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Post by Talos on Aug 20, 2015 17:46:07 GMT -5
Not having the two guards probably was not the main issue today, it was the defense. Or.... not having DSR and Campbell could be related to how the defense played. Yes, if DSR and Tre were good on-ball defenders.....but they're not. Regardless, this loss means absolutely nothing in the long run. Only 8 scholarship players in an August exhibition game with hostile officials...
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Post by kchoya on Aug 20, 2015 17:47:31 GMT -5
This clip shows that Kaleb has a nose for the ball.. The sweep over move to get past that dude's weak @ss attempt at a box out was nice imo, some kids just let themselves get boxed out especially freshman in blowout games.. When I watch Kaleb, I see a little smaller/more skilled version of JYD. He's more aggressive and physical than he looks, and does a lot of different things to help the team win. More skilled? Really?
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Post by kchoya on Aug 20, 2015 17:49:55 GMT -5
Or.... not having DSR and Campbell could be related to how the defense played. Yes, if DSR and Tre were good on-ball defenders.....but they're not. Regardless, this loss means absolutely nothing in the long run. Only 8 scholarship players in an August exhibition game with hostile officials... I see. Having two returning players will have no impact on the defense player by a team employing multiple freshman unless those missing players were good on-ball defenders? Good to know.
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 20, 2015 17:52:48 GMT -5
Tough game....but in my opinion we needed a game like this more than we needed another 59 point blowout. We ran into a well oiled European machine that passed well, hit contested threes, and had us scrambling on D. We also has refs who let them hack our bigs inside essentially taking away any advantage we may have had in the paint.
That being said, strangely ....we looked pretty good. Reggie was solid again...hit some big shots with the shot clock expiring and is the top scorer for the HOYAS through the first three games. Kaleb looked good again and Mourning scored well into double digits and is looking more and more comfortable.
LJP, Copeland and White need to be more consistent and stay aggressive throughout the game. All three go through spurts where they disappear. As was mentioned, no DSR, no Campbell, no Hayes and no Agau. Not worried at all.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 20, 2015 18:05:59 GMT -5
Although perimeter defense has been a problem for recent Hoya teams, it should be remembered that this team that played today is comprised entirely of freshmen and sophomores and inexperienced upperclassmen.Hate to be the one to say this but except for DSR, that's the makeup of our 2015-16 Georgetown Hoyas! We are probably going to have 1 or 2 stinkers during the season (USF during Otto's sophomore year) and a few other games where we struggle with inferior teams but will be bailed out by DSR or somebody else and pull out a win late. This team will probably play up for the teams with name value like the Twerps, criminals from the prison in upstate NY, Wisconsin and Puke, but struggle against a Charlotte or Depaul but still win a close game and lose to a middle level team that we shouldn't lose to like we did tonight. The goal is for us to start to peak (no pun intended) by mid to late January, hit our stride in late February and ride the momentum to hanging another National Championship banner. Marching towards a National Championship is the goal (that was a poor attempt at a pun).
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Post by trillesthoya on Aug 20, 2015 18:10:54 GMT -5
The worry coming into this season was always defense. With Jabril and Mikael gone we lost in my opinion our two best defenders. Today's loss just shows that while our freshmen have some major potential and tons of energy, they're still freshmen. Playing D in college is going to be a huge transition from high school, and the growing pains will be there this year, especially against more experienced teams.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 20, 2015 20:21:31 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Aug 20, 2015 23:17:48 GMT -5
Although perimeter defense has been a problem for recent Hoya teams, it should be remembered that this team that played today is comprised entirely of freshmen and sophomores and inexperienced upperclassmen.Hate to be the one to say this but except for DSR, that's the makeup of our 2015-16 Georgetown Hoyas! Exactly! This roster is DSR and the Young and Inexperienced...
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 21, 2015 5:49:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 9:08:43 GMT -5
Georgetown finished the game shooting 49.3 percent from the floor (34-of-69), including 25.0 percent from 3-point land (3-of-12), and 73.7 percent from the free throw line (14-of-19). GU out-rebounded BC Atletas 39-33, handed out 19 assists and committed only eight turnovers.
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Post by aristides on Aug 21, 2015 10:10:31 GMT -5
Tough game....but in my opinion we needed a game like this more than we needed another 59 point blowout. We ran into a well oiled European machine that passed well, hit contested threes, and had us scrambling on D. We also has refs who let them hack our bigs inside essentially taking away any advantage we may have had in the paint. That being said, strangely ....we looked pretty good. Reggie was solid again...hit some big shots with the shot clock expiring and is the top scorer for the HOYAS through the first three games. Kaleb looked good again and Mourning scored well into double digits and is looking more and more comfortable. LJP, Copeland and White need to be more consistent and stay aggressive throughout the game. All three go through spurts where they disappear. As was mentioned, no DSR, no Campbell, no Hayes and no Agau. Not worried at all. Thanks for the report. I like that JTIII offered none of those excuses in his post-game interview. I expect a team of Peak, Copeland, White, Govan, et al to beat a Lithuanian pro team. Sounds like the guys just weren't clicking on defense yesterday, which is disappointing but it's August. Derrickson possibly making a case for a starting role should make the competition in practice stronger. I'm looking forward to how they respond in the Swiss game.
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Post by FLHoya on Aug 21, 2015 10:32:50 GMT -5
I expect a team of Peak, Copeland, White, Govan, et al to beat a Lithuanian pro team. I'm not embarrassed to say I hadn't considered the matter in any detail. That seems like an awfully specific thing to have in the mental bank.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 21, 2015 10:36:53 GMT -5
Although perimeter defense has been a problem for recent Hoya teams, it should be remembered that this team that played today is comprised entirely of freshmen and sophomores and inexperienced upperclassmen.Hate to be the one to say this but except for DSR, that's the makeup of our 2015-16 Georgetown Hoyas! And that's precisely why no one should get worked up over a lack of lock down defense in August. All of those players can only get better.
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Aug 21, 2015 12:30:19 GMT -5
Hate to be the one to say this but except for DSR, that's the makeup of our 2015-16 Georgetown Hoyas! And that's precisely why no one should get worked up over a lack of lock down defense in August. All of those players can only get better. I'm with kc on this (after he picks himself up off the floor-- ). HOWEVER, any team that gives up 16 threes, whether in a European-exhibition or a, ahem, NCAA 1st round tournament game, deserves to lose. My biggest critique of IIIs tenure hasn't focused on the offensive side---it's been matching the defensive intensity/execution of his father's teams.....
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Post by smokeyjack on Aug 21, 2015 13:17:03 GMT -5
And that's precisely why no one should get worked up over a lack of lock down defense in August. All of those players can only get better. I'm with kc on this (after he picks himself up off the floor-- ). HOWEVER, any team that gives up 16 threes, whether in a European-exhibition or a, ahem, NCAA 1st round tournament game, deserves to lose. My biggest critique of IIIs tenure hasn't focused on the offensive side---it's been matching the defensive intensity/execution of his father's teams..... Totally nailed it with the defensive intensity bit. GU in the JT3 era has been terminally plagued in the NCAA tournament by two shortcomings: 1)Inability to defend with a high level of intensity 2)Negative free throw differential - we rarely have guards who can get to the line while our opponents routinely do by exploiting weakness 1. In last three NCAA tourney losses, all to lower-seeded teams, Georgetown has watched its opponents shoot 107 FTs to its 46. If that doesn't seem so lopsided, think about it from a avg perspective (35.7-15.3). That is officially a joke. In my opinion , we're not winning anything until we learn to be more efficient getting to the line and keeping our opponents off it. Just a huge, huge hole in JT3's approach.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 21, 2015 14:00:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry but the offense has just been if not more problematic in those NCAA losses. If guards from lower seeded teams, most of them being from so-called mid major schools, are getting to the FT line that much more than the Hoyas guards then the issue is the way the offense is ran. By that I mean some teams run an offense that encourage aggression by emphasizing fastbreaks and drives the to the basket (which leads to more FTs) while Gtown relies more on its guards getting open looks for jump shots. Those are just facts. Unless some of you want to argue that in each instance the Gtown guards were athletically inferior to the guards of those smaller programs. I keep bringing this up because at times many of you skirt over the issue that the Hoyas' offense leads to different outcomes than most standard college offenses.
And taking it a step further one can look at the fg percentage the Hoyas made in all of those losses and see that most times it is woeful. The offense never seems to be as crisp and flowing and aggressive as it needs to be for an ENTIRE game (not one half of a game, or one quarter of a game). To me such a lack of execution on the big stage needs to be addressed just as much as any shortcomings in defensive intensity. The Hoyas should execute on both ends of the court. Yes, if the execution on offense is bad then better defense is needed but so are more drives to the basket in order to get points via the FT line.
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Post by FLHoya on Aug 21, 2015 14:14:04 GMT -5
At this rate, Hoyatalk should have a sub-board called "Six Degrees of the FGCU Game". I suggest calling it "The Fainting Couch".
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Post by smokeyjack on Aug 21, 2015 14:14:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry but the offense has just been if not more problematic in those NCAA losses. If guards from lower seeded teams, most of them being from so-called mid major schools, are getting to the FT line that much more than the Hoyas guards then the issue is the way the offense is ran. By that I mean some teams run an offense that encourage aggression by emphasizing fastbreaks and drives the to the basket (which leads to more FTs) while Gtown relies more on its guards getting open looks for jump shots. Those are just facts. Unless some of you want to argue that in each instance the Gtown guards were athletically inferior to the guards of those smaller programs. I keep bringing this up because at times many of you skirt over the issue that the Hoyas' offense leads to different outcomes than most standard college offenses. And taking it a step further one can look at the fg percentage the Hoyas made in all of those losses and see that most times it is woeful. The offense never seems to be as crisp and flowing and aggressive as it needs to be for an ENTIRE game (not one half of a game, or one quarter of a game). To me such a lack of execution on the big stage needs to be addressed just as much as any shortcomings in defensive intensity. The Hoyas should execute on both ends of the court. Yes, if the execution on offense is bad then better defense is needed but so are more drives to the basket in order to get points via the FT line. [ I think we're in violent agreement g MCI - I think we literally need a fundamental change in the way that we/JT3 sees the PG and or guard roles. IMO, your point needs to be able handle, defend, slash/get to the line, facilitate and shoot (in that priority order). We don't need another point who can bang 3s, we need one who can defend and get to the rim/line. Ask Tom Izzo how those guys do in NCAAs.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 21, 2015 15:05:43 GMT -5
I think we're in violent agreement g MCI - I think we literally need a fundamental change in the way that we/JT3 sees the PG and or guard roles. IMO, your point needs to be able handle, defend, slash/get to the line, facilitate and shoot (in that priority order). We don't need another point who can bang 3s, we need one who can defend and get to the rim/line. Ask Tom Izzo how those guys do in NCAAs. Another point who can bang 3s??? How many do you think we've had under JT3? For me, that would be a prolific 3-pt shooter, i.e. 40+% from 3. At PG under JT3? DSR is a converted PG, but he is not an over 40% 3-pt shooter. Some here don't think he's a PG. Markel? Only one season over 40%.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 21, 2015 15:09:22 GMT -5
I'm with kc on this (after he picks himself up off the floor-- ). HOWEVER, any team that gives up 16 threes, whether in a European-exhibition or a, ahem, NCAA 1st round tournament game, deserves to lose. My biggest critique of IIIs tenure hasn't focused on the offensive side---it's been matching the defensive intensity/execution of his father's teams..... Totally nailed it with the defensive intensity bit. GU in the JT3 era has been terminally plagued in the NCAA tournament by two shortcomings: 1)Inability to defend with a high level of intensity Except that the statistics don't support your argument. I'm too lazy to search back through old posts, but I know someone on here also posts the stats on the squad's historical defensive ratings, and how good they were.
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