AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Feb 11, 2016 22:20:26 GMT -5
We have a weapon we didn't have earlier in the Season, and that is Isaac Copeland. LJ has become a star and we have a lot more confidence than we had in our early games. The final 6 games are like a separate Season and we have to win 3 or 4 out of the six, which we can do, excluding Villanova on the road, which ain't happening. But we have 3 home games that are winnable, if we play with intensity. I can dream, can't I? Difficult to be excited about a break-out against the Johnnies Sadly, the answer to the question posed may be ... A season do-over
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 12, 2016 15:42:35 GMT -5
We have a weapon we didn't have earlier in the Season, and that is Isaac Copeland. LJ has become a star and we have a lot more confidence than we had in our early games. The final 6 games are like a separate Season and we have to win 3 or 4 out of the six, which we can do, excluding Villanova on the road, which ain't happening. But we have 3 home games that are winnable, if we play with intensity. I can dream, can't I? Unfortunately, given the hole we've dug ourselves, winning 3 or 4 out of our final 6 probably won't cut it. We need to win 5 of 6. Going 4-2 requires some serious help and a deep BET run, if not the crown. Going 3-3 will almost assuredly require a BET crown.
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Post by goyahoya69 on Feb 12, 2016 16:56:34 GMT -5
seems we are farther away from making the tourney than i thought. this tweet from Rothstein is regarding the NCAA's mock selection:
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 12, 2016 17:20:15 GMT -5
seems we are farther away from making the tourney than i thought. this tweet from Rothstein is regarding the NCAA's mock selection: I don't think it's that surprising. Right now we are in a galaxy far, far away. Our hopes are reliant on the fact that we would win at least four of our last six (five of eight if you count the BET) with four of those five wins against Top 50 (roughly) teams and seven of the eight overall games against those teams. Do that (an enormous hypothetical we all know) and our profile looks incredibly different and we'd vault over a lot of teams in these last couple weeks.
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 12, 2016 17:27:51 GMT -5
From today's NCAA Mock Selection (current RPI):
Last Four In: Butler (56), Temple (59), Michigan (61), Monmouth (32)
First Four Out: Valpo (46), Chattanooga (40), Seton Hall (51), Washington (55)
RPIs of Big East Teams further out: Georgetown (76), Creighton (86), Marquette (99).
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Post by drquigley on Feb 13, 2016 23:52:33 GMT -5
The stage is now set for an amazing run to the Final Four. If we win out we can still finish 3rd in the BE with a win on the road over #1 Nova. Two wins in the BE tourney gets us in and from then on we are playing with house money. Delusional? Sure. But this team is just weird enough to pull it off.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 8:45:25 GMT -5
The stage is now set for an amazing run to the Final Four. If we win out we can still finish 3rd in the BE with a win on the road over #1 Nova. Two wins in the BE tourney gets us in and from then on we are playing with house money. Delusional? Sure. But this team is just weird enough to pull it off. And people on this board are just weird enough to keep posting things in this thread that don't start and end with "Win the Big East Tournament".
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 14, 2016 10:10:41 GMT -5
The stage is now set for an amazing run to the Final Four. If we win out we can still finish 3rd in the BE with a win on the road over #1 Nova. Two wins in the BE tourney gets us in and from then on we are playing with house money. Delusional? Sure. But this team is just weird enough to pull it off. And people on this board are just weird enough to keep posting things in this thread that don't start and end with "Win the Big East Tournament". We don't have to win the BET to make the tourney, if that's what you are getting at. Not sure why that is such a strange point. If we go 5-2, 6-3, 5-1, we will make the tourney. Not saying it's going to happen, but the thread is called, "what would it take to make the NCAAs," and that is what it would take. Why is that any different than talking about the scenario of us winning 3 games in 3 days in MSG?
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 14, 2016 10:31:59 GMT -5
seems we are farther away from making the tourney than i thought. this tweet from Rothstein is regarding the NCAA's mock selection: I don't think it's that surprising. Right now we are in a galaxy far, far away. Our hopes are reliant on the fact that we would win at least four of our last six (five of eight if you count the BET) with four of those five wins against Top 50 (roughly) teams and seven of the eight overall games against those teams. Do that (an enormous hypothetical we all know) and our profile looks incredibly different and we'd vault over a lot of teams in these last couple weeks. Wisconsin is in the top 50 now so we have 3 top 50 wins. I'd guess most of the bubble doesn't have that. Win 2 games this week, I'd wager we'd be in the tourney or very, very close. Tall order but I don't think we should believe that Seton Hall and Butler, who are very close now, are miles better than Gtown.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 14, 2016 11:35:56 GMT -5
The oracle has spoken.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Feb 14, 2016 11:55:59 GMT -5
I am all for exuberant enthusiasm but why do posters continually ignore the season's body of work. There has been little evidence to suggest this team is going to the NCAAT (no matter how much that pains me as a loyal alum). Furthermore, there is littele evidence that this team deserve a tournament berth. They may benefit from the "sour taste in their mouth" going into next season.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 14, 2016 12:26:19 GMT -5
I don't think there is anyone ignoring the season's body of work. There are certainly plenty of threads to talk about that. This is just a different thread.
And, I'm not sure I understand the point about deserving to make the tourney. Are you saying that if we made it, you wouldn't watch because we didn't deserve it?
I think our chances are very slim and a few years ago, I probably would've thought we had no chance, but as crazy as it sounds, we almost made the tourney the year we lost to DePaul. And, I thought that team was far more lost than this team. We'll see I guess.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 14, 2016 12:33:44 GMT -5
I don't think there is anyone ignoring the season's body of work. There are certainly plenty of threads to talk about that. This is just a different thread. And, I'm not sure I understand the point about deserving to make the tourney. Are you saying that if we made it, you wouldn't watch because we didn't deserve it? I think our chances are very slim and a few years ago, I probably would've thought we had no chance, but as crazy as it sounds, we almost made the tourney the year we lost to DePaul. And, I thought that team was far more lost than this team. We'll see I guess. The problem with this team is every time they take a step forward it's followed by 2 steps back. Can't have anymore steps back.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 14, 2016 13:53:36 GMT -5
Okay, I've looked at the rest of the BE schedule, and if we go 4-1 (lose to Nova) here's the way I see the BE falling out:
Nova 16-2 Xavier 14-4 Georgetown 11-7 Creighton 10-8 Seton Hall 10-8 Providence 10-8 Butler 9-9 Marquette 6-12 DePaul 7-11 St. John's 1-17
We are bunched with a lot of teams that play each other over the next 2 weeks. If Nova doesn't fade and Xavier could get hot and go 4-1 (only loss to G.U.) we could sneak in in 3rd place. In short, with some help from God and 2 BET wins we could still make the tourney. Let's all pray....
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Post by guru on Feb 14, 2016 14:33:07 GMT -5
Okay, I've looked at the rest of the BE schedule, and if we go 4-1 (lose to Nova) here's the way I see the BE falling out: Nova 16-2 Xavier 14-4 Georgetown 11-7 Creighton 10-8 Seton Hall 10-8 Providence 10-8 Butler 9-9 Marquette 6-12 DePaul 7-11 St. John's 1-17 We are bunched with a lot of teams that play each other over the next 2 weeks. If Nova doesn't fade and Xavier could get hot and go 4-1 (only loss to G.U.) we could sneak in in 3rd place. In short, with some help from God and 2 BET wins we could still make the tourney. Let's all pray.... Unbelievable. There's no sane way to project this team finishing 4-1 down the stretch. It's far more likely that we end this season with a losing record and our season is finished directly after a cameo appearance at the BET.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 14, 2016 15:13:38 GMT -5
Okay, I've looked at the rest of the BE schedule, and if we go 4-1 (lose to Nova) here's the way I see the BE falling out: Nova 16-2 Xavier 14-4 Georgetown 11-7 Creighton 10-8 Seton Hall 10-8 Providence 10-8 Butler 9-9 Marquette 6-12 DePaul 7-11 St. John's 1-17 We are bunched with a lot of teams that play each other over the next 2 weeks. If Nova doesn't fade and Xavier could get hot and go 4-1 (only loss to G.U.) we could sneak in in 3rd place. In short, with some help from God and 2 BET wins we could still make the tourney. Let's all pray.... Unbelievable. There's no sane way to project this team finishing 4-1 down the stretch. It's far more likely that we end this season with a losing record and our season is finished directly after a cameo appearance at the BET. A G.U. grad, product of a Jesuit education doesn't believe in the power of prayer? Shame on you guru.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Feb 14, 2016 19:15:50 GMT -5
I don't think there is anyone ignoring the season's body of work. There are certainly plenty of threads to talk about that. This is just a different thread. And, I'm not sure I understand the point about deserving to make the tourney. Are you saying that if we made it, you wouldn't watch because we didn't deserve it? I think our chances are very slim and a few years ago, I probably would've thought we had no chance, but as crazy as it sounds, we almost made the tourney the year we lost to DePaul. And, I thought that team was far more lost than this team. We'll see I guess. good post. And even better post, given that it came from you, and I mean that as a compliment
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 14, 2016 20:10:23 GMT -5
I don't think there is anyone ignoring the season's body of work. There are certainly plenty of threads to talk about that. This is just a different thread. And, I'm not sure I understand the point about deserving to make the tourney. Are you saying that if we made it, you wouldn't watch because we didn't deserve it? I think our chances are very slim and a few years ago, I probably would've thought we had no chance, but as crazy as it sounds, we almost made the tourney the year we lost to DePaul. And, I thought that team was far more lost than this team. We'll see I guess. good post. And even better post, given that it came from you, and I mean that as a compliment To me this team is different than the other III teams that didn't make the tourney. Can't put my finger on it. But, it really wouldn't surprise me if we won the next 3 games.
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 14, 2016 20:47:18 GMT -5
good post. And even better post, given that it came from you, and I mean that as a compliment To me this team is different than the other III teams that didn't make the tourney. Can't put my finger on it. But, it really wouldn't surprise me if we won the next 3 games. I agree and think the difference is they are more talented but very young for the most part. I think we all thought some of the sophomores would improve upon promising freshman seasons but didn't happen the way we thought. Still encouraged that there is a lot of talent for next year but not hopeful they can all of the sudden find a way to win the next several games consistently as they have shown no ability to do that to date. I'll keep watching and holding out hope for something but do look forward to next season.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Feb 14, 2016 20:49:11 GMT -5
good post. And even better post, given that it came from you, and I mean that as a compliment To me this team is different than the other III teams that didn't make the tourney. Can't put my finger on it. But, it really wouldn't surprise me if we won the next 3 games. to me the difference is clear. The III teams that went to the NIT lacked talent in critical areas, where this team doesn't lack for talent in many spots. For whatever reason this team has underachieved, and I feel like this is the first III team to do so. We've had III teams underachieve in tournament settings to be sure. But I don't think we've had one do so for an entire season
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