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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 30, 2015 11:18:23 GMT -5
Peak's averaging less than double figures in points, 2.7 rebounds/game, 1.3 assists/game while shooting 41.9% from the field, 28% from 3, and 70.9% from the line. He's also fouled out of numerous games because he can't defend without using his hands. Anybody claiming Peak is an NBA prospect at this point is either a complete homer or doesn't watch the games. At this point, Kaleb Johnson appears to be a better NBA prospect than LJ Peak. For whatever reason this board has a group of posters who consistently overstate the chances of our guards playing in the NBA. Here's one thread on Starks playing in the NBA, though if you search the board for "Starks NBA" you'll find many, many more. This is a guy who's currently averaging 13.8 points / 24% 3FG / 2.7 A / 1.9 TO on a 6-10 team in Australia, because - surprise! - a guy who was just a decent shooter and subpar passer for a lead guard wasn't able to magically make his flaws go away, and there are a ton of guys 6'0"-6'5" who can play basketball out there. You can find similar overestimates of Clark's NBA chances (i.e. some not none) and Chris Wright's (pretty much guaranteed). Thats the great thing about CBB though, these guys all have flaws. The great thing about JT3's recruiting is that he tries to get NBA level athletes. If they fix their flaws then making it to the NBA isn't as hard as if you're a 5'9" SG. Peak is definitely very far aways but if he finds a jumpshot he will be very interesting to GMs (I'm not worried about his fouling, NBA is a different game). Also the NBA drafts on POTENTIAL, not what you've done.
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 30, 2015 11:29:10 GMT -5
Athletic guards who struggle to shoot are a dime a dozen. The NBA doesn't draft so much on potential as it does skill. There are a myriad of factors that affect whether those skills translate. Otto Porter went 3rd in a weaker draft not based on high upside, but a well rounded skillset.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 30, 2015 11:48:44 GMT -5
Tell that the NBA GMs who have said otherwise... What NBA GMs? If he bolts he has no chance of getting drafted. None. What does that have to do with a GMs opinion? You do realize a GM could see him as an NBA talent, just not this year right? You ever heard of player development and players improving their game? Smh you should really read your posts to make sure they follow sound logic. Nobody ever in this thread said that if LJ bolted for the NBA this year that he'd get drafted. Being an NBA talent and getting drafted are often two completely separate things....
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 30, 2015 11:52:40 GMT -5
Peak's averaging less than double figures in points, 2.7 rebounds/game, 1.3 assists/game while shooting 41.9% from the field, 28% from 3, and 70.9% from the line. He's also fouled out of numerous games because he can't defend without using his hands. Anybody claiming Peak is an NBA prospect at this point is either a complete homer or doesn't watch the games. At this point, Kaleb Johnson appears to be a better NBA prospect than LJ Peak. LOL that actually made me laugh out loud. And I guess Kaleb is also a better prospect than Skal Labissiere??? Hah okay
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 30, 2015 11:54:16 GMT -5
In my opinion, the staff did make a mistake on Josh Hart (and it was definitely clear at the time that he wanted to be a Hoya) but I think Bentil and especially Trimble are stretches. The problem with this logic is that it selectively takes three guys and asserts - with hindsight - that we should have wrapped them up as soon as possible.
The college basketball world is full of recruits we went after and did not get. Some like the three on this thread have success. Others have absolutely no success at all and totally flame out. It happens.
The reason I think Hart was a bigger mistake is that he was a guard and in the interim we didn't successfully recruit any other guards.
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 30, 2015 11:54:53 GMT -5
You add a lot of qualifiers that really weaken the point you make. So you probably shouldn't attack people's post and re-read your own.
Lets ignore projections, right now LJ Peak is an inefficient offensive player who also struggles some on defense. He needs to improve leaps and bounds for this team to get better. I think playing him at the 3 mitigates some of his weaknesses.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 30, 2015 11:56:12 GMT -5
Josh Hart was the only true miss because he really wanted to be a Hoya. As far as Bentil goes, we made a hard push and missed. With regard to Trimble, not sure he would have been a lock to g'town, guess we'll never know. The only lock was Hart. He's jabril 2.0 and would have been great. That said, had we pulled in Hart, we likely don't get a commitment from LJP. At the time, I am willing to bet that 9 out of 10 posters on this board would not trade Peak for Hart.
As far as the guys we brought in...Campbell was unranked, Reggie was ranked in the high 70's, and Paul White was ranked in the 30's. We brought in a nice class.
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Post by This Just In on Dec 30, 2015 12:08:30 GMT -5
You add a lot of qualifiers that really weaken the point you make. So you probably shouldn't attack people's post and re-read your own. Lets ignore projections, right now LJ Peak is an inefficient offensive player who also struggles some on defense. He needs to improve leaps and bounds for this team to get better. I think playing him at the 3 mitigates some of his weaknesses. I think the problem is that you have 2 to 3 SG's in the starting lineup who are struggling with jump shots. You could start Tre or Kaleb at the point move DSR to shooting guard and then bench either Peak or Copeland (those 2 guys starting together is not working).
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 30, 2015 12:14:22 GMT -5
Josh Hart was the only true miss because he really wanted to be a Hoya. As far as Bentil goes, we made a hard push and missed. With regard to Trimble, not sure he would have been a lock to g'town, guess we'll never know. The only lock was Hart. He's jabril 2.0 and would have been great. That said, had we pulled in Hart, we likely don't get a commitment from LJP. At the time, I am willing to bet that 9 out of 10 posters on this board would not trade Peak for Hart. As far as the guys we brought in...Campbell was unranked, Reggie was ranked in the high 70's, and Paul White was ranked in the 30's. We brought in a nice class. I would trade Peak for Hart in a NY minute. Other than that, agree with the rest of this post. From what I recall, staff thought Hart was too much like Jabril and prioritized a pure shooter in Cameron over Hart who was duplicative with the existing roster. Turns out Cameron and Peak haven't been as good as expected (or developed as well as expected), while Hart has developed into an outstanding college player. Not sure if it's more of a talent recognition issue on the staff's part, or poor player development. Probably a bit of both.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 30, 2015 12:18:44 GMT -5
Peak's averaging less than double figures in points, 2.7 rebounds/game, 1.3 assists/game while shooting 41.9% from the field, 28% from 3, and 70.9% from the line. He's also fouled out of numerous games because he can't defend without using his hands. Anybody claiming Peak is an NBA prospect at this point is either a complete homer or doesn't watch the games. At this point, Kaleb Johnson appears to be a better NBA prospect than LJ Peak. LOL that actually made me laugh out loud. And I guess Kaleb is also a better prospect than Skal Labissiere??? Hah okay In what ways is LJ Peak a better NBA prospect than Kaleb Johnson?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 12:29:26 GMT -5
Josh Hart was the only true miss because he really wanted to be a Hoya. As far as Bentil goes, we made a hard push and missed. With regard to Trimble, not sure he would have been a lock to g'town, guess we'll never know. The only lock was Hart. He's jabril 2.0 and would have been great. That said, had we pulled in Hart, we likely don't get a commitment from LJP. At the time, I am willing to bet that 9 out of 10 posters on this board would not trade Peak for Hart. As far as the guys we brought in...Campbell was unranked, Reggie was ranked in the high 70's, and Paul White was ranked in the 30's. We brought in a nice class. I would trade Peak for Hart in a NY minute. Other than that, agree with the rest of this post. From what I recall, staff thought Hart was too much like Jabril and prioritized a pure shooter in Cameron over Hart who was duplicative with the existing roster. Turns out Cameron and Peak haven't been as good as expected (or developed as well as expected), while Hart has developed into an outstanding college player. Not sure if it's more of a talent recognition issue on the staff's part, or poor player development. Probably a bit of both. I believe he said "At the time".. Don't think there is much debate that coming out of High School Peak was the superior prospect
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Post by gahoya on Dec 30, 2015 12:34:40 GMT -5
A couple of quick responses: one who gets paid over $2 million, look to have made the wrong call three times. As a diehard, lifelong Hoya fan and someone who is relatively plugged in on local hoops, who hears s&^# daily about how our staff has committed malpractice on the recruiting front in recent years - I find that very, very frustrating. Why does salary all of the sudden get brought into this? JTIII looks to have made the wrong call in recruiting three times?? He's been a coach here for how long? Pretty damn impressive than to me. And, I would still argue that none of those were really the wrong calls. Finally, sure, Bentil has been good this year. Do you really think he would be putting up these numbers without Kris Dunn spoon-feeding them to him?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 30, 2015 12:37:08 GMT -5
Why does salary all of the sudden get brought into this? Because, for whatever reason, it's the latest thing that many of the illogical posters like to throw out whenever they are losing an argument or have no real support for it.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 30, 2015 12:49:30 GMT -5
I would trade Peak for Hart in a NY minute. Other than that, agree with the rest of this post. From what I recall, staff thought Hart was too much like Jabril and prioritized a pure shooter in Cameron over Hart who was duplicative with the existing roster. Turns out Cameron and Peak haven't been as good as expected (or developed as well as expected), while Hart has developed into an outstanding college player. Not sure if it's more of a talent recognition issue on the staff's part, or poor player development. Probably a bit of both. I believe he said "At the time".. Don't think there is much debate that coming out of High School Peak was the superior prospect Thanks for the clarification, agreed with that point then. Question has to be asked, why did Hart develop so well while Peak hasn't discernibly improved his skills?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 13:03:56 GMT -5
I believe he said "At the time".. Don't think there is much debate that coming out of High School Peak was the superior prospect Thanks for the clarification, agreed with that point then. Question has to be asked, why did Hart develop so well while Peak hasn't discernibly improved his skills? Because Jay Wright is a beast!!... Lol jk I don't agree with the premise so hard for me to answer that question but I'll try I guess. First off one is a Junior one is a Soph. Josh averaged 10.1 ppg last year. 2nd Hart is playing his natural position. If LJ played on the wing and was asked to just be a finisher not a primary ballhandler his numbers might look a little different and vice versa.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 30, 2015 13:07:37 GMT -5
I believe he said "At the time".. Don't think there is much debate that coming out of High School Peak was the superior prospect Thanks for the clarification, agreed with that point then. Question has to be asked, why did Hart develop so well while Peak hasn't discernibly improved his skills? Maybe it's because they are different people and neither has finished rounding out their games yet? Players develop at different rates? They have different styles of play?
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 30, 2015 13:22:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification, agreed with that point then. Question has to be asked, why did Hart develop so well while Peak hasn't discernibly improved his skills? Maybe it's because they are different people and neither has finished rounding out their games yet? Players develop at different rates? They have different styles of play? So for this purported NBA prospect LJ Peak, who's halfway through his sophomore year, when can we expect him to round out his game? When can we expect him to fully develop? When can we expect him to lead his team to victory over NCAA powerhouses like UNC-Asheville, Radford, and Monmouth?
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 30, 2015 13:28:48 GMT -5
What makes not getting Hart terrible in my view is that he was passed over for Domingo..
This and the fact that he LOVED Gtown!! He wore the gear, came to games, he even gave Noel some attitude @ the selection party..
I don't think Hart would have impacted Peak at all..
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Post by This Just In on Dec 30, 2015 13:43:25 GMT -5
I believe he said "At the time".. Don't think there is much debate that coming out of High School Peak was the superior prospect Thanks for the clarification, agreed with that point then. Question has to be asked, why did Hart develop so well while Peak hasn't discernibly improved his skills? The Hoyas are not known for developing guards under JTIII. Chris Wright is the closest guard from Gtown that was close to sticking in the NBA. Look at the highly regarded guards that have come thru the program that has not made an NBA team... Freeman, Starks, DSR (tried to turn pro and came back) The list above does not include Bowman, Cook, Clark, Wallace, Sapp (guards who had deep NCAA runs) When you combine the offensive style with a history of not putting guards into the NBA it explains why the program has issues recruiting highly touted guard play.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 30, 2015 13:49:37 GMT -5
The Hoyas are not known for developing guards under JTIII. Given that only one Georgetown guard has been drafted in the last 26 years, this is not a situation unique to coach Thompson.
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