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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 12, 2016 7:48:47 GMT -5
Or maybe they all agree last year was DSR's fault and want a chance to play togetber without him. Is that good or bad? Of course, which raises another interesting point if this analysis holds any water: what kind of on the court leader was DSR?
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Post by jld on Apr 12, 2016 8:04:08 GMT -5
DSR was a very good college player. He was limited by the lack of overall talent on the team two of his four years. He came in as a scorer and worked to become a better distributor. The problem was that he was limited athletically from being a drive and dish PG, and when he did make good passes, teammates often lacked the ability to make the shot.
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 12, 2016 9:16:09 GMT -5
DSR was a very good college player. He was limited by the lack of overall talent on the team two of his four years. He came in as a scorer and worked to become a better distributor. The problem was that he was limited athletically from being a drive and dish PG, and when he did make good passes, teammates often lacked the ability to make the shot. Blaming last years bad season on DSR is really unfair. He was a really good college player for the Hoyas for 4 years. He had strengths and limitations, and unfortunately for him, and the team, those qualities did not fit well with the rest of the team last year. He represented the school well and had some really memorable moments in his career. Was he part of the issue with last years' team? Sure, but there were plenty of issues with the team and placing a lot of the blame on him is just not right.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 12, 2016 10:42:46 GMT -5
DSR was a very good college player. He was limited by the lack of overall talent on the team two of his four years. He came in as a scorer and worked to become a better distributor. The problem was that he was limited athletically from being a drive and dish PG, and when he did make good passes, teammates often lacked the ability to make the shot. Blaming last years bad season on DSR is really unfair. He was a really good college player for the Hoyas for 4 years. He had strengths and limitations, and unfortunately for him, and the team, those qualities did not fit well with the rest of the team last year. He represented the school well and had some really memorable moments in his career. Was he part of the issue with last years' team? Sure, but there were plenty of issues with the team and placing a lot of the blame on him is just not right. Yeah Kick a man on his way out the door. Nice.
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Post by hoya1984 on Apr 12, 2016 10:57:22 GMT -5
I am pleasantly surprise that none of the players are transferring . Now we need to get them ready for next year in a system that they can excel.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Apr 12, 2016 11:03:30 GMT -5
Young man gave four years to to the basketball team I am a fan of ,so I applaud him. He was a scoring guard forced to play pg by his coach. So if there is any blame for lack of chemistry with the other players, then that goes on the coach not him. God luck to him in the future.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 12, 2016 11:09:33 GMT -5
Young man gave four years to to the basketball team I am a fan of ,so I applaud him. He was a scoring guard forced to play pg by his coach. So if there is any blame for lack of chemistry with the other players, then that goes on the coach not him. God luck to him in the future. Are you kidding me? Everyone, including DSR, knew that his only shot at the NBA was at PG. Coach gave him the opportunity to peruse his dream and it failed, you can blame JT3 for giving DSR that opportunity but that's what you do when you recruit a HS player: tell them you will help them achieve their dreams. Every single other player on the roster now knew coming in that DSR was attempting to transition to more of a PG type player. JT3 doesn't monitor every interaction between players, he has no control of any off-court chemistry.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 12, 2016 11:27:45 GMT -5
Young man gave four years to to the basketball team I am a fan of ,so I applaud him. He was a scoring guard forced to play pg by his coach. So if there is any blame for lack of chemistry with the other players, then that goes on the coach not him. God luck to him in the future. Are you kidding me? Everyone, including DSR, knew that his only shot at the NBA was at PG. Coach gave him the opportunity to peruse his dream and it failed, you can blame JT3 for giving DSR that opportunity but that's what you do when you recruit a HS player: tell them you will help them achieve their dreams. Every single other player on the roster now knew coming in that DSR was attempting to transition to more of a PG type player. JT3 doesn't monitor every interaction between players, he has no control of any off-court chemistry. DSR played the lead guard role because he was the most suited player for the task.. It had nothing to do with his pro aspirations at all imo.. He did avg 5.2 apg & had a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio in 18 league games.. Not bad for a non facilitator
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Post by kchoya on Apr 12, 2016 13:15:21 GMT -5
I am pleasantly surprise that none of the players are transferring . Why do we keep tempting fate by making comments like this, and by keeping this thread open (even if just to kick DSR on his way out the door)?
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 12, 2016 13:21:31 GMT -5
Young man gave four years to to the basketball team I am a fan of ,so I applaud him. He was a scoring guard forced to play pg by his coach. So if there is any blame for lack of chemistry with the other players, then that goes on the coach not him. God luck to him in the future. Are you kidding me? Everyone, including DSR, knew that his only shot at the NBA was at PG. Coach gave him the opportunity to peruse his dream and it failed, you can blame JT3 for giving DSR that opportunity but that's what you do when you recruit a HS player: tell them you will help them achieve their dreams. Every single other player on the roster now knew coming in that DSR was attempting to transition to more of a PG type player. JT3 doesn't monitor every interaction between players, he has no control of any off-court chemistry. The other option at point guard averaged 4.1 points and 1.7 assists per game and shot 30% from the field and 27% from three. DSR had to play point. And, honestly, if Tre had shown up and Ike hadn't turned into a version of Aaron Bowen that thought he was a three point specialist, we wouldn't be talking about how bad our offense was.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 12, 2016 13:36:42 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? Everyone, including DSR, knew that his only shot at the NBA was at PG. Coach gave him the opportunity to peruse his dream and it failed, you can blame JT3 for giving DSR that opportunity but that's what you do when you recruit a HS player: tell them you will help them achieve their dreams. Every single other player on the roster now knew coming in that DSR was attempting to transition to more of a PG type player. JT3 doesn't monitor every interaction between players, he has no control of any off-court chemistry. The other option at point guard averaged 4.1 points and 1.7 assists per game and shot 30% from the field and 27% from three. DSR had to play point. And, honestly, if Tre had shown up and Ike hadn't turned into a version of Aaron Bowen that thought he was a three point specialist, we wouldn't be talking about how bad our offense was. Very true but the reason we only had one other true guard on the roster is because the staff and DSR believed he could make the transition to PG given enough time.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 12, 2016 13:42:51 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? Everyone, including DSR, knew that his only shot at the NBA was at PG. Coach gave him the opportunity to peruse his dream and it failed, you can blame JT3 for giving DSR that opportunity but that's what you do when you recruit a HS player: tell them you will help them achieve their dreams. Every single other player on the roster now knew coming in that DSR was attempting to transition to more of a PG type player. JT3 doesn't monitor every interaction between players, he has no control of any off-court chemistry. DSR played the lead guard role because he was the most suited player for the task.. It had nothing to do with his pro aspirations at all imo.. He did avg 5.2 apg & had a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio in 18 league games.. Not bad for a non facilitator He was the most suited player for the task because the staff and he believed that he could do the task. It's part of the reason why we were thin on PGs, everyone believed the two we had on the roster could carry the load. If there were doubts from the staff, they would have pushed for more guard recruits sooner. Additionally, DSR clearly doesn't have the physical make-up to play in the NBA but to have even a sniff of it, he couldn't be a pure SG. Maybe the reason wasn't entirely NBA consideration but DSR definitely transitioned from a pure SG to more of a CG/PG. I also do agree he actually did a solid job facilitating this year, unfortunately it detracted from other parts of his game (can't distribute great when going for a step-back jumper).
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 12, 2016 14:15:31 GMT -5
I am pleasantly surprise that none of the players are transferring . Why do we keep tempting fate by making comments like this, and by keeping this thread open (even if just to kick DSR on his way out the door)? Could you please let us have some kick-around fun!
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Post by seaweed on Apr 12, 2016 14:39:49 GMT -5
Blaming last years bad season on DSR is really unfair. He was a really good college player for the Hoyas for 4 years. He had strengths and limitations, and unfortunately for him, and the team, those qualities did not fit well with the rest of the team last year. He represented the school well and had some really memorable moments in his career. Was he part of the issue with last years' team? Sure, but there were plenty of issues with the team and placing a lot of the blame on him is just not right. Yeah Kick a man on his way out the door. Nice. As the guy who threw the idea of blaming DSR out there, let me just observe that I was not saying that was the problem, merely saying that it was possible the remaining players felt like his graduation would result in addition by subtraction. How I feel about DSR has nothing to do with it and nobody has really thrown him under the bus. I have no clew what the team dynamic is and the underclassmen could all be kicking themselves for letting down their senior stud. Nobody knows, so we are just tossing ideas out. Don't take that as an indictment of DSR or anyone else - to paraphrase Freud, "it was just a theory..." (Ok, that is actually a quote from a Northern Exposure episode about Freud, but let's go with it...) 123 Fireballs
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 12, 2016 14:40:24 GMT -5
DSR played the lead guard role because he was the most suited player for the task.. It had nothing to do with his pro aspirations at all imo.. He did avg 5.2 apg & had a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio in 18 league games.. Not bad for a non facilitator He was the most suited player for the task because the staff and he believed that he could do the task. It's part of the reason why we were thin on PGs, everyone believed the two we had on the roster could carry the load. If there were doubts from the staff, they would have pushed for more guard recruits sooner. Additionally, DSR clearly doesn't have the physical make-up to play in the NBA but to have even a sniff of it, he couldn't be a pure SG. Maybe the reason wasn't entirely NBA consideration but DSR definitely transitioned from a pure SG to more of a CG/PG. I also do agree he actually did a solid job facilitating this year, unfortunately it detracted from other parts of his game (can't distribute great when going for a step-back jumper). The lack of guards on the roster is on the staff not DSR, he had nothing to do with them failing to have a well balanced roster.. He did transition to a bigger facilitator role but again that was only because he was the best player for the job.. Do you think if Markel was still in the team last season, DSR would have played the lead guy primarily? No way imo.. Playing the lead did make him less efficient but it was a lesser of two evils scenario.. Even this isn't his fault, he did what was asked if him offensively..
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 12, 2016 14:48:57 GMT -5
Yeah Kick a man on his way out the door. Nice. As the guy who threw the idea of blaming DSR out there, let me just observe that I was not saying that was the problem, merely saying that it was possible the remaining players felt like his graduation would result in addition by subtraction. How I feel about DSR has nothing to do with it and nobody has really thrown him under the bus. I have no clew what the team dynamic is and the underclassmen could all be kicking themselves for letting down their senior stud. Nobody knows, so we are just tossing ideas out. Don't take that as an indictment of DSR or anyone else - to paraphrase Freud, "it was just a theory..." (Ok, that is actually a quote from a Northern Exposure episode about Freud, but let's go with it...) 123 Fireballs Fair enough; I felt that hypothesizing that the returning guys "thought it was his [DSR's] fault" was not the best phrase. I recognize that it is certainly possible some younger players deferred to DSR a little too much, and/or that a different pace/style might be more available next season that could allow some guys to step up and produce more.
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Post by Filo on Apr 12, 2016 16:12:49 GMT -5
He was the most suited player for the task because the staff and he believed that he could do the task. It's part of the reason why we were thin on PGs, everyone believed the two we had on the roster could carry the load. If there were doubts from the staff, they would have pushed for more guard recruits sooner. Additionally, DSR clearly doesn't have the physical make-up to play in the NBA but to have even a sniff of it, he couldn't be a pure SG. Maybe the reason wasn't entirely NBA consideration but DSR definitely transitioned from a pure SG to more of a CG/PG. I also do agree he actually did a solid job facilitating this year, unfortunately it detracted from other parts of his game (can't distribute great when going for a step-back jumper). The lack of guards on the roster is on the staff not DSR, he had nothing to do with them failing to have a well balanced roster.. He did transition to a bigger facilitator role but again that was only because he was the best player for the job.. Do you think if Markel was still in the team last season, DSR would have played the lead guy primarily? No way imo.. Playing the lead did make him less efficient but it was a lesser of two evils scenario.. Even this isn't his fault, he did what was asked if him offensively.. Yeah, I want to echo this sentiment. Whatever one may think about DSR's role as a point guard, it seems fairly obvious that he was more suited to a shooting guard role at the college level. At the very least, I believe he would have been much more productive if he had less ball-handling and play-making responsibilities. Like certain other players throughout the JTIII years, he was forced to play out-of-position, and that is on the staff. To turn it around and attempt to portray it as DSR wanting to do it because that would help his NBA stock is disingenuous.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 12, 2016 17:01:13 GMT -5
Well let's all hope that the staff gets way more aggressive with stacking this team from top to bottom, being proactive, and really changing the style of play.
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Post by beenaround on Apr 12, 2016 17:11:25 GMT -5
This is one crazy, rambling, thread. Perfect for HT in the offseason.
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 12, 2016 22:12:03 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? Everyone, including DSR, knew that his only shot at the NBA was at PG. Coach gave him the opportunity to peruse his dream and it failed, you can blame JT3 for giving DSR that opportunity but that's what you do when you recruit a HS player: tell them you will help them achieve their dreams. Every single other player on the roster now knew coming in that DSR was attempting to transition to more of a PG type player. JT3 doesn't monitor every interaction between players, he has no control of any off-court chemistry. DSR played the lead guard role because he was the most suited player for the task.. It had nothing to do with his pro aspirations at all imo.. He did avg 5.2 apg & had a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio in 18 league games.. Not bad for a non facilitator I'm with Etomic on this one. Coach played DSR at PG because it was our only chance to be a really good team. Especially after Tre and Paul started the season on the IR. The team started off playing decent but once Brad went down we loss our floor balance and Jessie wasn't quite ready for primetime. My only issue with DSR is that I believe that he really doesn't buy in defensively. In my opinion if the leader doesn't buy in defensively the team won't either. But having said that, I like DSR's game and think that he will be successful overseas for a long time............
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