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Post by jwp91 on Mar 31, 2015 19:07:25 GMT -5
This morning when we all woke up, the 2015 Gtown team had three potential NBA talents on the roster. Now, after DSR has committed to the draft, the 2015 Gtown team has........3 potential NBA talents on the roster. In other words, I hate to inform the gloom and doom guys of Hoyatalk that the 2015-2016 Gtown roster is.....still stacked with a boatload of talent. Having said that. Losing DSR is certainly a huge loss. He's a two-time all-conference guy. He's a great college point guard in an era where great college point guards win games. Most importantly, he's a guy who took - and made - big shots. That won't be easily replaced. Now, having said THAT, I think Tre Campbell in his own way has every bit a chance to be as good as DSR. No, he won't give you 25. But he's superbly quick, he's shown that he can shoot the ball, and he's shown that he has a big heart and doesn't run away from clutch situations. I have no reservations with giving him the ball for 30 minutes a night. None whatsoever. Now, of course, we have depth issues right now. We suddenly need another ballhandler. We suddenly need more depth in the backcourt in general. If we don't find a way to address that, the doom and gloom guys of Hoyatalk may finally have a point. If we do - via spring signings - the doom and gloom guys of Hoyatalk will probably have to go crawl back into their little holes for another year. If we can find the depth, we still have a ton of talent and a chance to be very very good next season. Starting lineup as of now Tre LJ Peak Paul White Isaac Copeland Either Bradley Hayes, or Jesse Govan I'll go to war with that lineup every night. In five years, multiple guys in that lineup will be playing in the NBA Not a bad starting line-up. Who comes in off the bench at guard? Is he on scholarship?
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 31, 2015 19:14:40 GMT -5
Paging Blueandgray. What is the backup plan?? This caught everyone by surprise. We would have taken Hardnett had we known this was going to be the case. Staff is playing the transfer market right now.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 31, 2015 19:20:20 GMT -5
On a positive note...I think peak, cambell, and Copeland will experience a maturation process that they might otherwise not experience with DSR in the mix. DSR had a tendency to hunt for his shots and this often hurt the team. The three guys above will lead this team from day 1 and I think that's a good thing.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 31, 2015 19:24:01 GMT -5
This morning when we all woke up, the 2015 Gtown team had three potential NBA talents on the roster. Now, after DSR has committed to the draft, the 2015 Gtown team has........3 potential NBA talents on the roster. In other words, I hate to inform the gloom and doom guys of Hoyatalk that the 2015-2016 Gtown roster is.....still stacked with a boatload of talent. Having said that. Losing DSR is certainly a huge loss. He's a two-time all-conference guy. He's a great college point guard in an era where great college point guards win games. Most importantly, he's a guy who took - and made - big shots. That won't be easily replaced. Now, having said THAT, I think Tre Campbell in his own way has every bit a chance to be as good as DSR. No, he won't give you 25. But he's superbly quick, he's shown that he can shoot the ball, and he's shown that he has a big heart and doesn't run away from clutch situations. I have no reservations with giving him the ball for 30 minutes a night. None whatsoever. Now, of course, we have depth issues right now. We suddenly need another ballhandler. We suddenly need more depth in the backcourt in general. If we don't find a way to address that, the doom and gloom guys of Hoyatalk may finally have a point. If we do - via spring signings - the doom and gloom guys of Hoyatalk will probably have to go crawl back into their little holes for another year. If we can find the depth, we still have a ton of talent and a chance to be very very good next season. Starting lineup as of now Tre LJ Peak Paul White Isaac Copeland Either Bradley Hayes, or Jesse Govan I'll go to war with that lineup every night. In five years, multiple guys in that lineup will be playing in the NBA Not a bad starting line-up. Who comes in off the bench at guard? Is he on scholarship? Exactly. Our starting 5 in 2004 wasn't bad either...
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Post by hoyabinx on Mar 31, 2015 19:41:52 GMT -5
Paging Blueandgray. What is the backup plan?? This caught everyone by surprise. We would have taken Hardnett had we known this was going to be the case. Staff is playing the transfer market right now. I guess Hardnett isn't available anymore....
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Post by matersammich on Mar 31, 2015 19:44:47 GMT -5
This caught everyone by surprise. We would have taken Hardnett had we known this was going to be the case. Staff is playing the transfer market right now. I guess Hardnett isn't available anymore.... I think we gave him the cold shoulder.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 31, 2015 19:46:11 GMT -5
This caught everyone by surprise. We would have taken Hardnett had we known this was going to be the case. Staff is playing the transfer market right now. I guess Hardnett isn't available anymore.... Committed to Houston IIRC.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 31, 2015 20:08:03 GMT -5
I guess Hardnett isn't available anymore.... Committed to Houston IIRC. Galen Robinson committed to Houston.. Hardnett is still available..
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 31, 2015 20:19:41 GMT -5
Best of luck to the kid. I hope he's getting sound advice and doesn't end up disappointed on draft night. There are a number of guards that will almost assuredly be taken ahead of him not to mention Kentucky's entire rotation, and the rest of the one and done-ers.
Even if he's worthy of say a 2nd round pick, seems like more GMs are going the draft and stash route with Euro players for Cap and other financial reasons.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 31, 2015 20:35:24 GMT -5
This was one of the reasons I wanted TRE to start last year. Starting is way overrated.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 31, 2015 20:49:11 GMT -5
Daytona makes good points about the roster.
I don't have a problem with a kid deciding to leave school when he thinks it is right for him. I do have a problem if he blindsided the staff because that implies a lack of consideration for them and, more importantly, his teammates. It also suggests he may not have fully taken advantage of the counsel available to him from the staff (as they have done to prior HOYAS leaving early). If that is the case, one wonders about the advice he is getting.
All that said, I wish him well. There's no indication he was anything less than a good teammate who represented our school well. I don't subscribe to some arbitrary draft position dividing line that makes an early entry somehow legit. I think it's unrealistic he wil get drafted so one hopes his agent isn't blowing smoke and can secure him a good spot overseas because those South Dakota bus rides are awfully tedious.
The cupboard is far from bare and there is suddenly ample PT in the backcourt for the current guys and others yet to be signed to take advantage of. The team will be fine.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 31, 2015 21:00:11 GMT -5
This depressing news just highlights the biggest problem with our program. Our margin of error is just so small. Lose a guy to the NBA (Otto, Greg, Jeff), to injuries (Austin, Chris), to academics (Whit, Josh) or to bad recruiting (Reggie, Domingo) and we are screwed. We can't recruit 2-3 future NBA players every year and have them sitting on the bench waiting their turn.
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Post by dungeon ball on Mar 31, 2015 21:01:48 GMT -5
Put me in the lonely camp of being excited about the team going forward without DSR. I'm a big fan of his and we'll miss his scoring and overall game, but I don't think his style of play necessarily opened things up for our other players. He is such a good shooter, we defaulted to him so much and rightfully so. But he was often shut down by longer and athletic defenders, and I think our success will be more driven by our other players.
Maybe I'm in denial, but insert Tre and another a capable ball handling/passing/penetrating guard and I remain damn optimistic.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 31, 2015 21:08:23 GMT -5
Paging Blueandgray. What is the backup plan?? This caught everyone by surprise. We would have taken Hardnett had we known this was going to be the case. Staff is playing the transfer market right now. See here's what I don't understand - why are we not taking the kid anyway? We have scholarship availability and we were already going to be a bit thin in the backcourt before this bomb. Now the bomb exploded and we're unprepared. I don't really get it. This line of thought is basically the equivalent of declining rental car insurance, having a tree fall on the car, and going "Well had I known a tree were going to fall on the car, I would have bought the insurance."
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 31, 2015 21:18:51 GMT -5
This caught everyone by surprise. We would have taken Hardnett had we known this was going to be the case. Staff is playing the transfer market right now. See here's what I don't understand - why are we not taking the kid anyway? We have scholarship availability and we were already going to be a bit thin in the backcourt before this bomb. Now the bomb exploded and we're unprepared. I don't really get it. This line of thought is basically the equivalent of declining rental car insurance, having a tree fall on the car, and going "Well had I known a tree were going to fall on the car, I would have bought the insurance." I think once we missed on our higher target guards for 2015, it was a situation where the staff had to decide do we take a guy we like this year or hold the scholly for a guy we love for 2016.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Mar 31, 2015 21:29:14 GMT -5
See here's what I don't understand - why are we not taking the kid anyway? We have scholarship availability and we were already going to be a bit thin in the backcourt before this bomb. Now the bomb exploded and we're unprepared. I don't really get it. This line of thought is basically the equivalent of declining rental car insurance, having a tree fall on the car, and going "Well had I known a tree were going to fall on the car, I would have bought the insurance." I think once we missed on our higher target guards for 2015, it was a situation where the staff had to decide do we take a guy we like this year or hold the scholly for a guy we love for 2016. How can the staff "hold on to a scholly for a guy (they) love" when year after year we fail to get these guys. I'm all for shooting for the stars but a major D1 program with high aspirations should not be in a position with Campbell, Peak, Allen and Williams as our options for the 1 and 2. The staff may need to reconsider their approach relative to guard recruitment. Guard play is vital for NCAA tourney success more often then not.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 31, 2015 21:30:09 GMT -5
This is exactly right. With DSR in the mix, the thinking was that a 3rd pg would only ride the pine and possibly turn off a better '16 prospect. You can criticize the strategy, but given the information we had...it's understandable why they chose to gonthenroute they did. It's not often a kid declares with little chance to make the League.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 31, 2015 21:30:29 GMT -5
Our only glimpse of post-DSR life was Senior Day against Seton Hall. If I'm remembering right, the offense seemed to be ok with Tre that afternoon (we did get 2 pts from Tyler that won't be there next year though).
While we lose shooting and overall depth, who's to say the offense can't be successful with a different approach? Our real strength becomes size and athleticism among our 3/4 (and even 5) spots. So rather than a DSR-centric offense, perhaps we play to the strengths of Ike, LJ, PW, Govan, Derrickson, and return to the quick cuts, flashes to the middle, and constant ball movement?
I can't sugar-coat that losing DSR doesn't hurt, but I don't think we should look at this as a zero-sum game. The team will do some things worse clearly, but there is the potential to do some things better with a new approach/style. Or am I just in denial?
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 31, 2015 21:34:56 GMT -5
See here's what I don't understand - why are we not taking the kid anyway? We have scholarship availability and we were already going to be a bit thin in the backcourt before this bomb. Now the bomb exploded and we're unprepared. I don't really get it. This line of thought is basically the equivalent of declining rental car insurance, having a tree fall on the car, and going "Well had I known a tree were going to fall on the car, I would have bought the insurance." I think once we missed on our higher target guards for 2015, it was a situation where the staff had to decide do we take a guy we like this year or hold the scholly for a guy we love for 2016. Yea, I mean this "strategy" has been beaten to death in the recruiting forum. It's dumb. It's time to face the reality that the top guard recruits just don't want to come here. We miss on the guys we "love" year after year. It seemed like Hardnett would have been a perfectly serviceable backup/insurance policy. B&G's post made it seem like he was ours if we wanted him but we passed on him. I can't get behind this strategy. Take the kid, and if that big time 16 guard wants to come, you find room for him. There is always room to be found.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 31, 2015 21:44:03 GMT -5
This is exactly right. With DSR in the mix, the thinking was that a 3rd pg would only ride the pine and possibly turn off a better '16 prospect. You can criticize the strategy, but given the information we had...it's understandable why they chose to gonthenroute they did. It's not often a kid declares with little chance to make the League. It's VERY often a kid declares with little chance to make the league. It happens every single year. The D-League and Euro leagues are littered with kids who left early with little to no chance of getting drafted. Hell, it happened to our own damn program a mere 3 years ago. I sincerely hope that our staff isn't truly operating under the premise that "kids with little chance to make the league are never going to leave school early."
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