GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 5, 2016 15:07:43 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see if we go to a havoc style defense next year. Maybe pry an old or current assistant away from Shaka. We are not getting any bigger and some more conditioning with Govan and Derrickson makes us not unlike some of VCU's teams in the past.
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vv83
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Post by vv83 on Mar 5, 2016 15:12:08 GMT -5
Just did some quick math:
-before Hayes got hurt, we gave up about 71 points a game in BE play -after Hayes got hurt, we gave up about 83 points a game in BE play
The D was bad with Hayes, but it was really awful without him. Govan struggled pretty badly down the stretch on both sides of the ball. Not too surprising for a fairly raw freshman big who got thrown into a much bigger role than he was really ready for, and who was probably wearing down a bit as the season progressed. But a real concern for the future - Jesse needs to get a whole lot better on D if we want to improve defensively in any significant way next year.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 5, 2016 15:15:10 GMT -5
Wow, do we stink.
I have never seen a worse half-court zone defense at this level. It is incredible. As we all know from watching games against Cuse, those hi-low passes from post to post are always there, but they take split-second timing and execution. Not against our zone. When the ball gets to the high post (and, boy, does it ever get to the high post), it's as though our players think that little restricted-area semi-circle around the hoop means they can't ever go in there. What's even more incredible than our zone defense? The fact that our M2M might be worse!!
Our passing continues to stink. True story: Tre was trying to enter the ball to someone (maybe Marcus?) in the second half. Marcus was fronted and he faked the pass. On the fake, someone else came from behind. Once that player had successfully sandwiched in our post player, Tre threw it. Amazing.
God bless LJ. Played great. If someone -- anyone -- else had shown up to play offense today in any meaningful way, we may have actually competed even though we play defense as though the opposing team has ebola virus smeared on them.
Speaking of LJ, I'm all for him starting at this point, too. Yes, he's basically playing starters' minutes anyway. And, yes, III did say in an interview that LJ himself prefers coming off the bench. And, yes, he got into big foul trouble at the beginning of the year. But so what? Give it a whirl. Have him play all 40 on Wednesday. This isn't the typical situation where you superstitiously stay with having a sixth-man come off the bench late in the year even though he's turned into your best player because you've been winning that way.
You can add me to the list of people that think it's at least worth trying a true trapping zone press (as opposed to the passive one we ran for most of the game). But you can also put me on the list of people that think it would be a disaster. Nova broke that press a ton and simply pulled the ball back out rather than risk a semi-contested 2v1. I think our pressure looks better at the end of games because we're down so much and teams aren't really trying to punish it. But, I'd try it now. Why not?
I liked the small lineup. Again, worth a try. If Jesse isn't giving you much on offense (and he wasn't), you may as well go small and try to at least improve the defense.
III: I would have gotten at least one T today. Why not? Can't hurt. There was one play, relatively late, where Tre and someone else trapped Brunson on the sideline in the backcourt. Brunson lowered his shoulder directly into Tre, who then got up and fouled Brunson. I would have gone all Bobby Knight there. (In fact, I did. There were just no officials there other than my son to reprimand me.) Again, why not?
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 5, 2016 15:18:00 GMT -5
Just did some quick math: -before Hayes got hurt, we gave up about 71 points a game in BE play -after Hayes got hurt, we gave up about 83 points a game in BE play The D was bad with Hayes, but it was really awful without him. Govan struggled pretty badly down the stretch on both sides of the ball. Not too surprising for a fairly raw freshman big who got thrown into a much bigger role than he was really ready for, and who was probably wearing down a bit as the season progressed. But a real concern for the future - Jesse needs to get a whole lot better on D if we want to improve defensively in any significant way next year. Excellent post, and the numbers don't lie. Hayes was more important on both sides of the court than some here wanted to admit. Govan is a matador defender and one off season will not correct to where it needs to get. Get a grad bruiser!
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 5, 2016 15:35:34 GMT -5
Plus/minus for this afternoon's game, calculated from the play-by-play at villanova.com:
Copeland +4, Peak -1, Mourning -2, Derrickson -4, Johnson -5, Williams -7, Campbell -8, Smith-Rivera -12, Govan -13, Cameron -17, Hayes DNP, White DNP.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 5, 2016 15:39:44 GMT -5
Final Thoughts: 1. Who would have thought that the Hoyas offense at the end of the year would be give the ball to Peak and get out of the way? 2. Peak had a monster game, 31pts on 10/16 FG's, 2rebs, 2asst. The next closest Hoya was Derrickson with 14pts, 6/11 FG's 2. Gtown covered the 14.5 point spread but the game was never close
Final Grade: D
LJ Peak showed today why he was a ESPN Top 50 recruit with the ability to get the rim whenever he wanted and the addition of a jump shot. Unlike the other games in the losing streak outside of Xavier, today's game was not close since the before the 16 min mark in the 1st half. Today's game could easily had been an "F" but the team beat the 14.5 spread and Vega's expectations. The regular season ends with 6 game losing streak and the longest such streak since the 2003 -2004 season. And team with talent which has failed to string together back back victories since Jan 9th & 13th, now over 50 days of such vertility. For a team picked to finish 2nd in the BE, the bottom has fallen out as the season has marched on. The Hoyas are now 14-17 with a .451% winning percentage. Needless to say this team is not going to the NCAA's nor the NIT without a run in the BET. Right now the Hoyas may not even qualify for the CBI. Next up is the BET and in all honesty that game is a toss up game, who would have thought at the beginning of the year. The team misses Bradley Hayes and Paul White, but still no excuse for losing 9 of 10, and failure to now win more than 1 game in over 30 days. This is now the 2nd month in a row that this team has failed to when a game with the last chance to end that streak on Wednesday. Oh my, if that BET game on Wednesday is a loss too. Onto DePaul...
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 5, 2016 15:47:17 GMT -5
Ultimately we were a 14-15 point underdog and we lost by 13. Not a good game but the guys didn't quit trying. And Peak provides optimism for next year. It's getting like golf, we are playing to our handicap.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 5, 2016 16:14:30 GMT -5
Missed the game for my son's baseball practice, but hate that I did. I wish I could have been there to cheer on the Hoyas. Even though it looks like it was a tough one, I remain a proud and loyal fan of the team, the players, and coaches. I hope for as many more games as possible this season and always.
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Post by wnyhoya on Mar 5, 2016 16:25:20 GMT -5
In an otherwise pitiful and embarrassing first half, LJ once again the lone positive. Still playing with pride. Love this kid. He's gotten so much better. Can only imagine what he looks like next year. Could be first team all BE I wouldn't be shocked to see him leave for NBA after this year. He seems to be playing for something while everyone else isn't. Not saying it's going to happen but it sure won't shock me. I would say at least he gets an evaluation. I'm with you. I'm very nervous about this. He has his family to support now to so I imagine that would play a factor. Probably would be undrafted but could be a fringe late second round guy depending on how workouts went. However, if he comes back he could play his way into a lock second rounder with maybe a shot to sneak into the first
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 5, 2016 16:32:05 GMT -5
Regarding Peak preferring to come in off the bench. . .let's have him kneel at the scorer's table at the opening tip-off, and bring him in at the first whistle.
I just went through the play-by-plays for the nineteen games in which Peak came off the bench. The Hoyas were behind in all but six of those games when he first entered, and four of those games were in the first five so played. Otherwise, he came in when the Hoyas led UConn 6-4 (16:37 to play in the first half) on January 23, and when the Hoyas led St. John's 10-6 (16:47 to play in the first half).
The GU offense has been stagnant, more often than not, with Peak not starting (I'm defining a good start as a pace at which the Hoyas score 80 points for a complete game, a decent start as a pace at which the Hoyas score 70 points for a complete game, and a bad start as a scoring pace at which the Hoyas score under 60 points for a complete game):
December 30 at DePaul: GU had 8 points when Peak entered at 13:32 January 2 vs. Marquette: GU had 11 points when Peak entered at 14:11 (a decent start) January 5 at Creighton: GU had 10 points when Peak entered at 15:21 (a good start) January 9 vs. DePaul: GU had 4 points when Peak entered at 15:45 (a bad start) January 13 at St. John's: GU had 9 points when Peak entered at 15:32 (a decent start) January 16 vs. Villanova: GU had 5 points when Peak entered at 15:09 (a bad start) January 19 at Xavier: GU had 14 points when Peak entered at 13:20 (a good start) January 23 at Connecticut: GU had 6 points when Peak entered at 16:37 (a decent start) January 26 at Creighton: GU had 6 points when Peak entered at 14:31 (a bad start) January 30 vs. Providence: GU had 5 points when Peak entered at 16:09 (a bad start) February 3 at Butler: GU had 9 points when Peak entered at 14:43 February 6 at Seton Hall: GU had 9 points when Peak entered at 14:59 (a decent start) February 8 vs. St. John's: GU had 10 points when Peak entered at 16:47 (a good start) February 13 at Providence: GU had 5 points when Peak entered at 16:30 (a bad start) February 17 vs. Seton Hall: GU had 8 points when Peak entered at 14:48 February 20 vs. Xavier: GU had 14 points when Peak entered at 11:37 February 27 vs. Butler: GU had 6 points when Peak entered at 14:36 (a bad start) March 1 at Marquette: GU had 11 points when Peak entered at 15:45 (a good start) March 5 at Villanova: GU had 4 points when Peak entered at 15:56 (a bad start)
In sum. . .six good starts, three decent starts, seven bad starts, and four uncategorized starts. As for trends, two good starts, two decent starts and four bad starts since the Hoyas beat Xavier. . .a stretch in which GU is 2-10.
Granted, this team has many more issues than whether or not Peak is starting. From my perspective, this team has so little margin for error that Peak's minutes have to be maximized.
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Post by wnyhoya on Mar 5, 2016 16:33:03 GMT -5
One thing that gets me upset is why not give Trey more than one minute of burn. He is our backup 5 next year. I loved that we went small bc Jessie didn't give us anything, but mix it up a bit and play Trey some for next year. Everyone knew the game was over after 10 minutes. There's no substitute for game experience and I think he should have gotten some today
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 5, 2016 16:46:53 GMT -5
One thing that gets me upset is why not give Trey more than one minute of burn. He is our backup 5 next year. I loved that we went small bc Jessie didn't give us anything, but mix it up a bit and play Trey some for next year. Everyone knew the game was over after 10 minutes. There's no substitute for game experience and I think he should have gotten some today I'm guessing that Trey is still feeling the effects of the flu, which kept him back in DC for the Marquette game. Otherwise, there's no reason why he could not have played more than the one minute of action he saw in the first half.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 5, 2016 16:57:46 GMT -5
One thing that gets me upset is why not give Trey more than one minute of burn. He is our backup 5 next year. I loved that we went small bc Jessie didn't give us anything, but mix it up a bit and play Trey some for next year. Everyone knew the game was over after 10 minutes. There's no substitute for game experience and I think he should have gotten some today I'm guessing that Trey is still feeling the effects of the flu, which kept him back in DC for the Marquette game. Otherwise, there's no reason why he could not have played more than the one minute of action he saw in the first half. Good point. To be fair, we really are playing this out with a short bench. I don't think we'd be very good anyway, but it does hurt when we have several fouling machines and 7-8 competent players. Still, it just sucks that we can't get out to even a modest lead to see how much of a difference that can make. My guess is the game gets called a bit different when we aren't down 10 points in 5 minutes. Oh well.
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Post by hiyasixa on Mar 5, 2016 17:43:02 GMT -5
Anybody else miss Nate "vanilla gorilla" Lubick!!! maybe all the haters were wrong after all.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 5, 2016 18:08:48 GMT -5
Anybody else miss Nate "vanilla gorilla" Lubick!!! maybe all the haters were wrong after all. Is that you, Nate? All of hiyasixa's 22 posts are about Nate dating back to 2012. Check here: hoyatalk2.proboards.com/user/3606/recent
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 5, 2016 18:42:22 GMT -5
One thing that gets me upset is why not give Trey more than one minute of burn. He is our backup 5 next year. I loved that we went small bc Jessie didn't give us anything, but mix it up a bit and play Trey some for next year. Everyone knew the game was over after 10 minutes. There's no substitute for game experience and I think he should have gotten some today I have no basis for saying this but I think Agau will likely be the backup center over Mourning.
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Post by wnyhoya on Mar 5, 2016 18:45:45 GMT -5
I hope you're right about that bc that would mean he's fully healthy. I think both he and Trey will improve our defense vastly next year bc they can move their feet in pick and roll coverage
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 5, 2016 20:55:34 GMT -5
Anybody know if LJ's dunk made the ESPN highlights?
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Post by This Just In on Mar 5, 2016 22:44:06 GMT -5
Anybody else miss Nate "vanilla gorilla" Lubick!!! maybe all the haters were wrong after all. Yes... I really miss Nate Lubick passing up wide open shots so that his teammates may take a contested shot. Or playing 4 vs 5 offense while Nate was on the floor.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 5, 2016 23:09:24 GMT -5
Anybody else miss Nate "vanilla gorilla" Lubick!!! maybe all the haters were wrong after all. Yes... I really miss Nate Lubick passing up wide open shots so that his teammates may take a contested shot. Or playing 4 vs 5 offense while Nate was on the floor. He was essentially coached to pass up those shots.
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