beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Mar 31, 2015 21:50:06 GMT -5
Maybe its just getting late, but I can only think of Hollis, as someone who left the Hoyas early without being drafted...and he is obviously playing in the NBA. Of course, it is very common around the country.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 31, 2015 21:57:32 GMT -5
Maybe its just getting late, but I can only think of Hollis, as someone who left the Hoyas early without being drafted...and he is obviously playing in the NBA. Of course, it is very common around the country. Yes, I was referring to Hollis. He left after 3 years with literally no chance of getting drafted. And yes, it happens all over the country every single year. Believing that either A) it doesn't happen often or B) it couldn't possibly happen to us is pretty naive. And it's downright frightening if this is the mentality of our head coach and his staff.
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bamahoya11
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 31, 2015 22:07:01 GMT -5
What a tough day. It's tough knowing that DSR has played his last game as a Hoya. So many great memories, but I had hoped that there were more to come. He could've been an All American if he stayed, but I hope that he, like so many other Georgetown students, leaves the Hilltop capable of finding work doing something he loves. Best wishes to him and his family!
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Post by rhodyhoya3 on Mar 31, 2015 22:09:22 GMT -5
Good luck to DSR. Seemed like a good kid that played hard and I wish him the best wherever that may be. This team will now likely take on the identity of the current Frosh. All four showed talent, heart, and poise. They only need to be more consistent and that comes with experience. If Govan and Derrickson can contribute and we add another ball handler, we will be good with a chance to be very good. I think at the very least we'll be exciting. Too often this year aspects of the play of Smith, Hopkins, and even DSR were frustrating to watch. I'd rather watch the mistakes and maturation of young players than the same mistakes by juniors and seniors.
Still, now more than ever JT3 and the staff need to continue to pull high quality recruits at all positions. And he needs to do that and still uphold the academic standards at Georgetown. I'm guessing that's significantly tougher than we can even imagine. He needs to though. We are not Cuse. We Are Georgetown!
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 31, 2015 22:10:23 GMT -5
Maybe its just getting late, but I can only think of Hollis, as someone who left the Hoyas early without being drafted...and he is obviously playing in the NBA. Of course, it is very common around the country. Hollis is only in the NBA due to an unprecedented tank-job by the Sixers. Hollis lucked out, he did not make a good decision.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Mar 31, 2015 22:40:51 GMT -5
Proud to have two Hoyas there!
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 31, 2015 22:53:39 GMT -5
Maybe its just getting late, but I can only think of Hollis, as someone who left the Hoyas early without being drafted...and he is obviously playing in the NBA. Of course, it is very common around the country. Yes, I was referring to Hollis. He left after 3 years with literally no chance of getting drafted. And yes, it happens all over the country every single year. Believing that either A) it doesn't happen often or B) it couldn't possibly happen to us is pretty naive. And it's downright frightening if this is the mentality of our head coach and his staff. Hollis was at worse a an early second rounder before his hernia hiccup leading up to the draft.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 31, 2015 22:57:34 GMT -5
Gentlemen: when was the last time a georgetown kid opted for the draft and never played in the NBA? Maybe never???
Hollis almost left after his sophomore year as pro scouts liked what they saw during the summer. Him leaving as a junior was expected. Dajuan was flirting with the NBA ever since he went for 20 against UNC. Neither kid leaving was a surprise and both play(ed) in the League. DSR will never play in the league and this was a surprise to all.
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TC
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Post by TC on Mar 31, 2015 23:09:32 GMT -5
Gentlemen: when was the last time a georgetown kid opted for the draft and never played in the NBA? Maybe never??? Victor Page. I gotta be honest, this has me scratching my head at the "injury" right before the Big East tournament and if that was actually an injury.
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Post by TC on Mar 31, 2015 23:13:42 GMT -5
Maybe its just getting late, but I can only think of Hollis, as someone who left the Hoyas early without being drafted...and he is obviously playing in the NBA. Of course, it is very common around the country. Hollis is only in the NBA due to an unprecedented tank-job by the Sixers. Hollis lucked out, he did not make a good decision. Hollis got a partially guaranteed contract with the Thunder right after the draft. No one thought he made a good decision because he went undrafted, but no one expected he'd get a contract either. He had more information than we did. The board was wrong there.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 31, 2015 23:22:14 GMT -5
Hollis is only in the NBA due to an unprecedented tank-job by the Sixers. Hollis lucked out, he did not make a good decision. Hollis got a partially guaranteed contract with the Thunder right after the draft. No one thought he made a good decision because he went undrafted, but no one expected he'd get a contract either. He had more information than we did. The board was wrong there. Not to mention he only went undrafted because of the hernia that suspended the latter half of his NBA workouts.
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Post by bicentennial on Mar 31, 2015 23:25:31 GMT -5
Right after the Utah game Jabril made a comment tha all of them would get to play on after this season. In hindsight I wonder whether Jabril, Bowen and Hopkins all have deals to play in Europe and if finding out what they were able to get might have affected DSR deciding to come out and see if he could make the NBA? As for an NBA comp, I think John Paxson had similar skills coming out of college.
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Post by hoyapac on Mar 31, 2015 23:30:46 GMT -5
Scout 2012 Shooting Guard Rankings 1. Rasheed Sulaimon- dismissed from team for rape allegations 2. Marcus Smart-NBA (2 years) 3. Archie Goodwin-NBA (1 year) 4. Gary Harris-NBA (2 years) 5. Ricardo Ledo-NBA (1 year) 6. Rodney Purvis-transfer 7. Danuel House-transfer 8. Katin Reinhardt-transfer 9. D’vauntes Smith-rivera (3 years-averaged 9,17 and 16, then declared for draft) 10. Omar Calhoun (averaged 5.5 ppg for UCONN this year) 11. Aaron Thomas (declared ineligible) 12. Jordan Price- transfer 13. Melvin Johnson (averaged 12.4 ppg for VCU this year) 14. Gabe York (averaged 9.2 ppg for Arizona) 15. Alex Caruso (averaged 9.1 ppg for Texas A&M this year) 16. Kellen Dunham (averaged 16.5 ppg for Butler this year) 17. Rapheal Davis (averaged 10.7 ppg for Purdue this year) 18. Marqueze Coleman (averaged 9.4 ppg for Nevada this year) 19. Michael Frazier II (averaged 12 ppg this year, declared for draft) 20. Carlos Morris (JUCO, one year player for MINN this year)
Looking at this list and where these players ended up, I’m pretty satisfied with getting three really good years out of DSR. I guess the only one I would even consider trading would be a 4 years from Kellen Dunham or Smart/Harris for 2 years.
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Post by wnyhoya on Mar 31, 2015 23:31:49 GMT -5
Put me in the lonely camp of being excited about the team going forward without DSR. I'm a big fan of his and we'll miss his scoring and overall game, but I don't think his style of play necessarily opened things up for our other players. He is such a good shooter, we defaulted to him so much and rightfully so. But he was often shut down by longer and athletic defenders, and I think our success will be more driven by our other players. Maybe I'm in denial, but insert Tre and another a capable ball handling/passing/penetrating guard and I remain damn optimistic. Put me in this camp as well dungeon! I believe we will find someone in the transfer market who will come in and help mitigate the loss of DSR. I also truly believe this team is the most talented team III has had since the 2010 team. I look at it this way...in 2013 with Otto look at the talent around him. There really was not much. A frosh DSR who was solid. A junior Markel who was a little better than solid. But who else?? No offense to these guys but Jabril, Mikael, Nate, Moses, Bowen: that was the rest of our rotation and that is a group filled with role players who were limited in at least one aspect of the game, if not more. And we still ended up being a 2 seed in the tournament and ranked in the top 10 for a decent chunk of the season. That team was not very old and relied primarily on sophs and juniors. Now, I'm not going to say Ike will play himself into going 3rd in next year's draft like Otto did BUT I do believe he will play his way into being a surefire first rounder next year if he chooses to leave. So with that being said, it is obvious that Ike will have to have a great year similar to Otto. If that's the case which I believe it will be I don't see how this team cannot be as good as that team. There's just so much more talent on this team. LJ will use the last game to propel his work this offseason. Every team in the country would love to have a player as skilled and intelligent as PW. He will be better next year and more than likely won't have a lull again like he did this season now that he has a year of experience. Tre is fearless. Just think the kid has the "it" factor. He's a gamer, is tough, can shoot, and handle. Hayes builds off his tournament, Jessie provides 15 mins a game of a low post threat, and Akoy gives us a tough 15 mins a game providing some shot blocking and post offense. Not to mention Derrickson who is the big this offense has been lacking over the years with his ability to stretch the floor. He's the big we've been missing and he's strong enough already to play from day one. Especially since he's in better shape. Then sprinkle in some time for Kaleb Johnson. I admit I'm an optimist, but I truly believe this team will be very good. Like 3 seed in the tourney good next year. Might take a couple on the chin in the non conference but I expect to compete for the Big East title as things start to click and Akoy gets thrown into the fold in January. Don't underestimate the leadership of this rising sophomore class. I think we look back on this group in a few years as the group that brought us back to the national stage. Damn, I hope I'm right. Hoya Saxa
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 1, 2015 0:04:25 GMT -5
Exactly ^^^^^^^^^
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 1, 2015 5:52:58 GMT -5
Hollis got a partially guaranteed contract with the Thunder right after the draft. No one thought he made a good decision because he went undrafted, but no one expected he'd get a contract either. He had more information than we did. The board was wrong there. Not to mention he only went undrafted because of the hernia that suspended the latter half of his NBA workouts. Didn't Hollis also graduate in three years?
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Post by Churchwell on Apr 1, 2015 6:29:17 GMT -5
April Fools
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Apr 1, 2015 8:30:19 GMT -5
Right after the Utah game Jabril made a comment tha all of them would get to play on after this season. In hindsight I wonder whether Jabril, Bowen and Hopkins all have deals to play in Europe and if finding out what they were able to get might have affected DSR deciding to come out and see if he could make the NBA? As for an NBA comp, I think John Paxson had similar skills coming out of college. DSR may have similar skills and size to John Paxson coming out of college...but that was 30 years ago! The fact that we have to go back so far to find an NBA match, is not favorable.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 1, 2015 8:31:37 GMT -5
Just to put a stop to the tin foil hat conspiracy theorists, here is the actual official word on DSR's injury in the Seton Hall game, from the coach himself in his postgame press conference (starting at 2:27):
Watch and listen for yourself:
If you can twist that into some machiavellian conspiracy theory that has anything to do with DSR's decision to declare early for the NBA draft, have at it. To say that conclusion is a stretch is way understating things.
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Post by bmartin on Apr 1, 2015 8:37:45 GMT -5
Scout 2012 Shooting Guard Rankings1. Rasheed Sulaimon- dismissed from team for rape allegations 2. Marcus Smart-NBA (2 years) 3. Archie Goodwin-NBA (1 year) 4. Gary Harris-NBA (2 years) 5. Ricardo Ledo-NBA (1 year) 6. Rodney Purvis-transfer 7. Danuel House-transfer 8. Katin Reinhardt-transfer 9. D’vauntes Smith-rivera (3 years-averaged 9,17 and 16, then declared for draft) 10. Omar Calhoun (averaged 5.5 ppg for UCONN this year) 11. Aaron Thomas (declared ineligible) 12. Jordan Price- transfer 13. Melvin Johnson (averaged 12.4 ppg for VCU this year) 14. Gabe York (averaged 9.2 ppg for Arizona) 15. Alex Caruso (averaged 9.1 ppg for Texas A&M this year) 16. Kellen Dunham (averaged 16.5 ppg for Butler this year) 17. Rapheal Davis (averaged 10.7 ppg for Purdue this year) 18. Marqueze Coleman (averaged 9.4 ppg for Nevada this year) 19. Michael Frazier II (averaged 12 ppg this year, declared for draft) 20. Carlos Morris (JUCO, one year player for MINN this year) Looking at this list and where these players ended up, I’m pretty satisfied with getting three really good years out of DSR. I guess the only one I would even consider trading would be a 4 years from Kellen Dunham or Smart/Harris for 2 years. One interesting thing about that list is that on Pomeroy's site, the most similar player to L.J. Peak's freshman season was Rodney Purvis' freshman year at NC State.
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