hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 10, 2015 9:36:18 GMT -5
Am I "mis-remembering"? I remember Chris being deadly from behind the arc his senior year pre injury. I think most people are holding on to the freshman-junior year shooter.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 10, 2015 9:44:12 GMT -5
Back to Collins, in most cases pgs can adjust to the talent on the team. Only Collins freshman year did he have any real talent around him and that wasn't top 25 talent either. He will do some over dribbling but I would expect his efficiency to increase.
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Post by ksf42001 on Apr 10, 2015 10:17:54 GMT -5
Am I "mis-remembering"? I remember Chris being deadly from behind the arc his senior year pre injury. I think most people are holding on to the freshman-junior year shooter. Over the season? No. He was his normal 33% self. What colors perceptions though is that he was 12 for 21 from 3 the three games before breaking his hand against Cincy. He was carrying the team during that stretch. While it was most probably a hot streak that would have stopped sooner or later, the timing of the injury made it feel more like losing a player who has just turned the corner from being very good to being great.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 14, 2015 11:06:54 GMT -5
I take it there is no news on Collins? It has been radio silence for a few days from what I can tell.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 12:10:29 GMT -5
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 14, 2015 12:49:35 GMT -5
I don't see us going the route of 5th year transfer at the moment.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Apr 14, 2015 13:09:04 GMT -5
I don't see us going the route of 5th year transfer at the moment. Why is that, b&g?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 14, 2015 13:09:12 GMT -5
I don't see us going the route of 5th year transfer at the moment. Are you saying that if the kid wanted to commit that we would not take him? If so, that's a big difference from the tone of previous posts.
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 14, 2015 13:28:16 GMT -5
I don't see us going the route of 5th year transfer at the moment. Why is that, b&g? I'm not an insider but to me that says that Nigel has top billing and we aren't giving up our last scholy until he says "no". IMHO
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Post by hoyabinx on Apr 14, 2015 13:34:54 GMT -5
I'm not an insider but to me that says that Nigel has top billing and we aren't giving up our last scholy until he says "no". IMHO Or Kenny Williams for that matter. Without DSR in the fold next year, I see the urgency to snag a fifth-year like Collins. But, while the guard lineup is very thin, one can do worse than split 80 minutes between DSR, Peak, and Tre.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 14, 2015 13:43:59 GMT -5
Kenny Williams or Nigel would be far better uses of the scholarship, so I could understand why the staff is waiting (if that's what they are doing). Collins gives you only one year, and while I know many of you on here really like him, I don't think getting a bad shooting point guard would help all that much.
To me, getting Williams is the best case scenario because you get a guy who gives you depth this year and could develop moving forward. But, I'd really like to have both him and Nigel if there is scholarship room.
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 14, 2015 21:28:35 GMT -5
Just not feeling it with this kid the way I was. The situation is always fluid. Now that DSR is back, we rather give the minutes to tre than to a role player who will leave in a year. Of course we would make room for a game changer ....just don't think Collins is that guy.
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Post by Talos on Apr 16, 2015 10:43:34 GMT -5
Just not feeling it with this kid the way I was. The situation is always fluid. Now that DSR is back, we rather give the minutes to tre than to a role player who will leave in a year. Of course we would make room for a game changer ....just don't think Collins is that guy. I do agree that a three man rotation of Tre, DSR, and Peak for the two guard positions is a pretty good rotation. However, I don't agree with only making room for a game changer. I would have thought the staff would have learned their lesson over the past few years, and realized that depth is important. Collins doesn't have to be a game changer; just a capable backup guard. Yes, I would love to have Williams or Goss, but we've got a lot of serious competition for both of them. What is the backup plan if we don't land Williams or Goss? Yes, we can cross our fingers, close our eyes, and hope something bad doesn't happen next year to any of our guards. And we could certainly get lucky and not have any injuries, mid-season transfers, academic troubles, suspensions, or foul trouble; and not need a fourth guard. But I just don't see the downside in taking a fifth year senior transfer to serve as a backup for just one year, and then have the scholarship available again for 2016 kids. And what's wrong with a little competition for minutes? We have an open scholarship, why not be prepared for attrition?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 16, 2015 11:47:15 GMT -5
Just not feeling it with this kid the way I was. The situation is always fluid. Now that DSR is back, we rather give the minutes to tre than to a role player who will leave in a year. Of course we would make room for a game changer ....just don't think Collins is that guy. I do agree that a three man rotation of Tre, DSR, and Peak for the two guard positions is a pretty good rotation. However, I don't agree with only making room for a game changer. I would have thought the staff would have learned their lesson over the past few years, and realized that depth is important. Collins doesn't have to be a game changer; just a capable backup guard. Yes, I would love to have Williams or Goss, but we've got a lot of serious competition for both of them. What is the backup plan if we don't land Williams or Goss? Yes, we can cross our fingers, close our eyes, and hope something bad doesn't happen next year to any of our guards. And we could certainly get lucky and not have any injuries, mid-season transfers, academic troubles, suspensions, or foul trouble; and not need a fourth guard. But I just don't see the downside in taking a fifth year senior transfer to serve as a backup for just one year, and then have the scholarship available again for 2016 kids. And what's wrong with a little competition for minutes? We have an open scholarship, why not be prepared for attrition? I think the issue more is Collins doesn't want to come here now that DSR is back more so than the other way around, but I think we've back off as well.
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 16, 2015 12:05:24 GMT -5
If we don't land Williams or Goss, the back up plan is to get another true pg for '16 like Bracey. Bringing in Collins for a year with DSR already in he mix would likely only stunt Tre's development at this juncture. Rather have tre on the floor when DSR is not running the point. As far as '16 and beyond ....there are a couple of very good pg's we are on and landing one of them along with Tre Campbell should put us in good position.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 16, 2015 17:52:28 GMT -5
If we don't land Williams or Goss, the back up plan is to get another true pg for '16 like Bracey. Bringing in Collins for a year with DSR already in he mix would likely only stunt Tre's development at this juncture. Rather have tre on the floor when DSR is not running the point. As far as '16 and beyond ....there are a couple of very good pg's we are on and landing one of them along with Tre Campbell should put us in good position. I agree with this logic strongly. I still say people don't realize how exceptional Campbell played this past season, especially in the Big East. I do think he didn't get as many minutes as I would have given him, but he played a good amount and he shot extremely well. I just think if Campbell can approximate the 120 O rating he had in the Big East season (and I believe 40%+ on threes) we would want him getting most of the time with DSR. If Collins was comfortable in a 5-15 minute role per game, it might work but my sense is that he's not transferring from USF to be a backup to a sophomore.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 16, 2015 18:12:13 GMT -5
Tre gonna be good.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 16, 2015 20:07:51 GMT -5
I don't see how anyone can dispute that we could use a fourth functioning guard. A three-guard rotation is just too thin, and I don't think playing PW at guard is really what we want. I do think, though, that a functional two guard is a greater need than a functional point guard.
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Post by nychoya3 on Apr 16, 2015 20:10:35 GMT -5
I think everyone agrees we could us another guard, but I don't think Collins is looking to come in to be another body. He's going to want to be the clear starter.
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Post by sleepy on Apr 16, 2015 20:15:45 GMT -5
I think everyone agrees we could us another guard, but I don't think Collins is looking to come in to be another body. He's going to want to be the clear starter. Why wouldn't he be a starter? We have exactly one point guard on the roster, a sophomore who is good but still learning and developing. We essentially have 2 guards on the roster right now. TWO! There is plenty of time for Campbell, DSR and Collins to share. Why not have a 5th year senior take the reigns and hand the reigns over to a junior Campbell the following year?
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