GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 31, 2015 16:11:28 GMT -5
Wise words from someone that gets it: Uh, Jeff Green left early. And we would have been the favorites for the national championship his senior season had he stayed. I think it's great that he came back and got his degree, and DSR has the opportunity to do that as well. At least have the courage of your convictions and say Jeff didn't hold up his end of the bargain too rather than saying Jeff gets a pass because he got paid more money right away. Seriously, this is the oddest argument ever. If you are going to use an argument about players staying in school to get their degree, at least use the example of a player that stayed 4 years to get his degree...
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 31, 2015 16:11:38 GMT -5
Uh, Jeff Green left early. And we would have been the favorites for the national championship his senior season had he stayed. I think it's great that he came back and got his degree, and DSR has the opportunity to do that as well. At least have the courage of your convictions and say Jeff didn't hold up his end of the bargain too rather than saying Jeff gets a pass because he got paid more money right away. Apparently, many of you missed the above thread, or you just didn't read it. Repeating: I have no issues with someone who has a unique NBA opportunity (Monroe, Green, Porter), nor someone who cannot hack it academically and must go elsewhere. DSR is neither.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 31, 2015 16:12:27 GMT -5
Uh, Jeff Green left early. And we would have been the favorites for the national championship his senior season had he stayed. I think it's great that he came back and got his degree, and DSR has the opportunity to do that as well. At least have the courage of your convictions and say Jeff didn't hold up his end of the bargain too rather than saying Jeff gets a pass because he got paid more money right away. Apparently, you missed the above thread, or you just didn't read it. I have no issues with someone who has a unique NBA opportunity (Monroe, Green, Porter), nor someone who cannot hack it academically and must go elsewhere. DSR is neither. Are you serious with this nonsense? Which category does he fit into then? Please enlighten us.
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Hoyaholic
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 31, 2015 16:18:10 GMT -5
Uh, Jeff Green left early. And we would have been the favorites for the national championship his senior season had he stayed. I think it's great that he came back and got his degree, and DSR has the opportunity to do that as well. At least have the courage of your convictions and say Jeff didn't hold up his end of the bargain too rather than saying Jeff gets a pass because he got paid more money right away. Apparently, many of you missed the above thread, or you just didn't read it. Repeating: I have no issues with someone who has a unique NBA opportunity (Monroe, Green, Porter), nor someone who cannot hack it academically and must go elsewhere. DSR is neither. Whatever. So you have issues with him because the opportunity he is pursuing isn't lucrative enough in your eyes to temporarily forego a GU degree? (Which he can still get, by the way). Fun fact - DSR will make more money in the next 12 months than 99% of the graduating GU senior class.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 31, 2015 16:20:01 GMT -5
Uh, Jeff Green left early. And we would have been the favorites for the national championship his senior season had he stayed. I think it's great that he came back and got his degree, and DSR has the opportunity to do that as well. At least have the courage of your convictions and say Jeff didn't hold up his end of the bargain too rather than saying Jeff gets a pass because he got paid more money right away. Apparently, many of you missed the above thread, or you just didn't read it. Repeating: I have no issues with someone who has a unique NBA opportunity (Monroe, Green, Porter), nor someone who cannot hack it academically and must go elsewhere. DSR is neither. But I also read where you said (I'm paraphrasing, but I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm inaccurate) that Georgetown should never recruit someone unless that person intends to get his degree. You did add the caveat that you're willing to "release" a player from that commitment in the situations you list above. But why is "getting paid six-figures to play in Europe" different, in terms of a moral objection, than being a lottery pick? Again, I simply don't think we'd recruit successfully if we told all of our recruits that they had to stay unless they were lottery picks. Let me ask it a different way: How many players in a given year are guaranteed to be first round selections but return for another year? A few, for sure. But more than that? Well, those players would be the universe of NBA talent that we'd be able to recruit.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 31, 2015 16:24:13 GMT -5
No. What I am saying is it is unfair to DSR and an insult to Nelson to compare them. Then throw out a better comparison? If there isn't a better one then what do you expect people to say? At least they're trying. They can have similarities to their games without being similarly talented players....you act like Jameer would've crawled out of bed and averaged 17 alongside a senior Markel as a soph.... I will work on amore apt comparison. However, Jameer would have had the ball not a Senior Markel.
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 31, 2015 16:26:41 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious all of these testy tangential arguments are borne out of the frustration of losing a key piece of next year's team, seemingly out of the blue for some of us. I really didn't see this coming, especially considering the statements he made after the Utah game. This basketball team is very personal for many of us, and it seems natural to feel betrayed by DSR leaving. The reality is, he is making a decision that he feels is best for him. He doesn't owe us anything. I was hopeful for next season, thinking we could actually have the pieces in place to make a pretty good run. It's a punch in the nuts, but it certainly isn't personal, even though it feels that way to many of us. I wish him the best of luck. Hopefully this team regroups and we find new guys to step up.
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Post by TC on Mar 31, 2015 16:26:45 GMT -5
Uh, Jeff Green left early. And we would have been the favorites for the national championship his senior season had he stayed. I think it's great that he came back and got his degree, and DSR has the opportunity to do that as well. At least have the courage of your convictions and say Jeff didn't hold up his end of the bargain too rather than saying Jeff gets a pass because he got paid more money right away. Apparently, many of you missed the above thread, or you just didn't read it. Repeating: I have no issues with someone who has a unique NBA opportunity (Monroe, Green, Porter), nor someone who cannot hack it academically and must go elsewhere. DSR is neither. In DFW's argument here : - Victor Page held up his argument by declaring for the draft because he would have flunked out/been ineligible (he never was at Georgetown for a degree) - held up his end of the bargain - DSR, who stayed 3 years and we haven't heard a peep about in terms of problems, leaves for actual opportunities rather than a saving-face draft declaration - didn't It's an insane argument.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 31, 2015 16:27:45 GMT -5
This is crushing news. It really is something I wasn't considering and I had such high hopes for next year. The program can't seem to hold onto positive momentum for too long before crashing back to earth. It's especially troubling considering the state of our league and the need to re-establish relevancy.
That being said, I think we have to wait to see what JTIII and staff plan on filling the void before totally panicking. Basketball is a team game and while DSR was our star and our best shooter, ball-handler, FT shooter, etc., it remains to be seen how the team can play without him. I look at a team like Wichita State, who lost their best NBA prospect in Cleanthony Early, yet this year found new ways to win.
Remember the Seton Hall game? Granted that game Jabril (who wont be there next year) had his career high, but we weren't totally lost on offense in that game. Getting a 5th year senior now is a must, and if we don't land a decent transfer, then I will start panicking.
The life of Hoya fan is never easy...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 31, 2015 16:28:31 GMT -5
I can't blame DSR for wanting to start his professional career a year early....even if the kid scored 20 a game, he still doesn't pleay in the NBA. I just wish he would have given the staff the heads up ahead of time. Everyone seriously thought he was coming back and now we are left in a precarious position. It's no ones fault but ours, it just a tough position to be in. Any idea whether this whole thing just developed since the end of the season? If he has been seriously considering this for weeks or months, a heads up would have been the right thing to do, but if it happened quickly that is another thing. Good luck to DSR, played his heart out for us and gave us some great memories. Next man (men?) up.
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Post by tigerhoya3 on Mar 31, 2015 16:31:42 GMT -5
Uh, Jeff Green left early. And we would have been the favorites for the national championship his senior season had he stayed. I think it's great that he came back and got his degree, and DSR has the opportunity to do that as well. At least have the courage of your convictions and say Jeff didn't hold up his end of the bargain too rather than saying Jeff gets a pass because he got paid more money right away. Apparently, many of you missed the above thread, or you just didn't read it. Repeating: I have no issues with someone who has a unique NBA opportunity (Monroe, Green, Porter), nor someone who cannot hack it academically and must go elsewhere. DSR is neither. DFW, I respect you and your efforts with this site but couldn't disagree with you any more. Your standard is both arbitrary and unrealistic. It fails to reflect that things and circumstances change over time. Kids leave college or transfer to another college all the time. Moreover, DSR held up his end of the bargain by playing basketball here (and quite well) for 3 years in return for 3 years of education. Should a kid not be allowed to transfer unless it's for some unique opportunity (as determined by DFW, me or someone else) once he has made a commitment to play basketball at Georgetown? Do "student-athletes" not have the right to re-evaluate the decisions that they have made in the past and decide to choose another path in their best interests (which may have changed over time due to changes in circumstances)? Or should student-athletes always act in the best interests of their universities instead of themselves? Should student-athletes even be allowed to determine what is in their best interests or should you or me or anyone else here make that determination for them?
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 31, 2015 16:34:25 GMT -5
I leave this thread with this quote, which is not mine, but sums up my full opinion on the matter:
"When you no longer have basketball, be sure you do have a degree."
Looking forward to the posters who will question what kind of person would make such a statement.
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Post by Filo on Mar 31, 2015 16:34:59 GMT -5
... everything about our history says we're always going to be one piece away (and, I just remembered that I forgot to include Chris Wright's injury in my list of things that have gone wrong, so that's nice). The difference b/w good and great next year is DSR's decision to go pro. We aren't a national title contender without him. The difference between good and great in 2016-17 will be Isaac going pro, or Govan developing on a Sims-like timeline, or somebody getting hurt or somebody not getting up for their flash mob final. And even if everything goes right one of these years, we'll still probably have to play Michigan State in the second round. More doom and gloom. Unfortunately, this is exactly how I feel, though. To date myself and quote Roseann Roseannadanna, if it's not one thing, it's another...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 31, 2015 16:35:08 GMT -5
I would not be surprised it another Hoya player announces he is transferring. Stay tuned. Probably won't hurt like this one does.
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Post by tigerhoya3 on Mar 31, 2015 16:37:10 GMT -5
I leave this thread with this quote, which is not mine, but sums up my full opinion on the matter: " When you no longer have basketball, be sure you do have a degree." Looking forward to the posters who will question what kind of person would make such a statement. Is DSR now ineligible to ever get a degree at Georgetown or anywhere else for that matters?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 31, 2015 16:38:44 GMT -5
I leave this thread with this quote, which is not mine, but sums up my full opinion on the matter: "When you no longer have basketball, be sure you do have a degree."Looking forward to the posters who will question what kind of person would make such a statement. Yes, because you can't disagree with one idealistic statement without also condemning the individual who said it. This isn't North Korea, no one has to take our leaders to be infallible.
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Massholya
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Post by Massholya on Mar 31, 2015 16:43:45 GMT -5
Anyone see a connection between this and the sudden somewhat unexplained DSR injury where he said afterward that he's not injured? Seems a strange coincidence.
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Post by ksf42001 on Mar 31, 2015 16:44:15 GMT -5
I leave this thread with this quote, which is not mine, but sums up my full opinion on the matter: "When you no longer have basketball, be sure you do have a degree."Looking forward to the posters who will question what kind of person would make such a statement. Hey guys! A coach said something a long time ago. It's now a universal truth for all players going forward!
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 31, 2015 16:48:11 GMT -5
I leave this thread with this quote, which is not mine, but sums up my full opinion on the matter: "When you no longer have basketball, be sure you do have a degree."Looking forward to the posters who will question what kind of person would make such a statement. I didn't realize GU only gave you a four year window to complete your degree.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 16:52:34 GMT -5
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