jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 31, 2015 17:53:55 GMT -5
Wow....I thought we were thin at guards on the roster with DSR on the roster playing 80%+ of the minutes.
If we had expected this, I would think we would have been able to land a guard this recruiting cycle.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Mar 31, 2015 17:55:13 GMT -5
Paging Blueandgray. What is the backup plan??
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Talos
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Post by Talos on Mar 31, 2015 17:55:42 GMT -5
How so TC? What does DSR have to do with red shirting? What this should tell all of us is that the staff should never stop/stall it's recruiting efforts, especially when there are spots available.. A number of posters downplayed the need for additional backcourt help in 2015, how's that working out now? What's with people playing the "I told you so card" now that they have the benefit of hindsight? Correct me if I'm wrong but did any of the posters clamoring for more ballhandling exactly predict that DSR would be gone? I guess you can count me also in the "I told you so" group. I've been saying on the Recruiting forum for months that I was uncomfortable with our guard depth for next year, and it had nothing to do with DSR leaving or staying. Even with DSR, we only had 2 true guards coming back. But I pointed out then, and now, that attrition happens in college basketball. Most programs have some combination of the following issues almost every year: off-season transfers, mid-season transfers, short-term injuries, long-term injuries, academic issues, suspensions, NCAA eligibility issues, and even in-game foul trouble. All this to say that college coaches should plan their roster construction with positional balance in mind to combat attrition at one position. Now we have only one true guard on the roster, and have to hope LJ can improve his shooting and handle to make him a real 2. The most concerning part is B&G's post that makes it clear the staff was completely caught off guard by this. It's going to be tough for the staff to find, recruit, and land a couple guards in time for next year. I felt we needed a 5th year senior transfer guard even before this news, but now we really probably need two.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 31, 2015 17:56:58 GMT -5
That'll teach you to check in regularly. You never know what's going to happen.
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 31, 2015 17:59:32 GMT -5
GU'll be okay. Tre Campbell may be as good of a PG as DSR next year, better later in his career. Again, I said PG, not SG. Now yes, another guard is needed or they will be a 2nd round exit again. Guards, guards, guards get teams to the final four.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 31, 2015 18:03:49 GMT -5
So who else logged on to Hoyatalk, saw 200+ users were online on an offseason Tuesday afternoon, and figured they were about to click through to news that Reggie had transfered?
I haven't been this caught off guard since Demetrious Hunter.
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Talos
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Post by Talos on Mar 31, 2015 18:12:29 GMT -5
Like others have said, this decision doesn't necessarily just have to be about basketball. I get that fans are hurt when our best player leaves unexpectedly, and especially when it doesn't make much sense from a basketball perspective. But many times when someone declares early, and it appears to be too early, there are other motivations than just the selfish motivation of wanting money. How often does a kid declare early because his family needs the money, or a friend or relative has medical issues, or he is just sick of going to school. I'm not saying any of these apply to DSR, just raising the issue that there might be more personal or private reasons for him leaving early.
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Post by richfame on Mar 31, 2015 18:20:55 GMT -5
Wow. Good luck to DSR and thanks for so many great moments and performances. But this program--and therefore by extension this conference (and thus cycling back to reinforce it for this program)--is Editeded. Goodbye top 25 ranking. Goodbye optimistic Sweet Sixteen projections. Goodbye Verizon attendance. Goodbye hopes of ever returning to perennial top 15 status (maybe these were gone already). Next year was going to be so critical to rebuilding the league and the program's reputation and to try to capture some form of national relevance. The odds of that happening now without DSR are extremely slim. Did anyone go to verizon when he was here?
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Post by richfame on Mar 31, 2015 18:25:27 GMT -5
Stupid decision according to you... I always think Andre Miller. DSR has a better jumper and Miller has better PG skills. Size and athleticism are similar. Vinny Johnson?
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Post by Massholya on Mar 31, 2015 18:26:18 GMT -5
It was a strange turn of events. DSR warmed up before the game and then 15 minutes before tipoff he was "injured" and didn't play in a potentially very important game. Later tweets that he is fine and returns with no ill effects the next game. Personally I wasn't convinced that the announced "injury" by the staff wasn't covering something else. Of course, this could all be HT conspiracy theory run rampant. I just thought the injury was suspicious at the time and now seems slightly more so. You know there's also a difference between being hurt and being injured right? Really?! Gosh never knew that. Personally can say that I've always played hurt and even injured. But maybe I just don't really understand the difference and need you to educate me. Looking forward to getting coached up by the rock.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 31, 2015 18:32:53 GMT -5
You know there's also a difference between being hurt and being injured right? Really?! Gosh never knew that. Personally can say that I've always played hurt and even injured. But maybe I just don't really understand the difference and need you to educate me. Looking forward to getting coached up by the rock. It was a legitmate question, people need to stop being so sensitive around here. Unless you've played the sport yourself it's not a given that you understand that distinction and there might far more people on this board that haven't played than have. That being said, it's not smart to risk making an hurt worse going into tourney time when there really wasn't that much on the line and we were capable of winning anyway. My point is why risk it? You don't have to be fully injured to not play, especially when you are the most important piece to dismantling the huge monkey on GUs back re: recent tourney success.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 31, 2015 18:35:14 GMT -5
This morning when we all woke up, the 2015 Gtown team had three potential NBA talents on the roster.
Now, after DSR has committed to the draft, the 2015 Gtown team has........3 potential NBA talents on the roster. In other words, I hate to inform the gloom and doom guys of Hoyatalk that the 2015-2016 Gtown roster is.....still stacked with a boatload of talent.
Having said that. Losing DSR is certainly a huge loss. He's a two-time all-conference guy. He's a great college point guard in an era where great college point guards win games. Most importantly, he's a guy who took - and made - big shots. That won't be easily replaced.
Now, having said THAT, I think Tre Campbell in his own way has every bit a chance to be as good as DSR. No, he won't give you 25. But he's superbly quick, he's shown that he can shoot the ball, and he's shown that he has a big heart and doesn't run away from clutch situations. I have no reservations with giving him the ball for 30 minutes a night. None whatsoever.
Now, of course, we have depth issues right now. We suddenly need another ballhandler. We suddenly need more depth in the backcourt in general. If we don't find a way to address that, the doom and gloom guys of Hoyatalk may finally have a point. If we do - via spring signings - the doom and gloom guys of Hoyatalk will probably have to go crawl back into their little holes for another year. If we can find the depth, we still have a ton of talent and a chance to be very very good next season.
Starting lineup as of now Tre LJ Peak Paul White Isaac Copeland Either Bradley Hayes, or Jesse Govan
I'll go to war with that lineup every night. In five years, multiple guys in that lineup will be playing in the NBA
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Post by triplehoya09 on Mar 31, 2015 18:35:48 GMT -5
I keep hoping that this is some sick April fools joke. Good luck to him. Guess I'll need to temper my expectations for next season...
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 31, 2015 18:37:17 GMT -5
I keep hoping that this is some sick April fools joke. Good luck to him. Guess I'll need to temper my expectations for next season... It's march...
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 31, 2015 18:37:32 GMT -5
Jeez, its amazing to see how many of the mothers of people on this board were murdered by DSR. Oh, that's not what this is about?
I'm sure that very few if any of us see DSR as being pro-ready, but he is an adult, and is allowed to make adult decisions. He OWES Georgetown nothing. If he feels he can make a buck now, instead of coming back and worrying about getting injured and then never being able to chase his NBA dreams, then who is to blame him. None of us expected him to leave, because none of us saw him as an NBA talent. But he apparently does, and for three solid years of contribution, he should get all of our best wishes.
As far as the team next year, are we really screwed? Well, we are thin at the moment, that's for sure. But lets say we add one of these 5th year guards. Let's say for the sake of argument that Tre steps up to be Markel-lite next year, and Peak into Jabril-lite. Let's further say that Copeland turns into the positionless wonder that we have all witnesses from time to time. Then, maybe we aren't so poorly off? Maybe we lack that senior leadership and calm that DSR would have surely provided, but we avoid the end of the world? Or maybe none of that happens and we finish dead last with Depaul. Which scenario do YOU think is more likely?
CALM DOWN PEOPLE
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 31, 2015 18:40:41 GMT -5
I remember early in the tourney while the talking heads were discussing Georgetown, Steve Lapasse(Nova's old coach) mentioned that he should stay in school.. I am wondering if he was considering this move all season?
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Post by deacon on Mar 31, 2015 18:52:07 GMT -5
This morning when we all woke up, the 2015 Gtown team had three potential NBA talents on the roster. Now, after DSR has committed to the draft, the 2015 Gtown team has........3 potential NBA talents on the roster. In other words, I hate to inform the gloom and doom guys of Hoyatalk that the 2015-2016 Gtown roster is.....still stacked with a boatload of talent. Having said that. Losing DSR is certainly a huge loss. He's a two-time all-conference guy. He's a great college point guard in an era where great college point guards win games. Most importantly, he's a guy who took - and made - big shots. That won't be easily replaced. Now, having said THAT, I think Tre Campbell in his own way has every bit a chance to be as good as DSR. No, he won't give you 25. But he's superbly quick, he's shown that he can shoot the ball, and he's shown that he has a big heart and doesn't run away from clutch situations. I have no reservations with giving him the ball for 30 minutes a night. None whatsoever. Now, of course, we have depth issues right now. We suddenly need another ballhandler. We suddenly need more depth in the backcourt in general. If we don't find a way to address that, the doom and gloom guys of Hoyatalk may finally have a point. If we do - via spring signings - the doom and gloom guys of Hoyatalk will probably have to go crawl back into their little holes for another year. If we can find the depth, we still have a ton of talent and a chance to be very very good next season. Starting lineup as of now Tre LJ Peak Paul White Isaac Copeland Either Bradley Hayes, or Jesse Govan I'll go to war with that lineup every night. In five years, multiple guys in that lineup will be playing in the NBA Although not as long, I made a similar post on Casual that echoed the same sentiments. I'm actually looking forward to seeing what Tre can do playing 30+ minutes nightly.
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Post by richfame on Mar 31, 2015 18:58:54 GMT -5
This morning when we all woke up, the 2015 Gtown team had three potential NBA talents on the roster. Now, after DSR has committed to the draft, the 2015 Gtown team has........3 potential NBA talents on the roster. In other words, I hate to inform the gloom and doom guys of Hoyatalk that the 2015-2016 Gtown roster is.....still stacked with a boatload of talent. Having said that. Losing DSR is certainly a huge loss. He's a two-time all-conference guy. He's a great college point guard in an era where great college point guards win games. Most importantly, he's a guy who took - and made - big shots. That won't be easily replaced. Now, having said THAT, I think Tre Campbell in his own way has every bit a chance to be as good as DSR. No, he won't give you 25. But he's superbly quick, he's shown that he can shoot the ball, and he's shown that he has a big heart and doesn't run away from clutch situations. I have no reservations with giving him the ball for 30 minutes a night. None whatsoever. Now, of course, we have depth issues right now. We suddenly need another ballhandler. We suddenly need more depth in the backcourt in general. If we don't find a way to address that, the doom and gloom guys of Hoyatalk may finally have a point. If we do - via spring signings - the doom and gloom guys of Hoyatalk will probably have to go crawl back into their little holes for another year. If we can find the depth, we still have a ton of talent and a chance to be very very good next season. Starting lineup as of now Tre LJ Peak Paul White Isaac Copeland Either Bradley Hayes, or Jesse Govan I'll go to war with that lineup every night. In five years, multiple guys in that lineup will be playing in the NBA Although not as long, I made a similar post on Casual that echoed the same sentiments. I'm actually looking forward to seeing what Tre can do playing 30+ minutes nightly. This was one of the reasons I wanted TRE to start last year.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 31, 2015 19:00:34 GMT -5
Agree with the earlier poster that while this news is unfortunate, it may free up (or force) our current freshmen to be the leaders of the team, which may help some or all of them become more confident and more productive. I can pretty much guarantee that they are not sitting around whining and complaining about next year's team - they are talking to each other about being ready, working that much harder between now and October, and carrying this team to even greater success. Hoya Saxa men.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 31, 2015 19:07:22 GMT -5
Jeez, its amazing to see how many of the mothers of people on this board were murdered by DSR. Oh, that's not what this is about? I'm sure that very few if any of us see DSR as being pro-ready, but he is an adult, and is allowed to make adult decisions. He OWES Georgetown nothing. If he feels he can make a buck now, instead of coming back and worrying about getting injured and then never being able to chase his NBA dreams, then who is to blame him. None of us expected him to leave, because none of us saw him as an NBA talent. But he apparently does, and for three solid years of contribution, he should get all of our best wishes. As far as the team next year, are we really screwed? Well, we are thin at the moment, that's for sure. But lets say we add one of these 5th year guards. Let's say for the sake of argument that Tre steps up to be Markel-lite next year, and Peak into Jabril-lite. Let's further say that Copeland turns into the positionless wonder that we have all witnesses from time to time. Then, maybe we aren't so poorly off? Maybe we lack that senior leadership and calm that DSR would have surely provided, but we avoid the end of the world? Or maybe none of that happens and we finish dead last with Depaul. Which scenario do YOU think is more likely? CALM the F DOWN PEOPLE Only one person on the board thinks DSR owes GU anything. Everyone else has been telling him how wrong he is. That was not the tenor nor the intent of the discussion. Let's move along.--Admin
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