and Pryor a highly ranked 5th year graduate transfer. Appreciate the optimism, but Georgetown fans routinely overestimate this team's talent level, way back to those who were sure Jerry Nichols was an NBA prospect (yes, there were people who said that) or that Tony Bethel was a all-Big East guard. We may all see Final Four talent but to a lot of people outside 20057 this is still a 15-18 team who lost their only dependable scorer. Jagan Mosely was Player of the Year...according to the web site NJ.com. Tyus Battle, Temple Gibbs, and Lauri Markkanen can also claim POY honors from other sites. Rodney Pryor was a good player on a thin RMU team last season. If Mosely and Mulmore step up and Peak doesn't get two fouls in the first three minutes of games, he might not get as much time as some would suggest. Jon Mulmore was second nationally in scoring average, which is promising but not a measure of four-year success. Last year's top juco scorer, Teyvon Myers, averaged just 2.4 ppg at West Virginia this season. Georgetown has a lot of very good, complimentary players but there hasn't been a legitimate top 20 recruit in the mix for years--the last was Greg Monroe in 2008. Isaac Copeland was #28, Paul White was #51 and L.J. Peak was #62 in their respective classes, while Govan and Derrickson clocked in at #42 and #93, respectively. A lot of good teams have similar or more highly rated talent and the key will be in performance, not their high school publicity. Tell that to Villanova
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Post by rockhoya on May 3, 2016 16:39:08 GMT -5
My hope is that this vision of the future plays out like the one in which the odds of Bradley Hayes getting a waiver were "about zero." (http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/686305/thread) Thanks for the well reasoned post. The strawman is always an easy choice. And yes, Bradley Hayes did not receive a medical hardship. Lol you were wrong just own it..
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 3, 2016 16:53:57 GMT -5
My hope is that this vision of the future plays out like the one in which the odds of Bradley Hayes getting a waiver were "about zero." (http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/686305/thread) Thanks for the well reasoned post. The strawman is always an easy choice. And yes, Bradley Hayes did not receive a medical hardship. Touchy Touchy!!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 4, 2016 10:03:54 GMT -5
If Hayes did not receive a medical hardship, what did he receive?
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Post by kchoya on May 4, 2016 12:22:40 GMT -5
Appreciate the optimism, but Georgetown fans routinely overestimate this team's talent level, way back to those who were sure Jerry Nichols was an NBA prospect (yes, there were people who said that) or that Tony Bethel was a all-Big East guard. We may all see Final Four talent but to a lot of people outside 20057 this is still a 15-18 team who lost their only dependable scorer. Jagan Mosely was Player of the Year...according to the web site NJ.com. Tyus Battle, Temple Gibbs, and Lauri Markkanen can also claim POY honors from other sites. Rodney Pryor was a good player on a thin RMU team last season. If Mosely and Mulmore step up and Peak doesn't get two fouls in the first three minutes of games, he might not get as much time as some would suggest. Jon Mulmore was second nationally in scoring average, which is promising but not a measure of four-year success. Last year's top juco scorer, Teyvon Myers, averaged just 2.4 ppg at West Virginia this season. Georgetown has a lot of very good, complimentary players but there hasn't been a legitimate top 20 recruit in the mix for years--the last was Greg Monroe in 2008. Isaac Copeland was #28, Paul White was #51 and L.J. Peak was #62 in their respective classes, while Govan and Derrickson clocked in at #42 and #93, respectively. A lot of good teams have similar or more highly rated talent and the key will be in performance, not their high school publicity. Wow. So Mosely was not unanimous player of the year! So let's all damper our enthusiasm here folks! Just wow. Appreciate the pessimism, but you sure are going out of your way to be a downer. There wasn't anything inaccurate in the post you felt compelled to throw the proverbial cold water on. Actually, there wasn't even anything controversial or even hyperbolic. As for Georgetown fans routinely overestimating the team's talent level... It's not isolated to Georgetown "fans." Most "fans" do that. Kinda goes with the territory of being a "fan." Agree. When was the last time DFW made a positive post about the program? Or Georgetown sports in general? He dumps on the basketball program and its players. He makes the same post about the MSF over and over. He complaints about the states of almost every other sports program at GU. Why even continue to be a fan?
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Post by kchoya on May 4, 2016 12:25:27 GMT -5
My hope is that this vision of the future plays out like the one in which the odds of Bradley Hayes getting a waiver were "about zero." (http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/686305/thread) Thanks for the well reasoned post. The strawman is always an easy choice. And yes, Bradley Hayes did not receive a medical hardship. Strawman? Ha! Pot, meet kettle. You're the one that said "I think Ben Standig has been reading too much HoyaTalk," yet Standig's article never said anything about a medical hardship.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 4, 2016 12:26:17 GMT -5
Agree. When was the last time DFW made a positive post about the program? Or Georgetown sports in general? He dumps on the basketball program and its players. He makes the same post about the MSF over and over. He complaints about the states of almost every other sports program at GU. Why even continue to be a fan? Not taking the bait...
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Post by kchoya on May 4, 2016 12:27:12 GMT -5
It is funny that people are judging the Hoya recruiting class as not "particularly strong." Guess it depends upon how you define recruiting class. In my mind the incoming recruiting class includes Mosley, Mulmore, Pryor, White and Akoy. White and Akoy were heralded recruits coming out of high school, Mulmore is national Juco scoring leader, Mosley the New Jersey player of the year and Pryor a highly ranked 5th year graduate transfer. Appreciate the optimism, but Georgetown fans routinely overestimate this team's talent level, way back to those who were sure Jerry Nichols was an NBA prospect (yes, there were people who said that) or that Tony Bethel was a all-Big East guard. We may all see Final Four talent but to a lot of people outside 20057 this is still a 15-18 team who lost their only dependable scorer. Jagan Mosely was Player of the Year...according to the web site NJ.com. Tyus Battle, Temple Gibbs, and Lauri Markkanen can also claim POY honors from other sites. Rodney Pryor was a good player on a thin RMU team last season. If Mosely and Mulmore step up and Peak doesn't get two fouls in the first three minutes of games, he might not get as much time as some would suggest. Jon Mulmore was second nationally in scoring average, which is promising but not a measure of four-year success. Last year's top juco scorer, Teyvon Myers, averaged just 2.4 ppg at West Virginia this season. Georgetown has a lot of very good, complimentary players but there hasn't been a legitimate top 20 recruit in the mix for years--the last was Greg Monroe in 2008. Isaac Copeland was #28, Paul White was #51 and L.J. Peak was #62 in their respective classes, while Govan and Derrickson clocked in at #42 and #93, respectively. A lot of good teams have similar or more highly rated talent and the key will be in performance, not their high school publicity. No one outside of Jerry Nichols and his family members ever thought he was a NBA prospect. No one.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 4, 2016 12:45:55 GMT -5
Appreciate the optimism, but Georgetown fans routinely overestimate this team's talent level, way back to those who were sure Jerry Nichols was an NBA prospect (yes, there were people who said that) or that Tony Bethel was a all-Big East guard. We may all see Final Four talent but to a lot of people outside 20057 this is still a 15-18 team who lost their only dependable scorer. Jagan Mosely was Player of the Year...according to the web site NJ.com. Tyus Battle, Temple Gibbs, and Lauri Markkanen can also claim POY honors from other sites. Rodney Pryor was a good player on a thin RMU team last season. If Mosely and Mulmore step up and Peak doesn't get two fouls in the first three minutes of games, he might not get as much time as some would suggest. Jon Mulmore was second nationally in scoring average, which is promising but not a measure of four-year success. Last year's top juco scorer, Teyvon Myers, averaged just 2.4 ppg at West Virginia this season. Georgetown has a lot of very good, complimentary players but there hasn't been a legitimate top 20 recruit in the mix for years--the last was Greg Monroe in 2008. Isaac Copeland was #28, Paul White was #51 and L.J. Peak was #62 in their respective classes, while Govan and Derrickson clocked in at #42 and #93, respectively. A lot of good teams have similar or more highly rated talent and the key will be in performance, not their high school publicity. No one outside of Jerry Nichols and his family members ever thought he was a NBA prospect. No one. Nichols was a big-time recruit coming out of Mississippi. Three time all-stater which only a handful of others had done (including Othella Harrington and Chris Jackson). Just because Nichols didn't turn out to be much as a Hoya doesn't mean he wasn't highly regarded at one point. www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1994/04/27/high-scoring-nichols-signs-with-the-hoyas/e53d3369-90b2-4424-95dc-843bc4f598e3/
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Post by hoyaboya on May 4, 2016 12:54:00 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on May 4, 2016 14:30:21 GMT -5
I repeat: No one outside of Jerry Nichols and his family members ever thought he was a NBA prospect. No one. Not even the guy who cleared the trays at the New South Cafeteria thought so.
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 4, 2016 15:06:54 GMT -5
I think you mean no one outside of Jerry, his family, Gtown, Kansas, Ohio St, Missouri, Miss st, and Mississippi....
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Post by guru on May 4, 2016 15:40:33 GMT -5
I repeat: No one outside of Jerry Nichols and his family members ever thought he was a NBA prospect. No one. Not even the guy who cleared the trays at the New South Cafeteria thought so. Honest question, kc: Were you following the Hoyas back in 1994 when Nichols signed? Seems like that would have been before your time as a Hoya, but maybe I'm wrong. In any case, fans were pretty excited about him, and to the extent that any highly recruited HS kid is an NBA "prospect," he most definitely was. Now, he turned out to not be anywhere close to one - but that's kind of DFW's point.
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Post by kchoya on May 4, 2016 16:07:51 GMT -5
I repeat: No one outside of Jerry Nichols and his family members ever thought he was a NBA prospect. No one. Not even the guy who cleared the trays at the New South Cafeteria thought so. Honest question, kc: Were you following the Hoyas back in 1994 when Nichols signed? Seems like that would have been before your time as a Hoya, but maybe I'm wrong. In any case, fans were pretty excited about him, and to the extent that any highly recruited HS kid is an NBA "prospect," he most definitely was. Now, he turned out to not be anywhere close to one - but that's kind of DFW's point. Yes, I was following the Hoyas back in 1994. Seriously, was a top 100 recruit? Yes. Did people think he was an NBA prospect? No.
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Post by kchoya on May 4, 2016 16:11:48 GMT -5
I think you mean no one outside of Jerry, his family, Gtown, Kansas, Ohio St, Missouri, Miss st, and Mississippi.... People in Kansas and Missouri didn't see him as a sure NBA prospect. Maybe his extended family in Mississippi. Look at the guy's stats. Nothing about him before or after coming to GU says "sure NBA prospect." Jerry Nichols GU Stats
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Post by eagle54 on May 4, 2016 23:04:21 GMT -5
Agree. When was the last time DFW made a positive post about the program? Or Georgetown sports in general? He dumps on the basketball program and its players. He makes the same post about the MSF over and over. He complaints about the states of almost every other sports program at GU. Why even continue to be a fan? Not taking the bait... Hey KC, are you just here to be the resident EDIT (I helped with that Dan). You are so positive about the Hoyas? You are just a Edited (I'll let you take that one Dan) that looks to be a contrarian. You add nothing to this board but your smug, condescending attitude makes you think you belong. I'm sure you're an alum as I met plenty of you while I attended. Go home and quit posting but know I'll be there whenever you do. Hoya Saxa.
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Post by kchoya on May 5, 2016 11:10:08 GMT -5
Hey KC, are you just here to be the resident EDIT (I helped with that Dan). You are so positive about the Hoyas? You are just a Edited (I'll let you take that one Dan) that looks to be a contrarian. You add nothing to this board but your smug, condescending attitude makes you think you belong. I'm sure you're an alum as I met plenty of you while I attended. Go home and quit posting but know I'll be there whenever you do. Hoya Saxa. Yes, I'm very positive about the Hoyas -- probably to a fault. That's rich that you, the resident debbie Downer on this board -- are calling someone else out for his attitude towards the program. I stand by my previous post. Find me a recent post where DFW was genuinely positive about anything having to do with the basketball program (or any other GU sports team). "[Q]uit posting but know I'll be there whenever you do." What is that? Sounds like a threat. Are you trying to make Dan lose his mind? Maybe there's an infectious disease that can account for your mental outlook. You should PM Dan.
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Post by BigmanU on May 5, 2016 11:18:38 GMT -5
How bout' that off season news Ladies?
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Post by eagle54 on May 5, 2016 11:22:12 GMT -5
Hey KC, are you just here to be the resident EDIT (I helped with that Dan). You are so positive about the Hoyas? You are just a Edited (I'll let you take that one Dan) that looks to be a contrarian. You add nothing to this board but your smug, condescending attitude makes you think you belong. I'm sure you're an alum as I met plenty of you while I attended. Go home and quit posting but know I'll be there whenever you do. Hoya Saxa. Yes, I'm very positive about the Hoyas -- probably to a fault. That's rich that you, the resident debbie Downer on this board -- are calling someone else out for his attitude towards the program. I stand by my previous post. Find me a recent post where DFW was genuinely positive about anything having to do with the basketball program (or any other GU sports team). "[Q]uit posting but know I'll be there whenever you do." What is that? Sounds like a threat. Are you trying to make Dan lose his mind? Maybe there's an infectious disease that can account for your mental outlook. You should PM Dan. Very rich of you to post a response. Thank you for explaining that as you really don't come across overly positive on anything just a contrarian to anyone else who posts. As far as DFW, I think he posts some good content and has a fairly realistic view of our current state of affairs. Until something positive happens people are going to be critical just the reality of our situation. I did PM Dan as my new working theory is Dan and KC are one in the same. I think I'm on to something here.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 13:02:38 GMT -5
I don't see much wrong with DFW's post other than the Part about Pryor... Pryor plays 2-3 so Mulmore will have no effect on his minutes at all. Also agree with Eagle fanbases tend to overvalue their own mainly because their own is what they're focused on and they don't really know what else is out there. How many FSU or Purdue games are you catching in November December etc...
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