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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Apr 26, 2015 19:13:24 GMT -5
I agree. My darkhorse pick to win the SEC. Not even sure they can be considered a darkhorse. House is great and Jones isn't shabby either. They were missing quality size this past season and i think they fixed that with Davis and Thomas.
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Post by beenaround on Apr 26, 2015 22:37:38 GMT -5
Will we ever get a commit from a PG again? Seems like its been awhile.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 22:48:20 GMT -5
Will we ever get a commit from a PG again? Seems like its been awhile. Tre..but yeah need to sign another this year for sure
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Post by kchoya on Apr 26, 2015 22:56:14 GMT -5
Will we ever get a commit from a PG again? Seems like its been awhile. Is Tre Campbell not a PG?
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 27, 2015 0:31:53 GMT -5
We eased off on Collins. Like I said before, we want to continue developing Tre to take hold of the reigns ....Collins would bout have been a difference maker and would have only impeded Tre's progress.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 27, 2015 4:59:56 GMT -5
We eased off on Collins. Like I said before, we want to continue developing Tre to take hold of the reigns ....Collins would bout have been a difference maker and would have only impeded Tre's progress. Please try not to let your actual knowledge get in the way of the preferred narrative around here. #treistheway 1 2 3 fireballs
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Post by beenaround on Apr 27, 2015 9:12:46 GMT -5
Will we ever get a commit from a PG again? Seems like its been awhile. Is Tre Campbell not a PG? Its been two years since a PG committed to the Hoyas...Tre committed in May 2013. I am not a recruiting guru, and I am not proclaiming the sky is falling, just expressing a bit of a concern. I do understand, with DSR returning, and luck with injuries, that we are okay for next year.
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Post by Filo on Apr 28, 2015 8:47:47 GMT -5
I think the issue is that there this has been a really active Spring in terms of late commits and transfers. Lots of movement but it really feels like the staff is struggling to land any top-level recruits. We know it is not for lack of effort but, sure, it is a bit unsettling.
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Post by swhoya on Apr 28, 2015 9:00:34 GMT -5
I think the issue is that there this has been a really active Spring in terms of late commits and transfers. Lots of movement but it really feels like the staff is struggling to land any top-level recruits. We know it is not for lack of effort but, sure, it is a bit unsettling. I get the sentiment. I instinctively feel the same way. But rationally...what should our expectations be. There are really only 4-5 "top-level" transfers (or even incoming freshmen that haven't already committed), at least at positions that we have needs. Almost every school out there would like to land one of these guys. Just based on number of recruits vs. number of schools, getting one of these guys was going to be a long shot. At least we appeared to be competitive for a few of them, and might still have a chance at least 1.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 28, 2015 9:32:30 GMT -5
We also have a fairly stacked roster. If you look at our scholarship table, there isn't a lot of dead weight. I can really only see where one/two pkayers would likely not get any expected run next year and maybe one more if you add in a freshman based on development reasons. With the average program having almost two transfers a team a year (which is ridiculous), we have 3 definite spots for '16 and likely more as the transfer mill will eventually catch up to us at some point. Our only issue going into next year is ball-handler depth. With DSR coming back and the development of Peak's handle, we are probably OK there for next year. I think the staff turns their attention to '16 to focus on continuing to bring in high caliber three and four year players like they have done in these last two classes.
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Post by Filo on Apr 28, 2015 9:35:20 GMT -5
I think the issue is that there this has been a really active Spring in terms of late commits and transfers. Lots of movement but it really feels like the staff is struggling to land any top-level recruits. We know it is not for lack of effort but, sure, it is a bit unsettling. I get the sentiment. I instinctively feel the same way. But rationally...what should our expectations be. There are really only 4-5 "top-level" transfers (or even incoming freshmen that haven't already committed), at least at positions that we have needs. Almost every school out there would like to land one of these guys. Just based on number of recruits vs. number of schools, getting one of these guys was going to be a long shot. At least we appeared to be competitive for a few of them, and might still have a chance at least 1. Good points. Hard to argue with the recent recruiting, so to me the concern is more just a function of timing (meaning it looks worse than it is, given the lack of Spring signings), with a sprinkling of concern about lack of guard-play depth.
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Post by Talos on Apr 28, 2015 10:22:57 GMT -5
We eased off on Collins. Like I said before, we want to continue developing Tre to take hold of the reigns ....Collins would bout have been a difference maker and would have only impeded Tre's progress. Not sure I understand why one year of Collins would have impeded Tre's progress. Competition for minutes is a good thing; it makes everyone better. And if Collins had taken a lot of Tre's minutes next year, then it just meant that Tre hadn't improved enough to get those minutes. Furthermore, going against Collins every day in practice would have helped Tre improve his defense on quick/athletic point guards. If the staff uses this open scholarship to get another guard that's better than Collins, I'm ok with it. If we go into next year with an open scholarship and only 3 guards on the roster, I'm not ok with this.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 28, 2015 11:23:02 GMT -5
We eased off on Collins. Like I said before, we want to continue developing Tre to take hold of the reigns ....Collins would bout have been a difference maker and would have only impeded Tre's progress. Not sure I understand why one year of Collins would have impeded Tre's progress. Competition for minutes is a good thing; it makes everyone better. And if Collins had taken a lot of Tre's minutes next year, then it just meant that Tre hadn't improved enough to get those minutes. Furthermore, going against Collins every day in practice would have helped Tre improve his defense on quick/athletic point guards. If the staff uses this open scholarship to get another guard that's better than Collins, I'm ok with it. If we go into next year with an open scholarship and only 3 guards on the roster, I'm not ok with this. 4 legit playing time guards is actually alot and makes it too crowded. The ideal is usually 3 guard rotation which we have in DSR, Tre, LJ. (David Allen and Riyan Williams really don't count though technically David Allen gives us 3 point guards/4 guards). LJ is going to have to spend alot of time at guard because the front court is very crowded for PT with Center: Govan/Hayes, Power Forward Derrickson/Mourning/Akoy, Small Forward Copeland/Paul White/Cameron/Kaleb Johnson. I suppose Kaleb could also play shooting guard as well but we will have to see when he gets here. Point is as a senior transfer you are likely looking at a situation at Georgetown next year where you will probably get 15 minutes a game if DSR/Trey/Peak help accomodate you by cutting their minutes. Otherwise you are looking at: DSR will likely be getting 30-35 minutes a game. Tre Campbell will probably get around 25 minutes a game Peak will get 30 minutes a game at least. Just on those 3 alone there would be no minutes for a 4th guard. So as a senior trasnfer Georgetown is not a place where you are going to get alot of minutes next year.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 28, 2015 11:58:06 GMT -5
Also, I realize he's not a guard, but don't forget we picked up Agau in the winter, so it's not a situation where we have completely failed to recruit transfers. As others have said, I think the bigger problem is that there are only a very small number of quality people available now (especially those who can play immediately), and they have way more interest than they would otherwise get.
Really, even if we get nobody as a transfer, that doesn't concern me hugely. I'm more concerned with getting a commitment from somebody in the class of 2016.
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