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Post by Big Dog on Mar 31, 2015 14:58:06 GMT -5
Wow. Good luck to DSR and thanks for so many great moments and performances. But this program--and therefore by extension this conference (and thus cycling back to reinforce it for this program)--is Editeded. Goodbye top 25 ranking. Goodbye optimistic Sweet Sixteen projections. Goodbye Verizon attendance. Goodbye hopes of ever returning to perennial top 15 status (maybe these were gone already). Next year was going to be so critical to rebuilding the league and the program's reputation and to try to capture some form of national relevance. The odds of that happening now without DSR are extremely slim. Not so fast, BD. It comes up whenever a school loses a player early. Let's see what JT3 does to replace DSR for the upcoming season, and beyond. After all, he was done after next season anyway. Were we going to be done after his anticipated departure at the end of the 2015-2016 season? Maybe this wasn't a necessary part of the long, slow decline of the program and Big East hoops, but it sure feels like an accelerant. I feel like we are 1-2 years from news that the tourney is being kicked out of the Garden, etc. at this point. Look at the Final Four. College hoops is now for big school programs.
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Post by guru on Mar 31, 2015 14:58:20 GMT -5
I doubt this decision was made in a vacuum. I would guess that the powers that be discussed the situation, gave him the best info they could to help him make his choice. I hope so, anyway. DSR was fun to watch for three years. Wish him all the best. That said, we would have been much better with him than we will be without him. Still hoping we are going to be a monster next year. How would we be a monster next year? I think we can equal this year's achievements if things break well, but a monster year seems all but impossible now.
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 31, 2015 14:58:49 GMT -5
DSR had the most stable coach and secure playing time of anyone in college basketball. Let's not pretend he's some victim who needed to get out of Georgetown before the program turned on him. Call it like it is: He wants to make money (probably Euros) and doesn't mind sacrificing a Georgetown degree to do it. How do you know he is sacrificing a Georgetown degree? How many guys who leave actually come back and get the diploma? Jeff did it, yes. Who else?
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 31, 2015 14:58:51 GMT -5
Wow. Good luck to DSR and thanks for so many great moments and performances. But this program--and therefore by extension this conference (and thus cycling back to reinforce it for this program)--is Editeded. Goodbye top 25 ranking. Goodbye optimistic Sweet Sixteen projections. Goodbye Verizon attendance. Goodbye hopes of ever returning to perennial top 15 status (maybe these were gone already). Next year was going to be so critical to rebuilding the league and the program's reputation and to try to capture some form of national relevance. The odds of that happening now without DSR are extremely slim. Whoa little doggie. Players have to step up and I believe that Tre and Ike are built for this situation. Sometimes having a leader like DSR can stunt your growth. Not purposely but sometimes players sit back and wait for the superstar to make the play.
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Post by beenaround on Mar 31, 2015 15:00:02 GMT -5
Hey. Over the years as a Hoya Fan, I've realized that things are never as good as they look in the offseason or as bad...at least..mostly never!
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 31, 2015 15:00:21 GMT -5
For some reason, this is not a surprise to me. I stated in some of the recruiting threads , months ago that I expected he would be gone. As others have said in the past few minutes, there was probably not much chance his draft stock would increase much by playing another year. He is highly skilled already, just limited athletically and not really tall enough. So, he might as well not lose a year of making money playing ball, even if it is Europe, like a Jason Clark, Markel or Austin. He was a great Hoya and will be rooting for him to make the NBA. In terms of next year for us...don't even want to think about it! I agree. People don't seem to realize that our opinion of DSR's game is not DSR's opinion of his game. What I have always liked about DSR going back to when I first saw him at Oak Hill, he thinks that he is the best player on the court. This hurt Gtown basketball and maybe DSR doesn't get drafted but I don't think for a second that DSR is thinking about Europe or the D-league. The kid thinks that he is the best guard in the draft. And in his defense, this year he has improved on all of our worries coming into the season. He should have come back but as it has already been stated, his stock wasn't improving much regardless. Look, it's all hypothetical now and irrelevant, but I don't think his stock necessarily was stuck in place. As you say, he improved a good deal this year, particularly on the defensive end. There's no reason to think he wouldn't improve a good deal more next year. And with a more balanced lineup (potentially), it's possible he would have gotten a significant number of additional open looks next year. If he finished the year as a 49% 3PT shooter, that would have opened doors for him at the NBA level, regardless of the size/athleticism concerns that weren't going to change. And if he has an outsized opinion of himself? Well, that's why you need to get some good advice. After all, the only thing that matters in terms of being drafted (or being invited to a camp) is what others think of you. Maybe they're all wrong, and you're right, but it doesn't make a difference.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Mar 31, 2015 15:00:39 GMT -5
Wow. Good luck to DSR and thanks for so many great moments and performances. But this program--and therefore by extension this conference (and thus cycling back to reinforce it for this program)--is Editeded. Goodbye top 25 ranking. Goodbye optimistic Sweet Sixteen projections. Goodbye Verizon attendance. Goodbye hopes of ever returning to perennial top 15 status (maybe these were gone already). Next year was going to be so critical to rebuilding the league and the program's reputation and to try to capture some form of national relevance. The odds of that happening now without DSR are extremely slim. Hell, we lost our best player. My reaction was: Of course, just another punch in the gut that will prevent the Hoyas from making it to the Sweet Sixteen. We should all be used to it. But this is the post of the year as far as I am concerned. Can't stop laughing at the doomsday scenario.
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Post by gujake on Mar 31, 2015 15:02:22 GMT -5
What is plausible is DSR had nothing to gain by remaining in college another year (his NBA draft grade is not changing) and he decided it was time to be paid for his work on the court. More power to him. He will be more than welcomed back at Georgetown if he would like to get his degree like Jeff Green. Agreed. Obviously we can't know for sure if that's his thinking or not, but it's true. There are very, very few people in the NBA at his height/athleticism level and those things aren't changing with another year at Georgetown. Really hurts as a fan of the team, though. Ugh.
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Post by nychoya3 on Mar 31, 2015 15:03:14 GMT -5
Oof. That's a stomach punch. Good luck to DSR. Some of the apocalyptic posts on here are silly - this hurts a lot for next year, but it's part of the game. Georgetown will be fine - we're bigger than one player. We have a lot of talented players still and they'll need to step up. There's a huge opening now if we can find a talented combo guard who is eligible right away, presumably a transfer candidate.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 31, 2015 15:04:14 GMT -5
It's clearly now a different situation, but you can continue being a child about it if that's what gets you through the day. Just love getting a rise out of you on the board, that's all. It's so predictable and easy to do. Yeah especially went I'm expecting semi-competent thought and you continue to make fundamentally flawed statements. You're not as clever as you think
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Post by kchoya on Mar 31, 2015 15:04:34 GMT -5
With only 1 year left, I have no doubt he will graduate from Georgetown, much like Jeff Green did. Unfortunately, most high level players look at playing professionally since they were at their first travel camp in middle school. I guess it was too much for us to all assume DSR would always be a 4 year player. No doubt? Why? He's making a stupid decision. Why assume he will wise up and get his degree?
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Post by calhoya on Mar 31, 2015 15:05:11 GMT -5
Wish him well and move on. He was a committed player who stayed out of trouble and honored the school and the program by his participation on the team. Cannot blame these guys anymore for looking at the money. Kids wake up and find that their coach is gone or that they have been recruited over.What it means for next season is that the Hoyas are going to be desperate for a shooting guard. Tre? LJ? Perhaps, but more than likely this affords Paul White an opportunity to learn a new position and improve his handle enough to play the off guard with Copeland. It becomes critical for LJ, White and even Reggie to get in the gym this summer and improve their outside shots. It is also critical for the coaches to look hard for that 5th year transfer who might come in and be handed significant minutes immediately. DSR had the most stable coach and secure playing time of anyone in college basketball. Let's not pretend he's some victim who needed to get out of Georgetown before the program turned on him. Call it like it is: He wants to make money (probably Euros) and doesn't mind sacrificing a Georgetown degree to do it. No one said he is a victim, nor did I suggest that he is beating it out of town before being turned on. Only point is that the culture of college basketball has changed and there is no longer a reasonable expectation by coach or player of a four year commitment to a school. Kids transfer. Coaches leave or get fired. DSR had a good situation. He obviously believes that he can play professionally next year somewhere and make some decent money--so more power to him. It is his gamble and there is nothing wrong with that. I do not begrudge the coach that leaves for the money. I do not begrudge the player doing the same. I also do not agree that he has necessarily sacrificed his Georgetown degree. He can earn that degree later in life--he has at most a 10-12 year window for playing basketball.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 31, 2015 15:05:36 GMT -5
How do you know he is sacrificing a Georgetown degree? How many guys who leave actually come back and get the diploma? Jeff did it, yes. Who else? How many players have left after 3 years? It might not be that hard to finish school and get his degree. You dont even know how far along he is right now.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Mar 31, 2015 15:06:04 GMT -5
This is disappointing on many levels. Think he is letting his teammates down and the coaching staff down to some extent. I also think he is blowing his legacy to some extent -- could have been one of the very top players of the JTIII era, contribution-wise and stats-wise, if he stayed.
But, yeah, he has worked really hard and has been nothing but a great example of a student-athleete while he was on the Hilltop. For that, I guess I won't begrudge him for going for the money.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 31, 2015 15:06:38 GMT -5
Wow. Good luck to DSR and thanks for so many great moments and performances. But this program--and therefore by extension this conference (and thus cycling back to reinforce it for this program)--is Editeded. Goodbye top 25 ranking. Goodbye optimistic Sweet Sixteen projections. Goodbye Verizon attendance. Goodbye hopes of ever returning to perennial top 15 status (maybe these were gone already). Next year was going to be so critical to rebuilding the league and the program's reputation and to try to capture some form of national relevance. The odds of that happening now without DSR are extremely slim. Slow down, take a deep breath. Do not undersell our remaining talent. Other players will step up and they are capable of stepping up. As for the preseason expectations? - yeah those are coming down. The ceiling for just next season? - yes that comes down, but perhaps the ceiling for 2016/2017 goes up because guys are going to accelerate the growth of their games. As for the Big East - we were not carrying that flag alone, that is a group effort. There will be a lot of young teams next season including the Hoyas. Just need to grow up, the high level talent will be on a lot of rosters in the league. All is not lost.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 31, 2015 15:07:08 GMT -5
I doubt this decision was made in a vacuum. I would guess that the powers that be discussed the situation, gave him the best info they could to help him make his choice. I hope so, anyway. DSR was fun to watch for three years. Wish him all the best. That said, we would have been much better with him than we will be without him. Still hoping we are going to be a monster next year. How would we be a monster next year? I think we can equal this year's achievements if things break well, but a monster year seems all but impossible now. Guru, I don't know, but I'm hoping.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 31, 2015 15:08:00 GMT -5
Not so fast, BD. It comes up whenever a school loses a player early. Let's see what JT3 does to replace DSR for the upcoming season, and beyond. After all, he was done after next season anyway. Were we going to be done after his anticipated departure at the end of the 2015-2016 season? I'm with Big Dog here, especially if we don't add an eligible transfer. We have one guy on the roster that can play point guard. We are now losing our top 3 scorers (more than 1/2 of our points) and top 3 rebounders. We have no one that has shown they can lead an offense, or who has ever been the focus of a defense. It's definitely doomsday for next year, but do you really agree with the rest of the points? Doesnt seem like you. Yeah, next year could be brutal. But, I guess this is where it might be good that the BE isnt exactly a juggernaut
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 31, 2015 15:08:40 GMT -5
This is why all the discussions about redshirting are stupid. DSR is not going to be drafted. But he probably can make enough money leaving that it doesn't matter. How so TC? What does DSR have to do with red shirting? What this should tell all of us is that the staff should never stop/stall it's recruiting efforts, especially when there are spots available.. A number of posters downplayed the need for additional backcourt help in 2015, how's that working out now? What's with people playing the "I told you so card" now that they have the benefit of hindsight? Correct me if I'm wrong but did any of the posters clamoring for more ballhandling exactly predict that DSR would be gone?
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Post by lda05816 on Mar 31, 2015 15:09:37 GMT -5
What is the NBA comp for DSR? I wish him the best and if he makes a roster, it looks great for recruiting, but I couldn't really come up with a player who he resembles.
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 31, 2015 15:12:26 GMT -5
DSR had the most stable coach and secure playing time of anyone in college basketball. Let's not pretend he's some victim who needed to get out of Georgetown before the program turned on him. Call it like it is: He wants to make money (probably Euros) and doesn't mind sacrificing a Georgetown degree to do it. No one said he is a victim, nor did I suggest that he is beating it out of town before being turned on. Only point is that the culture of college basketball has changed and there is no longer a reasonable expectation by coach or player of a four year commitment to a school. Kids transfer. Coaches leave or get fired. DSR had a good situation. He obviously believes that he can play professionally next year somewhere and make some decent money--so more power to him. It is his gamble and there is nothing wrong with that. I do not begrudge the coach that leaves for the money. I do not begrudge the player doing the same. I also do not agree that he has necessarily sacrificed his Georgetown degree. He can earn that degree later in life--he has at most a 10-12 year window fro playing basketball. But at Georgetown, players do have that certainty. So the players on our team do get to have a reasonable expectation of stability, but our coaches don't. It's frustrating.
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