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Post by guru on Nov 17, 2015 10:58:09 GMT -5
Who was the second senior who started after playing tons of minutes last year??? " and 2 sophomores who played a ton last year" Ike and Peak. In today's college basketball, we do not qualify as a young team. We actually have a star senior player, and two seniors starting. That's fairly rare. We may not be any good this season, but it won't be because of our "youth"
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Post by guru on Nov 17, 2015 11:00:22 GMT -5
Since the Melo thread is locked, did we really fail to offer him a scholarship/ seriously look at him...that is UNBELIEVABLE. if true, it's lunacy. But water under the bridge... Tre played (and sometimes outplayed) Trimble in high school, so he won't be intimidated by the matchup. Derrickson too. That's what I like about a true local rivalry - some of these kids have been playing each other for years.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 17, 2015 11:10:45 GMT -5
Is it too early to question why he received so few minutes last year? Might find out tonight... This has already come up multiple times. By all accounts, Hayes has improved a lot over the last year, so I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense to question his minutes last year. It's also one of those questions that cannot be answered because none of us know how he played in practice last year versus this year.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Nov 17, 2015 11:22:16 GMT -5
" and 2 sophomores who played a ton last year" Ike and Peak. In today's college basketball, we do not qualify as a young team. We actually have a star senior player, and two seniors starting. That's fairly rare. We may not be any good this season, but it won't be because of our "youth" Disagree. We have one player with significant experience (and he admittedly has a ton). Sure, we start another senior....but he has less experience in games than do our sophomores. He's basically a freshman too. Look at it this way: The nine guys that played meaningful minutes against Radford have a combined nine years of game experience (giving Bradley zero but Reggie two). That's not a lot. I get that the blue-blooded programs frequently have guys that play only a year or two, but they're also guys who are lottery picks in the short term, so they're inexperienced but wildly talented. And it's simply not always true that they're always inexperienced. North Carolina? Their starting five alone has eight years of meaningful game experience (and that doesn't count Paige!). Maryland? Their starting five also has eight. Heck, Duke (rebuilding Duke!) has 10 years of experience in their starting five. We're young. And our young guys are not consensus top-10 picks. That's just reality.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 17, 2015 11:23:31 GMT -5
He suggests that we were as prepared as we could've been with the increased access to the coaches. He thinks that you can justify the loss anyway we want, but at the end of the day he thinks we lost just because we're not very good, not because it was day 1 of the season. I see your point, I guess the optimist in me didn't see that take.. Much easier to believe the team was Ill prepared as opposed to being a bad squad..
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 17, 2015 11:32:41 GMT -5
He suggests that we were as prepared as we could've been with the increased access to the coaches. He thinks that you can justify the loss anyway we want, but at the end of the day he thinks we lost just because we're not very good, not because it was day 1 of the season. I see your point, I guess the optimist in me didn't see that take.. Much easier to believe the team was I'll prepared as opposed to being a bad squad.. Oh no, yeah it's a horrible analysis he's basically judging us after one game and if he can't see the pieces he's just a clown
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 17, 2015 11:41:00 GMT -5
So I organized a work trip to DC and my day's activities around College Park. I can tell you there were roughly 25 UMD students lined up at Xfinity at 9am this morning. I saw the Georgetown bus on campus about 40 minutes ago. Just a few more hours to kill...
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Post by prhoya on Nov 17, 2015 11:51:11 GMT -5
Is it too early to question why he received so few minutes last year? Might find out tonight... No, I've been doing it since the NIT game vs FSU.
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Post by This Just In on Nov 17, 2015 11:53:35 GMT -5
Versus Eastern Washington (1st Rd) in the NCAA's:
Georgetown was down 21-17 @ the 8:43 minute mark in the 1st half with Josh Smith in foul trouble and on the bench. Bradley Hayes gets his first rebound coincidentally an offensive rebound which helps Gtown gain control of the game and end the half with a 43 to 33 lead. Bradley Hayes did not play significant minutes in the 2nd half and still ended the game with 10 mins., 8pts., 6 rebs.(4 off.), 1 asst., 0 t.o.'s (3/3 FG's, 2/2 FT's)...not bad for a guy who rarely got playing time for 3 years.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 17, 2015 11:53:15 GMT -5
" and 2 sophomores who played a ton last year" Ike and Peak. In today's college basketball, we do not qualify as a young team. We actually have a star senior player, and two seniors starting. That's fairly rare. We may not be any good this season, but it won't be because of our "youth" Our playing time weighted experience ranks 201st in D-1. A little young, but not incredibly young. If you factor in that Hayes counts as "3 years" with minimal playing time and Cameron counts as "2" and he got decent minutes in game 1, we're probably Young but not Super Young.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 17, 2015 12:00:09 GMT -5
Is it too early to question why he received so few minutes last year? Might find out tonight... This has already come up multiple times. By all accounts, Hayes has improved a lot over the last year, so I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense to question his minutes last year. It's also one of those questions that cannot be answered because none of us know how he played in practice last year versus this year. But, the fact is we do know how he played in a NIT tournament game vs a very tall FSU team as a sophomore. JT3 decided not to put him in as a junior until he had to and he played great. Choosing to ignore the facts is a personal choice.
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Post by guru on Nov 17, 2015 12:06:03 GMT -5
In today's college basketball, we do not qualify as a young team. We actually have a star senior player, and two seniors starting. That's fairly rare. We may not be any good this season, but it won't be because of our "youth" Our playing time weighted experience ranks 201st in D-1. A little young, but not incredibly young. If you factor in that Hayes counts as "3 years" with minimal playing time and Cameron counts as "2" and he got decent minutes in game 1, we're probably Young but not Super Young. On the other hand, our sophomores must count as 1, but they played a ton of minutes. Letting this team off the hook as "young" doesn't really acknowledge the current college game, IMO.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 17, 2015 12:07:34 GMT -5
Versus Eastern Washington (1st Rd) in the NCAA's: Georgetown was down 21-17 @ the 8:43 minute mark in the 1st half with Josh Smith in foul trouble and on the bench. Bradley Hayes gets his first rebound coincidentally an offensive rebound which helps Gtown gain control of the game and end the half with a 43 to 33 lead. Bradley Hayes did not play significant minutes in the 2nd half and still ended the game with 10 mins., 8pts., 6 rebs.(4 off.), 1 asst., 0 t.o.'s (3/3 FG's, 2/2 FT's)...not bad for a guy who rarely got playing time for 3 years. Why didn't he play in the second half?
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 17, 2015 12:10:35 GMT -5
This has already come up multiple times. By all accounts, Hayes has improved a lot over the last year, so I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense to question his minutes last year. It's also one of those questions that cannot be answered because none of us know how he played in practice last year versus this year. But, the fact is we do know how he played in a NIT tournament game vs a very tall FSU team as a sophomore. JT3 decided not to put him in as a junior until he had to and he played great. Choosing to ignore the facts is a personal choice. I think tonight's the true test for him. I'm not completely sold on him yet. He's shown the he can be very productive against teams that have nobody taller tha 6-7 (Ewu, radford). But we need to see if Bradley Mountain Man Mode Hayes is the real deal versus bigger teams.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 17, 2015 12:13:28 GMT -5
Our playing time weighted experience ranks 201st in D-1. A little young, but not incredibly young. If you factor in that Hayes counts as "3 years" with minimal playing time and Cameron counts as "2" and he got decent minutes in game 1, we're probably Young but not Super Young. On the other hand, our sophomores must count as 1, but they played a ton of minutes. Letting this team off the hook as "young" doesn't really acknowledge the current college game, IMO. The 201st compared to all college teams absolutely acknowledges the current college game. They are a little young to average if you count Hayes and Cameron as experienced. If you don't, they are young.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 17, 2015 12:15:05 GMT -5
And we're going to need all available bodies because Maryland's froncourt is 6'11, 6'9", and 6'9" (according to the front page).
No tweet on White?
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Post by prhoya on Nov 17, 2015 12:19:29 GMT -5
I'm feeling good about tonight's game. Before the start of the season, I thought we were going to surprise Maryland after playing 12 players in a Radford rout. Maryland would be intrigued, but arrogant ("it's only Radford"). Now, after the loss, they think we're a joke and overrated. Perfect scenario! JT3 could not have planned it any better...
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Post by This Just In on Nov 17, 2015 12:32:48 GMT -5
Versus Eastern Washington (1st Rd) in the NCAA's: Georgetown was down 21-17 @ the 8:43 minute mark in the 1st half with Josh Smith in foul trouble and on the bench. Bradley Hayes gets his first rebound coincidentally an offensive rebound which helps Gtown gain control of the game and end the half with a 43 to 33 lead. Bradley Hayes did not play significant minutes in the 2nd half and still ended the game with 10 mins., 8pts., 6 rebs.(4 off.), 1 asst., 0 t.o.'s (3/3 FG's, 2/2 FT's)...not bad for a guy who rarely got playing time for 3 years. Why didn't he play in the second half? Coaches decision.
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Post by guru on Nov 17, 2015 12:33:41 GMT -5
On the other hand, our sophomores must count as 1, but they played a ton of minutes. Letting this team off the hook as "young" doesn't really acknowledge the current college game, IMO. The 201st compared to all college teams absolutely acknowledges the current college game. They are a little young to average if you count Hayes and Cameron as experienced. If you don't, they are young. Assuming you're using kenpom stats? They're a bit skewed as they don't seem to include teams who haven't played a game yet. Weird. Anyway, whether you want to call them young or not, the point is that youth should not be an excuse for this team or any team in college hoops. It's immaterial.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Nov 17, 2015 12:37:30 GMT -5
The 201st compared to all college teams absolutely acknowledges the current college game. They are a little young to average if you count Hayes and Cameron as experienced. If you don't, they are young. Assuming you're using kenpom stats? They're a bit skewed as they don't seem to include teams who haven't played a game yet. Weird. Anyway, whether you want to call them young or not, the point is that youth should not be an excuse for this team or any team in college hoops. It's immaterial. Why should it not be material? It's not necessarily a bad thing (or an excuse). It can be a good thing. For example, can we win in spite of our inexperience? Of course, and we all believe we should and will. Does it mean we potentially have a higher ceiling than teams that aren't as young? Yes, and we better have room to improve! We shouldn't have lost to Radford -- young or not. And we better grow up awfully quickly or we're going to start 0-4. But it's plainly material.
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