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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 31, 2015 16:53:01 GMT -5
Now that a few hours have passed since DSR's announcement, I can look at this a little more dispassionately. First, I think the timing of this was clearly done so as to make us stop talking about whether the hiring of Chris Mullin was a wise move by St. John's. Second, this decision by DSR was not made in a vacuum, and the prompt generation of a press release suggests that JT3 and company were well aware that this was coming. Third, the argument that this definitively costs GU a shot at next year's Sweet Sixteen is specious, because twelve hours ago (when DSR was supposedly still returning for his senior year) there was great debate about those pieces deemed to still be missing from the Hoya lineup.
I don't agree with DFW that DSR breached some type of obligation to Georgetown. Ideally, our student athletes take advantage of their experience on the Hilltop to make informed decisions about their futures in a deliberate, well-considered process. I have to believe that DSR did so. Our disagreement with the decision he has made is, in no small part, based upon our selfish desire to see the team do better next season. To a degree, maybe Seinfeld is right. . .maybe we do just root for the laundry.
Is this team far weaker, tonight, than it was a day ago? No question. Let's see what the staff does, in filling out the roster, before we engage in additional handwringing. I've got a little more confidence than others on this site that they'll find a way to move forward.
And as for DSR. . .all the best of luck. You did us proud on and off the court. Go out, succeed, and come back to get that diploma.
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Post by guru on Mar 31, 2015 16:53:02 GMT -5
Anyone see a connection between this and the sudden somewhat unexplained DSR injury where he said afterward that he's not injured? Seems a strange coincidence. Yes
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 31, 2015 16:53:45 GMT -5
Anyone see a connection between this and the sudden somewhat unexplained DSR injury where he said afterward that he's not injured? Seems a strange coincidence. That thought crossed my mind this afternoon as well.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 31, 2015 17:01:14 GMT -5
Anyone see a connection between this and the sudden somewhat unexplained DSR injury where he said afterward that he's not injured? Seems a strange coincidence. Yes I see what your saying, keep in mind that there is a difference between injured and hurt, and DSR could've simply been saying that he was hurting, but nothing permanent.
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 31, 2015 17:02:53 GMT -5
Anyone see a connection between this and the sudden somewhat unexplained DSR injury where he said afterward that he's not injured? Seems a strange coincidence. Yes I'm not being intentionally obtuse here: can someone fill me in on what this connection would be?
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 31, 2015 17:09:50 GMT -5
I'm not being intentionally obtuse here: can someone fill me in on what this connection would be? Well, it definitely has nothing to do with the Stewards, that's for sure. Nope. Nope. There's no Stewards connection at all. Why would you even think the Stewards were involved?
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Mar 31, 2015 17:11:09 GMT -5
Anyone see a connection between this and the sudden somewhat unexplained DSR injury where he said afterward that he's not injured? Seems a strange coincidence. Naw, I can't say that. But now his new 'do totally makes sense.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 31, 2015 17:12:37 GMT -5
Anyone see a connection between this and the sudden somewhat unexplained DSR injury where he said afterward that he's not injured? Seems a strange coincidence. Nope. Not me.
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Post by Massholya on Mar 31, 2015 17:13:41 GMT -5
I'm not being intentionally obtuse here: can someone fill me in on what this connection would be? It was a strange turn of events. DSR warmed up before the game and then 15 minutes before tipoff he was "injured" and didn't play in a potentially very important game. Later tweets that he is fine and returns with no ill effects the next game. Personally I wasn't convinced that the announced "injury" by the staff wasn't covering something else. Of course, this could all be HT conspiracy theory run rampant. I just thought the injury was suspicious at the time and now seems slightly more so.
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Post by Massholya on Mar 31, 2015 17:15:48 GMT -5
Or maybe he really was injured and it made him think twice about returning and having a worse injury next year.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Mar 31, 2015 17:19:52 GMT -5
Now that a few hours have passed since DSR's announcement, I can look at this a little more dispassionately. First, I think the timing of this was clearly done so as to make us stop talking about whether the hiring of Chris Mullin was a wise move by St. John's. Second, this decision by DSR was not made in a vacuum, and the prompt generation of a press release suggests that JT3 and company were well aware that this was coming. Third, the argument that this definitively costs GU a shot at next year's Sweet Sixteen is specious, because twelve hours ago (when DSR was supposedly still returning for his senior year) there was great debate about those pieces deemed to still be missing from the Hoya lineup. I don't agree with DFW that DSR breached some type of obligation to Georgetown. Ideally, our student athletes take advantage of their experience on the Hilltop to make informed decisions about their futures in a deliberate, well-considered process. I have to believe that DSR did so. Our disagreement with the decision he has made is, in no small part, based upon our selfish desire to see the team do better next season. To a degree, maybe Seinfeld is right. . .maybe we do just root for the laundry. Is this team far weaker, tonight, than it was a day ago? No question. Let's see what the staff does, in filling out the roster, before we engage in additional handwringing. I've got a little more confidence than others on this site that they'll find a way to move forward. And as for DSR. . .all the best of luck. You did us proud on and off the court. Go out, succeed, and come back to get that diploma. Call me a sucker, but this pessimist thinks we're going to be fine next year, despite the questions marks and inexperience. I can't put my finger on it or articulate it in any way that makes sense, but I have a feeling things are going to come together next season for the Hoyas in surprising fashion. And, yes, I had my fingers and toes crossed when I typed this. Spirits known and unknown....
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 31, 2015 17:19:54 GMT -5
I'm not being intentionally obtuse here: can someone fill me in on what this connection would be? It was a strange turn of events. DSR warmed up before the game and then 15 minutes before tipoff he was "injured" and didn't play in a potentially very important game. Later tweets that he is fine and returns with no ill effects the next game. Personally I wasn't convinced that the announced "injury" by the staff wasn't covering something else. Of course, this could all be HT conspiracy theory run rampant. I just thought the injury was suspicious at the time and now seems slightly more so. You know there's also a difference between being hurt and being injured right?
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 31, 2015 17:21:41 GMT -5
Wow! Good luck to the fella.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Mar 31, 2015 17:24:00 GMT -5
Will Isaac be "breaking the pledge" of he blows up like Otto next year and has the opportunity to leave? According the DFW's rules - no - because he would be a lottery pick and make a bunch of money right away. He would make more in one night (draft night) than DSR might make in his entire career. But DSR thinks he has the opportumity to make six figures starting next year - this is a bad thing? He only has a limited number of years to make maybe half of what Otto made in one night - and it's a bad thing to start down that path a year early? If he plays for 10 years in Europe and makes an average of 200K per year - this is a bad thing? He can come back and finish his degree anytime he wants.
We are supposed to be educating these kids - much of that education is to make the student see and evaluate the opportunities that are available to them. DSR is doing that. To think that he is doing that in a vacuum where III was surprised by this is silly. I would be very dissappointed in our Georgetown "education" if these options were not discussed early and often with these kids. And to think that III was blindsided by this and has not been working towards remedies for the possible decision is also silly. We might not like the reality of the replacements or adjustments that are available to fill this void, but it would be naive to think this situtation has not been discussed in depth before this decision.
I am much more concerned with whether DSR has been prepared for how to handle the money he might make and the special circumstances of living and thriving overseas than whether he gets his degree on time. I just hope he has his passport up to date as he will almost certainly need it - good luck and god speed in your travels.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 17:26:04 GMT -5
Pretty much sums it up. Eli Lilly must make a mint off this board.
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 31, 2015 17:28:49 GMT -5
Apparently, you missed the above thread, or you just didn't read it. I have no issues with someone who has a unique NBA opportunity (Monroe, Green, Porter), nor someone who cannot hack it academically and must go elsewhere. DSR is neither. Are you serious with this nonsense? Which category does he fit into then? Please enlighten us. People who would rather roll the dice on a dream and probably play in Europe rather than spend another year at Georgetown.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 31, 2015 17:29:05 GMT -5
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Post by calhoya on Mar 31, 2015 17:31:54 GMT -5
Change happens. Hope that the Staff is not dwelling on this and debating whether he has made a mistake or not or if he let down the school. That is the risk you take when you recruit 4-5 star prospects. They will have options in all likelihood. If fans or coaches cannot accept that risk, we should lower our sights and our expectations and go after only the 3 star, 4-year player who will never be a risk to leave. Of course there are other ways to lose a player too, such as academic issues and injury. Those situations are much more frustrating. At least none of these seem to be at play here.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 31, 2015 17:40:58 GMT -5
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 31, 2015 17:44:34 GMT -5
Uh, Jeff Green left early. And we would have been the favorites for the national championship his senior season had he stayed. I think it's great that he came back and got his degree, and DSR has the opportunity to do that as well. At least have the courage of your convictions and say Jeff didn't hold up his end of the bargain too rather than saying Jeff gets a pass because he got paid more money right away. Seriously, this is the oddest argument ever. If you are going to use an argument about players staying in school to get their degree, at least use the example of a player that stayed 4 years to get his degree... hahahahahaha. too funny
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