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Post by nychoya3 on Dec 19, 2016 16:26:44 GMT -5
Every shooting guard prospect who is a little small and not a pure shooter gets compared to DWade, but they ain't DWade.
Shooting guard has become a shockingly shallow position in the NBA. After Harden, Derozan, and Klay you're looking at guys like Beal and McCollum. Sean Kilpatrick wouldn't be a terrible comparison, and he's played well
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Dec 19, 2016 16:34:43 GMT -5
Post by trillesthoya on Dec 19, 2016 16:34:43 GMT -5
Every shooting guard prospect who is a little small and not a pure shooter gets compared to DWade, but they ain't DWade. Shooting guard has become a shockingly shallow position in the NBA. After Harden, Derozan, and Klay you're looking at guys like Beal and McCollum. Sean Kilpatrick wouldn't be a terrible comparison, and he's played well Harden's a pg now. SG is incredibly weak since this generation of players all seem to want to be ones. Doesn't mean the demand for a solid sg that can defend, shoot and penetrate is any lower, which is good news for LJ.
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Dec 19, 2016 17:22:34 GMT -5
Post by MCIGuy on Dec 19, 2016 17:22:34 GMT -5
Not trying to be naysayer, but what's a good NBA comp for LJ? To me I'm little suspicious that his handles and passing aren't good enough for being an NBA pg, but he's a little small for SG and he wouldn't be able to drive as easily in the NBA. There might be plenty of comps, it's just that we haven't really had a player like him. Agreed, which means even with a draft spot it will be an uphill battle. Wade Baldwin is a bit better passer. I would say in todays NBA he would be somewhere in Rodney McGruder/Norman Powell/Dion Waiters mold - I think LJ still needs a bit better handle. Hus handle is good enough right now. Look every NBA sg doesn't have the handle of Kobe or Wade.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 19, 2016 17:39:04 GMT -5
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Dec 19, 2016 19:34:58 GMT -5
Post by sleepyjackson21 on Dec 19, 2016 19:34:58 GMT -5
A guy who LJ can evolve into and who should be his ultimate NBA role model is Tony Allen. Same size and similar type of athlete. Allen has obviously had a long NBA career because he is a pitbull on defense. There are alot of 2gs who shoot better and are taller but they won't have the same career.
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Dec 19, 2016 19:42:45 GMT -5
Post by tashoya on Dec 19, 2016 19:42:45 GMT -5
Well deserved! LJ is really playing well on both ends. Even taking the numbers out of it, he's putting in BE Honor Roll level effort. Keep grinding!
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Dec 20, 2016 7:55:09 GMT -5
Post by bostonfan on Dec 20, 2016 7:55:09 GMT -5
A guy who LJ can evolve into and who should be his ultimate NBA role model is Tony Allen. Same size and similar type of athlete. Allen has obviously had a long NBA career because he is a pitbull on defense. There are alot of 2gs who shoot better and are taller but they won't have the same career. Tony Allen is a good comparison for LJ from a slashing and defensive perspective, but LJ is a much better shooter than Tony Allen was coming out of college. Actually Tony Allen is still not a good shooter but has made himself a great living being a shutdown defender.
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Dec 29, 2016 2:08:52 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 29, 2016 2:08:52 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 16, 2017 10:32:51 GMT -5
Congrats to the young man..
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 16, 2017 11:13:56 GMT -5
Great job LJ. Let's do it again!
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 16, 2017 11:50:32 GMT -5
Dude was basically on no pre-season Big East lists, not the official BE lists decided by coaches and/or media , nor any of the lists in college basketball magazines outside of maybe one (either second or third team). But he is on track to make an All Big East team by seasons end.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 16, 2017 12:40:07 GMT -5
He is hazing a really nice year...keep it up, LJ!!!
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 16, 2017 12:55:53 GMT -5
Dude was basically on no pre-season Big East lists, not the official BE lists decided by coaches and/or media , nor any of the lists in college basketball magazines outside of maybe one (either second or third team). But he is on track to make an All Big East team by seasons end. Pretty sure he was picked honarable mention all BE this year by the league coaches.. Iirc Copeland was picked for 2nd team all BE..
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 18, 2017 1:56:37 GMT -5
What is the likelihood that LJ decides to pull a Josh Hart by improving every facet of his game and sticking around his senior year?
I think it would only help his draft stock. Right now there are some holes in his game. He could continue to work on his handle. He needs the continue to work on his shot, he needs to stay engaged through 40 minutes, and it feels like there is room to improve his conditioning.
If he does stay ...we are without a doubt a better team than we are this year. Hoping he sticks it out one more year and leads this team.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Jan 18, 2017 6:24:33 GMT -5
What is the likelihood that LJ decides to pull a Josh Hart by improving every facet of his game and sticking around his senior year? I think it would only help his draft stock. Right now there are some holes in his game. He could continue to work on his handle. He needs the continue to work on his shot, he needs to stay engaged through 40 minutes, and it feels like there is room to improve his conditioning. If he does stay ...we are without a doubt a better team than we are this year. Hoping he sticks it out one more year and leads this team. I've seen a lot problems with this team this year and most of them have been fixed. The defense was sluggish but it has gotten better, not great, but better. The rebounding has improved and our centers are less hesitant in the post, they actually move towards the rim before the double team trap comes. But the one thing that kills me is how do we fix missing shots? Blueandgray you hit it dead on the nose, conditioning! As much as Derrickson has gotten himself into CBB shape (last year), the team as a whole still lack conditioning and focus. How in the hell do we miss soo many damn layups? How do we come up short in the lane for an easy two, conditioning!
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Post by prhoya on Jan 18, 2017 7:13:26 GMT -5
What is the likelihood that LJ decides to pull a Josh Hart by improving every facet of his game and sticking around his senior year? I think it would only help his draft stock. Right now there are some holes in his game. He could continue to work on his handle. He needs the continue to work on his shot, he needs to stay engaged through 40 minutes, and it feels like there is room to improve his conditioning. If he does stay ...we are without a doubt a better team than we are this year. Hoping he sticks it out one more year and leads this team. We're always a better team next year? Same old, same old. No, I think at this point there's too much uncertainty as to how the end of the season will go in terms of player morale, possible transfers, the replacement of graduating players and transfers, Trey's role, etc... After the Ike experience (and Tre, and Reggie, and Trey, and to some extent Bradley, etc...) We should not count on the natural development of any player under JT3 until we see it in November.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 18, 2017 9:01:33 GMT -5
What is the likelihood that LJ decides to pull a Josh Hart by improving every facet of his game and sticking around his senior year? I think it would only help his draft stock. Right now there are some holes in his game. He could continue to work on his handle. He needs the continue to work on his shot, he needs to stay engaged through 40 minutes, and it feels like there is room to improve his conditioning. If he does stay ...we are without a doubt a better team than we are this year. Hoping he sticks it out one more year and leads this team. I've seen a lot problems with this team this year and most of them have been fixed. The defense was sluggish but it has gotten better, not great, but better. The rebounding has improved and our centers are less hesitant in the post, they actually move towards the rim before the double team trap comes. But the one thing that kills me is how do we fix missing shots? Blueandgray you hit it dead on the nose, conditioning! As much as Derrickson has gotten himself into CBB shape (last year), the team as a whole still lack conditioning and focus. How in the hell do we miss soo many damn layups? How do we come up short in the lane for an easy two, conditioning! I hope LJ stays, the team would be much better with him on the team next year, but I expect him to at least submit his name and then go on a few workouts with NBA teams to see what kind of feedback he gets. If he can find a way to be a 1st round pick then I think he will, and should, go. If it looks like a second round pick, then maybe he stays and continues to improve his draft stock. I completely agree with the comment about conditioning. Not so much about LJ and his conditioning because I think he does play with great energy for the entire game but for the team as a whole. They do not seem to be able to maintain that high level of intensity for extended periods of time, both on offense and defense. That leads to missing shots they should be making, not chasing down rebounds and loose balls and simply not staying in a good aggressive defensive stance for an entire possession. I am not at practices but the inability to stay focused and intense for and entire game usually goes back to poor practice habits. If the players are required to work hard and stay intense for entire practices then that habit will translate to games. Not sure that is the issue, but they definitely do not look as fresh and energized at the end of games as many of their opponents.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 18, 2017 9:10:40 GMT -5
What is the likelihood that LJ decides to pull a Josh Hart by improving every facet of his game and sticking around his senior year? I think it would only help his draft stock. Right now there are some holes in his game. He could continue to work on his handle. He needs the continue to work on his shot, he needs to stay engaged through 40 minutes, and it feels like there is room to improve his conditioning. If he does stay ...we are without a doubt a better team than we are this year. Hoping he sticks it out one more year and leads this team. We're always a better team next year? Same old, same old. No, I think at this point there's too much uncertainty as to how the end of the season will go in terms of player morale, possible transfers, the replacement of graduating players and transfers, Trey's role, etc... After the Ike experience (and Tre, and Reggie, and Trey, and to some extent Bradley, etc...) We should not count on the natural development of any player under JT3 until we see it in November. Absolutely, there's no guarantee we'd be better next year than this year regardless of whether LJ comes back. But I think the real point is that we'd be better with him than without him. That's not even up for debate, is it? Related, I hate the myth that "no one develops" under JTIII. Sure, there are lots of examples of players that don't (and you mention some). But there are tons of examples of players that have. LJ is one of them! I'd suggest he's been better every year he's been here. So, in his case, I do think it would be reasonable to suggest he'd improve some more going into next year. I think this is an example of where folks are familiar with their own roster (and the "failures" on it) and are only familiar with the players on other teams that have improved for the obvious reason that you don't see the ones that don't (since they don't play, transfer, etc.). I'll use Villanova as an easy example since everyone is so complimentary of Wright these days (and rightfully so). In 2011, their recruiting class consisted of four players, all three or four star recruits and three of them ranked in the ESPN100. Tyrone Johnson played one year, got plenty of minutes but didn't do much, and immediately transferred. Achraf Yacoubou was also a top 100 recruit, he played 10 MPG his first two years, didn't do much, and transferred. The final four star recruit was Markus Kennedy -- who also transferred after one year and went on to a good career at SMU. That leaves Darrun Hilliard, who was lowest rated and had the best career. One out of four. Now, the next couple years, they had great recruiting classes, guys developed, they win a championship, and so on. But we could do the same at virtually any school.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 18, 2017 10:24:21 GMT -5
We're always a better team next year? Same old, same old. No, I think at this point there's too much uncertainty as to how the end of the season will go in terms of player morale, possible transfers, the replacement of graduating players and transfers, Trey's role, etc... After the Ike experience (and Tre, and Reggie, and Trey, and to some extent Bradley, etc...) We should not count on the natural development of any player under JT3 until we see it in November. Absolutely, there's no guarantee we'd be better next year than this year regardless of whether LJ comes back. But I think the real point is that we'd be better with him than without him. That's not even up for debate, is it? Not up for debate. We would be better with him. Related, I hate the myth that "no one develops" under JTIII. Sure, there are lots of examples of players that don't (and you mention some). But there are tons of examples of players that have. LJ is one of them! I'd suggest he's been better every year he's been here. So, in his case, I do think it would be reasonable to suggest he'd improve some more going into next year. I think this is an example of where folks are familiar with their own roster (and the "failures" on it) and are only familiar with the players on other teams that have improved for the obvious reason that you don't see the ones that don't (since they don't play, transfer, etc.). I'll use Villanova as an easy example since everyone is so complimentary of Wright these days (and rightfully so). In 2011, their recruiting class consisted of four players, all three or four star recruits and three of them ranked in the ESPN100. Tyrone Johnson played one year, got plenty of minutes but didn't do much, and immediately transferred. Achraf Yacoubou was also a top 100 recruit, he played 10 MPG his first two years, didn't do much, and transferred. The final four star recruit was Markus Kennedy -- who also transferred after one year and went on to a good career at SMU. That leaves Darrun Hilliard, who was lowest rated and had the best career. One out of four. Now, the next couple years, they had great recruiting classes, guys developed, they win a championship, and so on. But we could do the same at virtually any school. Those players you mentioned were not upperclassmen. If you look at my list, I only included our upperclassmen. The listed upperclassmen have not improved. That's not up for debate. BTW, I'm not saying that players don't develop under JT3. We've seen Jabril do it and LJ as you said, among others. I don't agree with you that "there are tons of examples of players that have". If that were so, we'd be a better team with so many upperclassmen this year. I just said don't go for the "we're going to be better next year" just because you're counting on natural development.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 10:50:50 GMT -5
Absolutely, there's no guarantee we'd be better next year than this year regardless of whether LJ comes back. But I think the real point is that we'd be better with him than without him. That's not even up for debate, is it? Not up for debate. We would be better with him. I think we'd be better with him, too. But I disagree that it's not up for debate. Two years ago, when DSR (briefly) flirted with leaving early, we all were so relieved that he eventually came back. In retrospect, might we have been a better team last season without him? Maybe. Seemed like we square pegged a round hole by asking him to run the point, and maybe without him dominating the ball, some of the other guys (Copeland?) might have developed differently. Maybe/maybe not. I'm not saying yes or no re: LJ. And - all else being equal - I'd rather have him next year than not. But the dynamics of the roster and the rotation can change significantly from one year to the next (e.g. at this time last year, Pryor and Mulmore were not on our radar and we all thought Hayes would be graduating), so it's hard to really project how things might shake out.
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