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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 1, 2015 21:33:12 GMT -5
Seems like a weird game. As far as scoring goes, it was all DSR for us. I think we should have won by 30, but I will take the 19 pt win. At least in the 2nd half we were 17-20 in FTs. Need more from IC in the next game.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Dec 1, 2015 21:56:48 GMT -5
Do not understand the rotation in second half at all unless 3 was trying to send a message.
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Post by This Just In on Dec 1, 2015 21:56:54 GMT -5
Final Thoughts:1. DSR had a huge bounce back game with 30 pts tonight vs 9pts in the last game (The only other double digit scorer is Bradly Hayes, 11pts). 2. Gotta get better in the assists vs turnovers tonight (10 Assts vs 17 TO's) 3. Georgetown out rebounded Maryland-Eastern Shore, 38 to 26 Final Grade: A The 2nd half became very sloppy, nevertheless the Hoyas won the game by 19pts (despite not covering the spread, -25). This game is the warmup game to the Orangemen and the Hoyas will need to take better control of the ball to have a chance at an upset... Onto Syracuse. Upset? We will be favored. Upset...due to Syracuse is ranked and Hoyas are not. Also the Orangmen have beat 2 ranked opponents. Surprised that the hoyas 3-3 will be favored over Syracuse 6-0. What do you think the line will be?
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 1, 2015 22:07:31 GMT -5
Do not understand the rotation in second half at all unless 3 was trying to send a message. Ike was definitely benched after taking a few shots early in the clock. Reports from the game that JT3 did not look happy.
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Post by Bay99 on Dec 1, 2015 22:22:59 GMT -5
Glad to see DSR get going, but this wasn't a particularly reassuring win. The turnover count was insane. And I understand that the staff is still getting a feel for different combinations and the rotation, and that's something you like to do against outmatched opponents, but it didn't feel like that's what was going on tonight (watching on TV).
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 1, 2015 22:26:49 GMT -5
Do not understand the rotation in second half at all unless 3 was trying to send a message. Ike was definitely benched after taking a few shots early in the clock. Reports from the game that JT3 did not look happy. Ike took two long range jumpers (including one very long two pointer) early in the shot clock without running any offense. They weren't terrible looks, but weren't as good as they probably could have gotten by swinging the ball around once or twice. The bigger issue in my view was he was very weak with the ball on multiple occasions. He's a talent, but he and L.J. are both very far away from being NBA players, in my view. If either left after this year, they'd be making a mistake. Ike needs to put on at least 10 more pounds of good weight.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 1, 2015 22:26:52 GMT -5
Do not understand the rotation in second half at all unless 3 was trying to send a message. I agree with this. It was just odd, especially w/hayes. I get right now he's their best low post option but if the intent at the end was defense and ft shooting to protect the lead thats his worst attributes. Hayes played 28 mins. Derrickson, Govan, and White 31 mins combined. Aren't these the type of games that we should be building the bench? Getting White some extra minutes? Will Kaleb just fall almost completely out of the rotation w/campbell back? Just seemed very odd.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 1, 2015 22:26:58 GMT -5
The second half felt sort of weird to me - maybe it was the odd lineups, or Copeland sitting for a good bit, but it just didn't feel like anything was clicking, except that DSR was playing well. I do think Thompson probably put Campbell in simply to get minutes in (which does raise the question of why White didn't do the same), so maybe Thompson was tinkering, but it's unclear.
I would not call this a reassuring win, but it demonstrates we can clearly play better, and will have to play better against Syracuse. Keep in mind there was an absolutely dismal crowd there tonight, whereas there will likely be a sellout or near sellout for Saturday's game. I don't think there was much home court advantage tonight; there should be on Saturday.
I am not sure what the lineup will look like on Saturday, but I would not be surprised at all if it's a shorter rotation than what we saw tonight.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 1, 2015 22:31:21 GMT -5
Ugly, bad game imo. I think probably worse playing wise than the Radford game. Besides the weird rotations, why did we go to man defense in the second half? We cannot play man to man, even against UMES. We are that bad at at. Please stop doing it.
We will see what they got against Syracuse, but I'm not hopeful after that performance.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 1, 2015 22:34:03 GMT -5
For all the talk about defense (which is totally legitimate), the offense was quite putrid once you take out DSR. DSR had a monster 162 O rating for the game, and Campbell had 131. Nobody else was over 100. Hayes 94, Derrickson 91, Cameron 87, Peak 67, Govan 52, Copeland 21. That's really bad offense without DSR.
The encouraging factor is that all of these guys have had better games against much better opponents. We need more than a 21 O rating from Copeland if we are to beat Syracuse on Saturday.
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Post by hobokenhoya on Dec 1, 2015 22:40:22 GMT -5
Upset...due to Syracuse is ranked and Hoyas are not. Also the Orangmen have beat 2 ranked opponents. Surprised that the hoyas 3-3 will be favored over Syracuse 6-0. What do you think the line will be? Hoyas 1.5-2 Vegas knows 2 of the Hoyas 3 losses were away from home against top 5 teams and that the first game was an aberration. We were only 1.5 point dogs neutral court against Wisconsin when people weren't sure how iffy they were yet. #2 Maryland is 8.5 point dogs at #9 UNC. Rankings have nothing to do with point spreads. And because we are home and most people still remember we were more highly thought of than Syracuse entering this season, that despite rankings, record and Syracuse admittedly playing very well thusfar, I believe we will be favored. Isn't this a game we EXPECT to win? I do.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 1, 2015 23:03:37 GMT -5
Something tells me this team is going to break our hearts. Very talented but very young. Why do Govan and Derrickson look lost and afraid? I think we need to get a little meaner. Jesse Sapp-Jabril Trawick mean. Really curious to see what a sold out home game against a hated rival does to these guys.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 1, 2015 23:09:14 GMT -5
5 min to game time and there are literally about 150 people here. Maybe 30 students. Attendance: 4,062: the smallest regular season home crowd in 31 years. www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/bball.htm
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Dec 1, 2015 23:11:05 GMT -5
Very weird game management by III. As someone said, if he was trying to send a message great, but the lack of subs was bizarre. I wonder if Paul White is fully healthy. Very few minutes for him is concerning. No subs for 10 mins was nuts
Welcome back DSR. Needs to stay hot on Sat.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 1, 2015 23:26:49 GMT -5
I'm fairly sure JT3 knows what's up with Paul's health better than we do. And Reggie was playing better than either Cope or Paul (in limited minutes) so why sit him? Isaac and DSR continue to be bad on D and Reggie was far better than either of those guys on the defensive end so Isaac sits. DSR, however, was scoring so he plays. Reggie was also rebounding or, at the least, positioning himself to rebound better than Isaac. He was also getting steals and trying to make plays and not just settling for a long 2 or 3. Derrickson did some good things offensively and on the boards in the first and then, not so much. So he sat. The guys that were putting in the effort on both ends (except for DSR) were playing. Seemed pretty clear. DSR had some bad blown coverages that lead to 3's at what could have been critical times in the game. But he outscored his lapses tonight on ensuing plays. Later in the second, DSR was clearly more engaged on D than he had been early because, I assume, he got his ass chewed a bit. Even during the "coach's huddle" segment, JT3 was clearly directing his defensive displeasure at DSR. None of us know the whys but it seemed like the guys busting it played more. I'm fine with that.
Overall, very sloppy game but the Hoyas did what they needed to do and won easily. They also adjusted fairly well to a team that they haven't played and assimilated a good amount of the scouting report. I'm glad 3 scheduled the game because they are scrappy and they grab and trap and work for every loose ball. All important looks to get comfortable with moving forward. I hope their buttholes puckered a bit when UMES closed the gap in the mid to late second and had Radford flashbacks. Playing good teams close shouldn't wash that glaring shortcoming away at any point this season if only as a reminder that you can lose on any night when you're not leaving what you have to give on the floor.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 2, 2015 0:02:53 GMT -5
I'm fairly sure JT3 knows what's up with Paul's health better than we do. And Reggie was playing better than either Cope or Paul (in limited minutes) so why sit him? Isaac and DSR continue to be bad on D and Reggie was far better than either of those guys on the defensive end so Isaac sits. DSR, however, was scoring so he plays. Reggie was also rebounding or, at the least, positioning himself to rebound better than Isaac. He was also getting steals and trying to make plays and not just settling for a long 2 or 3. Derrickson did some good things offensively and on the boards in the first and then, not so much. So he sat. The guys that were putting in the effort on both ends (except for DSR) were playing. Seemed pretty clear. DSR had some bad blown coverages that lead to 3's at what could have been critical times in the game. But he outscored his lapses tonight on ensuing plays. Later in the second, DSR was clearly more engaged on D than he had been early because, I assume, he got his ass chewed a bit. Even during the "coach's huddle" segment, JT3 was clearly directing his defensive displeasure at DSR. None of us know the whys but it seemed like the guys busting it played more. I'm fine with that. Overall, very sloppy game but the Hoyas did what they needed to do and won easily. They also adjusted fairly well to a team that they haven't played and assimilated a good amount of the scouting report. I'm glad 3 scheduled the game because they are scrappy and they grab and trap and work for every loose ball. All important looks to get comfortable with moving forward. I hope their buttholes puckered a bit when UMES closed the gap in the mid to late second and had Radford flashbacks. Playing good teams close shouldn't wash that glaring shortcoming away at any point this season if only as a reminder that you can lose on any night when you're not leaving what you have to give on the floor. Cause PW is coming off an injury & can use the court time.. I love what Reggie has done this year but I'm still of the mind that PW can help to bring the team closer to it's max potential.. Imo he's a better fit/player than Reggie, Kaleb or Derrickson..
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Post by tashoya on Dec 2, 2015 0:16:03 GMT -5
I'm fairly sure JT3 knows what's up with Paul's health better than we do. And Reggie was playing better than either Cope or Paul (in limited minutes) so why sit him? Isaac and DSR continue to be bad on D and Reggie was far better than either of those guys on the defensive end so Isaac sits. DSR, however, was scoring so he plays. Reggie was also rebounding or, at the least, positioning himself to rebound better than Isaac. He was also getting steals and trying to make plays and not just settling for a long 2 or 3. Derrickson did some good things offensively and on the boards in the first and then, not so much. So he sat. The guys that were putting in the effort on both ends (except for DSR) were playing. Seemed pretty clear. DSR had some bad blown coverages that lead to 3's at what could have been critical times in the game. But he outscored his lapses tonight on ensuing plays. Later in the second, DSR was clearly more engaged on D than he had been early because, I assume, he got his ass chewed a bit. Even during the "coach's huddle" segment, JT3 was clearly directing his defensive displeasure at DSR. None of us know the whys but it seemed like the guys busting it played more. I'm fine with that. Overall, very sloppy game but the Hoyas did what they needed to do and won easily. They also adjusted fairly well to a team that they haven't played and assimilated a good amount of the scouting report. I'm glad 3 scheduled the game because they are scrappy and they grab and trap and work for every loose ball. All important looks to get comfortable with moving forward. I hope their buttholes puckered a bit when UMES closed the gap in the mid to late second and had Radford flashbacks. Playing good teams close shouldn't wash that glaring shortcoming away at any point this season if only as a reminder that you can lose on any night when you're not leaving what you have to give on the floor. Cause PW is coming off an injury & can use the court time.. I love what Reggie has done this year but I'm still of the mind that PW can help to bring the team closer to it's max potential.. Imo he's a better fit/player than Reggie, Kaleb or Derrickson.. I don't disagree. But Reggie has been the better player in every aspect so far. So Reggie played.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 2, 2015 0:20:32 GMT -5
Cause PW is coming off an injury & can use the court time.. I love what Reggie has done this year but I'm still of the mind that PW can help to bring the team closer to it's max potential.. Imo he's a better fit/player than Reggie, Kaleb or Derrickson.. I don't disagree. But Reggie has been the better player in every aspect so far. So Reggie played. But PW has been hurt the entire year, that has to matter..
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Post by prhoya on Dec 2, 2015 0:56:20 GMT -5
Maybe he didn't need to play much, just getting the rust out... Why wouldn't he need the court time PR? I meant that JT3 didn't need him to play that much...
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 2, 2015 1:00:37 GMT -5
Something tells me this team is going to break our hearts. Very talented but very young. Why do Govan and Derrickson look lost and afraid? I think we need to get a little meaner. Jesse Sapp-Jabril Trawick mean. Really curious to see what a sold out home game against a hated rival does to these guys. Just like that hunch that told you that Tre Campbell was in imminent peril with his illness, right?
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