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Post by FromTheBeginning on Apr 25, 2016 16:46:28 GMT -5
You are also looking at a man who is an executive with an NBA team and who has a realistic view of what Tre's basketball future is after college - he might not want his kid bouncing around the D league or some remote port of call overseas when he could be getting a head start on his life's work.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 25, 2016 16:54:04 GMT -5
Tre Mourning (and dad?) must be doing some serious soul searching. Does he stay and maybe get 5-10 minutes a game or transfer to a school where he can showcase his talent?
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 25, 2016 20:16:39 GMT -5
More reason to consider the return of Hayes as serious concern for the Mournings. This has to come as a surprise to them. Granted they don't look at this board when making decisions about Trey's future but they have to realize that last year he was 3rd off the bench last year and unless Govan or Hayes are injured he will be 3rd off the bench again. So yes they have to balance any decision to transfer against their loyalty to GU. Certainly possible. Just as possible - Zo looks Trey in the eye and tells him to work so hard and improve so much that you force yourself into the line up. But according to fans on this board it is virtually impossible for Trey to leap ahead of anyone, including a dude who sat out all year because of injury and yet everyone has him ahead of Trey. Go figure. Why would Zo waste his time trying to convince Trey of the impossible? Unless....it is possible.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 25, 2016 20:37:56 GMT -5
You are also looking at a man who is an executive with an NBA team and who has a realistic view of what Tre's basketball future is after college - he might not want his kid bouncing around the D league or some remote port of call overseas when he could be getting a head start on his life's work. Which is why Zo hired that elite trainer last summer to work with Trey on drills and stuff, a trainer who works with pros, right? Because he wanted Try to be prepared to look for a job in the real world as soon as he graduated from college? Zo saw his son light up teams in high school. Granted it was a weak league, but no one looks at their son be so dominant at that level and at least not seriously consider the possibility that their son may have a pro career in the USA. If Trey had been coming off the bench in high school or was the fourth best scorer on such a team then perhaps by now Zo would have long accepted that Trey didn't have a shot. But instead he saw his son put up great numbers and surely he came across people praising his son like crazy. Even if those folks were exaggerating or had no clue about how good one has to be to make it to the NBA, hearing that stuff still likely was appreciated by Zo and further encouraged him to dream big for his son. And while we can debate just how serious Duke or Florida wanted Trey the truth is they both still offered him a scholarship which would further cement the notion that "hey, maybe my boy can really, really play." Another thing that could possibly encourage Zo was that arguably his son's best games last season (against Duke, at Providence) were the games in which his son got way more minutes than normal. Which could lead even the most rational parent to think "hmm, if only they were giving my son more time like that more often." Come on. What parent wouldn't be guilty of thinking that. And those two opponents both made it to at least the second round of the NCAAs. Look, no matter what many of you think of Trey there is one thing undeniable: He's a 6'9 kid who has a MONEY midrange jumpshot. Textbook perfect shooting, almost automatic, small sampling size my a**. If he never becomes much more than a backup big off the bench who could get major minutes taking such shots then even that is something most teams in the NCAA last season could use. So there would be suitors and I wouldn't blame the Mournings from pursuing the option or at least looking into it. But if he becomes more; if he starts looking like his highschool self and adding turnaround baseline jumpers and more postups, all the while beefing up and getting stronger in the paint, then what you may have is an ideal stretch big man for the college level who, if given enough time on the court, may develop enough to get a serious look at the next level. And considering the pedigree and the advantage he has of a father and "uncles" (Pat, Deke, Big John) who can instruct him on where to improve and how to improve, is that so out of the question?
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 25, 2016 21:05:26 GMT -5
You are also looking at a man who is an executive with an NBA team and who has a realistic view of what Tre's basketball future is after college - he might not want his kid bouncing around the D league or some remote port of call overseas when he could be getting a head start on his life's work. Which is why Zo hired that elite trainer last summer to work with Trey on drills and stuff, a trainer who works with pros, right? Because he wanted Try to be prepared to look for a job in the real world as soon as he graduated from college? Zo saw his son light up teams in high school. Granted it was a weak league, but no one looks at their son be so dominant at that level and at least not seriously consider the possibility that their son may have a pro career in the USA. If Trey had been coming off the bench in high school or was the fourth best scorer on such a team then perhaps by now Zo would have long accepted that Trey didn't have a shot. But instead he saw his son put up great numbers and surely he came across people praising his son like crazy. Even if those folks were exaggerating or had no clue about how good one has to be to make it to the NBA, hearing that stuff still likely was appreciated by Zo and further encouraged him to dream big for his son. And while we can debate just how serious Duke or Florida wanted Trey the truth is they both still offered him a scholarship which would further cement the notion that "hey, maybe my boy can really, really play." Another thing that could possibly encourage Zo was that arguably his son's best games last season (against Duke, at Providence) were the games in which his son got way more minutes than normal. Which could lead even the most rational parent to think "hmm, if only they were giving my son more time like that more often." Come on. What parent wouldn't be guilty of thinking that. And those two opponents both made it to at least the second round of the NCAAs. Look, no matter what many of you think of Trey there is one thing undeniable: He's a 6'9 kid who has a MONEY midrange jumpshot. Textbook perfect shooting, almost automatic, small sampling size my a**. If he never becomes much more than a backup big off the bench who could get major minutes taking such shots then even that is something most teams in the NCAA last season could use. So there would be suitors and I wouldn't blame the Mournings from pursuing the option or at least looking into it. But if he becomes more; if he starts looking like his highschool self and adding turnaround baseline jumpers and more postups, all the while beefing up and getting stronger in the paint, then what you may have is an ideal stretch big man for the college level who, if given enough time on the court, may develop enough to get a serious look at the next level. And considering the pedigree and the advantage he has of a father and "uncles" (Pat, Deke, Big John) who can instruct him on where to improve and how to improve, is that so out of the question? I doubt playing time will be decided by anything but how guys compete before the season starts. Perhaps Little Zo's mindset is like his dad's -- bring it on. Not everyone gets scared by competition -- some thrive on it. If he shows out, he will play. He already understands positioning and spacing better than a lot of our other players, and as MCI said, he has a sweet midrange jumper, especially for a guy his size, which makes it difficult to defend. He justified his greater playing time as the year went on last year, and I have a feeling he'll be aiming to increase it by the absolutely best way possible, by earning it in practice and the weight room. In addition, I like the options he gives us, if he can keep the fouling down to reasonable levels, since his tools are different from some of the other guys we have at his size. Different lineups for different situations = fewer droughts during games.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 25, 2016 21:18:18 GMT -5
Which is why Zo hired that elite trainer last summer to work with Trey on drills and stuff, a trainer who works with pros, right? Because he wanted Try to be prepared to look for a job in the real world as soon as he graduated from college? Zo saw his son light up teams in high school. Granted it was a weak league, but no one looks at their son be so dominant at that level and at least not seriously consider the possibility that their son may have a pro career in the USA. If Trey had been coming off the bench in high school or was the fourth best scorer on such a team then perhaps by now Zo would have long accepted that Trey didn't have a shot. But instead he saw his son put up great numbers and surely he came across people praising his son like crazy. Even if those folks were exaggerating or had no clue about how good one has to be to make it to the NBA, hearing that stuff still likely was appreciated by Zo and further encouraged him to dream big for his son. And while we can debate just how serious Duke or Florida wanted Trey the truth is they both still offered him a scholarship which would further cement the notion that "hey, maybe my boy can really, really play." Another thing that could possibly encourage Zo was that arguably his son's best games last season (against Duke, at Providence) were the games in which his son got way more minutes than normal. Which could lead even the most rational parent to think "hmm, if only they were giving my son more time like that more often." Come on. What parent wouldn't be guilty of thinking that. And those two opponents both made it to at least the second round of the NCAAs. Look, no matter what many of you think of Trey there is one thing undeniable: He's a 6'9 kid who has a MONEY midrange jumpshot. Textbook perfect shooting, almost automatic, small sampling size my a**. If he never becomes much more than a backup big off the bench who could get major minutes taking such shots then even that is something most teams in the NCAA last season could use. So there would be suitors and I wouldn't blame the Mournings from pursuing the option or at least looking into it. But if he becomes more; if he starts looking like his highschool self and adding turnaround baseline jumpers and more postups, all the while beefing up and getting stronger in the paint, then what you may have is an ideal stretch big man for the college level who, if given enough time on the court, may develop enough to get a serious look at the next level. And considering the pedigree and the advantage he has of a father and "uncles" (Pat, Deke, Big John) who can instruct him on where to improve and how to improve, is that so out of the question? I doubt playing time will be decided by anything but how guys compete before the season starts. Perhaps Little Zo's mindset is like his dad's -- bring it on. Not everyone gets scared by competition -- some thrive on it. If he shows out, he will play. He already understands positioning and spacing better than a lot of our other players, and as MCI said, he has a sweet midrange jumper, especially for a guy his size, which makes it difficult to defend. He justified his greater playing time as the year went on last year, and I have a feeling he'll be aiming to increase it by the absolutely best way possible, by earning it in practice and the weight room. In addition, I like the options he gives us, if he can keep the fouling down to reasonable levels, since his tools are different from some of the other guys we have at his size. Different lineups for different situations = fewer droughts during games. A lot of good points by both posters. The only thing I would disagree with is Zo's expectations/view of Tre. It's not like Zo is a parent that had a little bit of success at a sport and his son is now surpassing him or has shown the natural ability to do so such that his hopes may be unrealistic. Alonzo is a Hall of Famer that was more physically gifted than 99% of the population which includes his son. Zo would eat Trey's lunch for him tonight if they played one on one judging by the shape Alonzo is in. That's not at all a knock on Trey. His dad was a beast and an elite player. We don't yet know what Trey can do and I agree with those that are hoping he gets more minutes. Not because of his last name but because of what he's already shown. That said, he has competition. But he doesn't have a guy like his dad in front of him. If he hasn't already earned the minutes in the eyes of the staff, if he puts in the same type of work this summer that he did last summer, there's no way he won't be seeing a sizable uptick in his minutes.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 25, 2016 22:28:54 GMT -5
Man, you guys on this board just crack me up. This is so entertaining...please don't stop. I especially like how you two are going pretend like you'll know the operation of Alonzo's mind.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 25, 2016 22:53:42 GMT -5
Man, you guys on this board just crack me up. This is so entertaining...please don't stop. I especially like how you two are going pretend like you'll know the operation of Alonzo's mind. Glad you are enjoying yourself. This has obviously been pure speculation by those who feel Zo is thinking one way and those who think Zo could be thinking another. The posts make that clear, so what's the big deal? Is it any different than assuming all year long what the players or the coaches are thinking? Of course not.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 26, 2016 0:26:03 GMT -5
Man, you guys on this board just crack me up. This is so entertaining...please don't stop. I especially like how you two are going pretend like you'll know the operation of Alonzo's mind. Glad you are enjoying yourself. This has obviously been pure speculation by those who feel Zo is thinking one way and those who think Zo could be thinking another. The posts make that clear, so what's the big deal? Is it any different than assuming all year long what the players or the coaches are thinking? Of course not. LOL!
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 26, 2016 7:30:27 GMT -5
I mean, I know a fifth year was a surprise to us but I doubt it was much of a surprise for anyone on the team...
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 26, 2016 8:17:37 GMT -5
It was a surprise to many on the team ....including staff. While it had been in the works for a while...only a select few knew what was going on.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 26, 2016 9:07:52 GMT -5
Glad you are enjoying yourself. This has obviously been pure speculation by those who feel Zo is thinking one way and those who think Zo could be thinking another. The posts make that clear, so what's the big deal? Is it any different than assuming all year long what the players or the coaches are thinking? Of course not. LOL! Hey it's 7 months until things get real so cut us some slack. It's what being a fan during the off season is all about, speculating on how what is happening now will affect us then. Jump on in the waters warm!
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 26, 2016 9:27:21 GMT -5
Man, you guys on this board just crack me up. This is so entertaining...please don't stop. I especially like how you two are going pretend like you'll know the operation of Alonzo's mind. Glad you are enjoying yourself. This has obviously been pure speculation by those who feel Zo is thinking one way and those who think Zo could be thinking another. The posts make that clear, so what's the big deal? Is it any different than assuming all year long what the players or the coaches are thinking? Of course not. It's not a big deal. Some of us just find it humorously entertaining.
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Post by guru on Apr 26, 2016 9:33:15 GMT -5
It was a surprise to many on the team ....including staff. While it had been in the works for a while...only a select few knew what was going on. Hmm. Wonder who on the staff wasn't aware...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 26, 2016 10:00:27 GMT -5
Hey it's 7 months until things get real so cut us some slack. It's what being a fan during the off season is all about, speculating on how what is happening now will affect us then. Jump on in the waters warm! I am a little concerned about WHY the water is so warm in April. What are the people in the water doing in there??
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 26, 2016 10:04:18 GMT -5
It was a surprise to many on the team ....including staff. While it had been in the works for a while...only a select few knew what was going on. I would speculate that those who knew that the application had been made did not want to spread the word in case it was unsuccessful. That said - lic knew what was going on. I am going to have to work harder to try to decipher his posts for hidden clues about the program.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 11:50:57 GMT -5
It was a surprise to many on the team ....including staff. While it had been in the works for a while...only a select few knew what was going on. I would speculate that those who knew that the application had been made did not want to spread the word in case it was unsuccessful. That said - lic knew what was going on. I am going to have to work harder to try to decipher his posts for hidden clues about the program. Oo Think we just figured out who writes the Waivers for the University.. Holy crap it all makes sense now!!!
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 26, 2016 14:18:29 GMT -5
Hey it's 7 months until things get real so cut us some slack. It's what being a fan during the off season is all about, speculating on how what is happening now will affect us then. Jump on in the waters warm! No, no, no, I mean it--I am really enjoying this. Granted, I am coming late to the after-the-bouncing-ball-stops-bouncing party. Glad to know the water is warm. Thanks!
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