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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 8, 2015 16:12:45 GMT -5
B&G - is the interest mutual? FF-He named us in his final 3 along with TN and Baylor (or so said Jon Rothstein), so I would hope so. Thanks BVB - I had not paid enough attention I guess!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 8, 2015 16:13:39 GMT -5
B&G - is the interest mutual? He's down to three schools: ✔ @jonrothstein Follow South Florida transfer Anthony Collins has cut his list to Georgetown, Tennessee, and Baylor, source told @cbssports. Immediately eligible. Thanks for the info. Would be an interesting addition.
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Post by nychoya3 on Apr 8, 2015 16:13:47 GMT -5
It's a little optimistic to say we have a group of shooters around him. DSR is the only guy who I would consider a proven threat from deep. We have other guys who can hit threes, but none of them have the track record to say they're going to shoot a high percentage on a high number of shots. Certainly not Peak or White. Tre is probably the guy I trust the most outside of DSR as a shooter at this point.
But anyway, Collins would definitely give us a different look and let us do some stuff with DSR to play him off the ball more. He'd be an interesting guy to see us integrate into our offense.
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Post by calhoya on Apr 8, 2015 16:17:42 GMT -5
Collins may not be able to shoot, but he's such a good passer and such a good ballhandler that it doesn't hurt you at all. Plus, think of this: DSR, Peak, White, Copeland, Derrickson are all guys who can make 3-pointers. Tre Campbell makes threes and Jessie Govan makes mid-range jumpers. That means Collins would have a stable of shooters around him. And that kid gets wherever he wants off the dribble practically whenever he wants. And he's a pest defensively. My only worry is how small the backcourt would be defensively. But if we do get Collins, next year has the potential to be the best offensive Georgetown team since 1996. Even if we don't get him, we have elite potential offensively. That makes sense, provided Peak gets a lot better from behind the arc as a sophomore. He made less than a quarter of his threes this year. (17/69 aka 24.6%). In any scenario next year Peak must improve his outside shot for the Hoyas to realize their potential. The same is true of White becoming more consistent and developing a better handle and Tre improving his lateral defense. The positive is that the coaches and the players know this too and can be certain to work on it. Getting an early start this summer will help a young team.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 8, 2015 16:23:56 GMT -5
There are others that I would prefer instead of Collins. I did not watch South Florida this year because they were not on TV at all, but if my memory serves me right, I remember teams would play way off him daring him to shoot. Not a very good shooter. I do not want to play 4 vs 5 on offense anymore. My order of preference would be: 1. Damion Lee 2. Kenny Williams 3. Adam Smith You make it sound like we're signing free agents and have a lot of cap space. In reality Lee can go virtually anywhere and Williams is unlikely to reopen (and if he does he'll have big offers too). I don't think you can really compare Collins to those guys, the better comparison is Collins vs. Nobody. For one year, there is virtually no downside, and it's great to have some insurance in the event of injury or if we face teams who can expose our lack of ballhandling. For several days now we've lamented the lack of guards on the team--Collins is one of the best options still out there (grad transfer or unsigned 2015 recruit) and he doesn't clog things up for recruits in 2016. If we can get him, seems like a no-brainer. If other options like Smith are available, that's great too. But virtually no downside to a grad transfer guard, and if Collins is the best we can get (very possible) let's lock him up.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 8, 2015 16:24:01 GMT -5
Adding a 1-year guard for depth makes a lot of sense for next year.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 8, 2015 16:33:13 GMT -5
What is this about Peak not being able to knock down the three. The guy is much more versatile than we give him credit for. The problem is that is slashing running shot is bread and butter, and, it seems to me, that's what he was being called upon to do. One can always practice shooting the three, however.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 8, 2015 16:42:08 GMT -5
What is this about Peak not being able to knock down the three. The guy is much more versatile than we give him credit for. The problem is that is slashing running shot is bread and butter, and, it seems to me, that's what he was being called upon to do. One can always practice shooting the three, however. Kind of hard to say that a guy that hit fewer than 25% of his threes can shoot the three, isn't it? He can obviously improve, but his 3 point percentage was ugly this past year.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 8, 2015 16:51:38 GMT -5
What is this about Peak not being able to knock down the three. The guy is much more versatile than we give him credit for. The problem is that is slashing running shot is bread and butter, and, it seems to me, that's what he was being called upon to do. One can always practice shooting the three, however. Kind of hard to say that a guy that hit fewer than 25% of his threes can shoot the three, isn't it? He can obviously improve, but his 3 point percentage was ugly this past year. I can respect that. However, I am just basing that on all of the comments on Peak coming out of high school where it was stated that in several games he showed off his entire arsenal of shots. There were several games where he scored 38 plus and basically carried his team on his back. Granted that's high school against lesser opponents, but still a guy does not consistently wrack up those kinds of numbers by not being able to hit the three. To be honest with you, I think a lot of it boils down to confidence. I think you will see Peak the scoring from all over the court machine that he is next year. The guy really is a natural scorer, as JT3 has pointed out. As a matter of fact, Coach has compared him to Jeff Green in that respect.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 8, 2015 18:02:13 GMT -5
Fully on board with adding Collins and love to hear B&G's comments about III wanting to integrate more on the break. I think next years team will be well suited to run and gun more than others. Perhaps the biggest thing will be allowing DSR to play off the ball. Hope he pops for the Hoyas. Would be really excited for next year.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 8, 2015 18:27:58 GMT -5
I'd rather see the staff go with Tre and bring in an unsigned 2015 kid to be honest..
Bringing in Collins & playing a 3 guard line-up with DSR, Peak & Collins will prevent Tre from getting the experience he'll need to be the lead guy in 2016.. Imo Collins isn't head & shoulders above Tre anyway so why bother?
If Collins were a high percentage 3pt kid like Smith or Lewis or if he were coming in to play 12+ minutes in a back-up role, I wouldn't like it much but would deal with it.. But a pass, pass, pass first pg that can't shoot doesn't do it for me in JT3's system.. Collin's assist #'s are good but not only doesn't he shoot it well from 3, he doesn't shoot period.. He took 206 shots in 1084 minutes of play this past season, his lack of shooting results in a lack of FT's too, he took 56 all year..
Last season Markel avg'd 4.1 assists per game on a team that had one consistent shooter in DSR, he did this while taking over 400 shots & getting 150+ Ft attempts..
Why is Collins 5.2apg total so impressive?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 8, 2015 18:47:44 GMT -5
I think Collins would be a fine addition (especially against a do nothing scenario) but I don't necessarily think he's a lock to start. He'd have to be clearly better than Peak AND Tre next year, and I don't think that's a slam dunk.
Collins can get into the lane and as a sophomore, he assisted on 43% of baskets made while he was on the floor. But that slipped to 31% last year -- DSR was at 20%. He can't shoot from outside, so it kills some of our spacing and despite what people on here have said, he's not immune to turnovers -- he turned over the ball on 26% of the possessions he "used" last year -- that's not great for a ballhandler. In fact, only Hopkins was worse last year. That somewhat overstates his issue but he's never been over 100 in O Rating.
Is he a great defender? I don't know.
I like that he brings a different dimension to the team, so I definitely would want him and he'd get minutes, but this idea that he'd force a 3 guard or kill Tre's minutes is overkill to me.
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Post by gunny on Apr 8, 2015 19:05:26 GMT -5
There are others that I would prefer instead of Collins. I did not watch South Florida this year because they were not on TV at all, but if my memory serves me right, I remember teams would play way off him daring him to shoot. Not a very good shooter. I do not want to play 4 vs 5 on offense anymore. My order of preference would be: 1. Damion Lee 2. Kenny Williams 3. Adam Smith You make it sound like we're signing free agents and have a lot of cap space. In reality Lee can go virtually anywhere and Williams is unlikely to reopen (and if he does he'll have big offers too). I don't think you can really compare Collins to those guys, the better comparison is Collins vs. Nobody. For one year, there is virtually no downside, and it's great to have some insurance in the event of injury or if we face teams who can expose our lack of ballhandling. For several days now we've lamented the lack of guards on the team--Collins is one of the best options still out there (grad transfer or unsigned 2015 recruit) and he doesn't clog things up for recruits in 2016. If we can get him, seems like a no-brainer. If other options like Smith are available, that's great too. But virtually no downside to a grad transfer guard, and if Collins is the best we can get (very possible) let's lock him up. There are better options. I want to explore those first before settling on Collins. I do not want to bring in Collins and take away minutes from Tre. Campbell needs to play 25 minutes and if DSR plays 33 minutes then that only leaves 22 minutes for Collins and whoever else. I just remember watching Big East games and teams playing 4 feet off the guy because he can't shoot from outside. If he is fine with 15 minutes then that is fine by me but no more.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 8, 2015 19:33:47 GMT -5
You make it sound like we're signing free agents and have a lot of cap space. In reality Lee can go virtually anywhere and Williams is unlikely to reopen (and if he does he'll have big offers too). I don't think you can really compare Collins to those guys, the better comparison is Collins vs. Nobody. For one year, there is virtually no downside, and it's great to have some insurance in the event of injury or if we face teams who can expose our lack of ballhandling. For several days now we've lamented the lack of guards on the team--Collins is one of the best options still out there (grad transfer or unsigned 2015 recruit) and he doesn't clog things up for recruits in 2016. If we can get him, seems like a no-brainer. If other options like Smith are available, that's great too. But virtually no downside to a grad transfer guard, and if Collins is the best we can get (very possible) let's lock him up. There are better options. I want to explore those first before settling on Collins. I do not want to bring in Collins and take away minutes from Tre. Campbell needs to play 25 minutes and if DSR plays 33 minutes then that only leaves 22 minutes for Collins and whoever else. I just remember watching Big East games and teams playing 4 feet off the guy because he can't shoot from outside. If he is fine with 15 minutes then that is fine by me but no more. I get this - but on the other hand, how many guys have we lost because we put them on the back burner while "exploring other options"? Can be a dangerous game to play.
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Post by jld on Apr 8, 2015 19:47:38 GMT -5
What are the better options? There is no indication that Damion Lee is considering us, and the Cleveland State guy is going to U of L or Ohio State, as far as superior fifth year guards go. As far as 2015s, Kenny Williams is meeting with new VCU coach this weekend. Even if he leaves VCU, UNC wanted him earlier and many other top programs will swoop in.
If we wait and Collins goes elsewhere, then what? Tre and Peak are solid guys but need to improve, and a guy that has experience and may want to win after going 9-23 last year at USF will give the sophs breathing room. He can also allow DSR to avoid 35+ minutes and be fresh all year.
Many have complained for years that we do not have a PG who can run, drive and break down defenses -- now that we have a shot at such a guy we find fault? The good thing about depth is that JT3 can try different combinations and give different looks depending on match ups, the hot hand, etc. A great example of the involved the frosh this year. In the NCAAs, Tre and White clicked against Eastern Wash, and LJ and Copeland clicked against Utah. A guy like Collins would add a dimension and changes things up.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 8, 2015 19:50:09 GMT -5
Not only that, it's a 1 year rental people. There are not a ton of impact 5th years available. He provides depth. what's the worst thing that happens? He doesn't play much?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 8, 2015 19:56:26 GMT -5
Not only that, it's a 1 year rental people. There are not a ton of impact 5th years available. He provides depth. what's the worst thing that happens? He doesn't play much? I also don't get the weird paranoia about the other guards' minutes. You earn minutes by beating out other guys. Tre and Peak will be fine, and Collins would fill a need -- another ballhandler who brings a different game. Nobody is going to get benched -- both Peak and Tre proved their worth.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 8, 2015 20:17:46 GMT -5
Not only that, it's a 1 year rental people. There are not a ton of impact 5th years available. He provides depth. what's the worst thing that happens? He doesn't play much? I also don't get the weird paranoia about the other guards' minutes. You earn minutes by beating out other guys. Tre and Peak will be fine, and Collins would fill a need -- another ballhandler who brings a different game. Nobody is going to get benched -- both Peak and Tre proved their worth. See the 1st post in this thread..
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 8, 2015 20:37:02 GMT -5
I also don't get the weird paranoia about the other guards' minutes. You earn minutes by beating out other guys. Tre and Peak will be fine, and Collins would fill a need -- another ballhandler who brings a different game. Nobody is going to get benched -- both Peak and Tre proved their worth. See the 1st post in this thread.. Yeah, and I know b&g is connected. I just have confidence that if Tre playing more minutes, for example, is better for the team, that's what will happen. Even with Collins, we only have four real guards. I we play 3 guard for any amount of time, that's still a big amount of time for Peak and Tre.
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Post by mfk24 on Apr 8, 2015 21:01:33 GMT -5
There's so much comedy in this thread. Literally not 3 days ago the handwringing on this board about guard depth had reached astronomical proportions. Even before DSR's fake out, there were people clamping for another ball handler. Some didn't even consider Peak a guard! Now people want the staff to pass for a "better" option. Just so that Collins can go elsewhere and the handwringing can start again! Boggles the mind sometimes, it really does.
As far as Collins, a drive and dish guy is what I think III's teams have always lacked. A guy who can get into the lane at will to feed our bigs for easy buckets will do wonders. We can use him to run pick and roll or pick and pop with our freshman bigs who can both hit jumpers.
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