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Post by Cambridge on Mar 31, 2015 15:12:35 GMT -5
Definitely hurts us a lot on many levels, but the move probably makes sense for him. Even under the most optimistic of projections is seems highly unlikely he was going to get drafted by an NBA team next year. While he likely would have improved a bit as a senior, he's probably nearing the limit of how much he can develop in college. Therefore, playing another season really only presented the risk of injury with limited upside. If he signs with a European club now, depending on where he lands, he could be looking at six figures, tax free, with housing paid for by the club. Playing professionally rather than as a student athlete will let him focus 100% on his game and his body which is probably the best bet for maxing out any remaining athletic potential and skill development. Who knows, a few good seasons over there may bring him back to the NBA. But in any event, barring injury, he could play 10 years abroad, making great money doing what he wants to do. He can always finish his degree in the off-season. So if that's what he's thinking, I can totally understand why he would forego his senior season. That being said, if he is planning on signing with a D-League squad, well, that would be a head scratcher. Not only is the pay way, way worse, it's taxed...and you'll spend countless weeks travelling from one regional city to another by bus.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 31, 2015 15:12:36 GMT -5
DSR becomes the first guard drafted under III, you heard it here first. Bracey and Fultz committ right after.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 31, 2015 15:13:25 GMT -5
Not so fast, BD. It comes up whenever a school loses a player early. Let's see what JT3 does to replace DSR for the upcoming season, and beyond. After all, he was done after next season anyway. Were we going to be done after his anticipated departure at the end of the 2015-2016 season? I'm with Big Dog here, especially if we don't add an eligible transfer. We have one guy on the roster that can play point guard. We are now losing our top 3 scorers (more than 1/2 of our points) and top 3 rebounders. We have no one that has shown they can lead an offense, or who has ever been the focus of a defense. That's the nature of sports....you're not given a roster full of experience. Players grow into their roles and responsibilities.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 31, 2015 15:14:26 GMT -5
Hey. Over the years as a Hoya Fan, I've realized that things are never as good as they look in the offseason or as bad...at least..mostly never! Amen, I've learned that about life in general. Good to keep in mind
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Post by Buckets on Mar 31, 2015 15:16:18 GMT -5
How many guys who leave actually come back and get the diploma? Jeff did it, yes. Who else? How many players have left after 3 years? It might not be that hard to finish school and get his degree. You dont even know how far along he is right now. FWIW, the two who made very similar decisions in terms of very uncertain NBA prospects leaving after their junior year, Summers and Hollis Thompson, both have not graduated as far as I know. Their threads are full of vitriol from many of the same posters. Summers got drafted, stuck with the Pistons for two seasons, then played parts of two more seasons in the NBA when he really didn't improve that much. He's now playing in the top Spanish league for a team based in the Canary Islands. That can't be too bad. Thompson spent a year in the D League, caught the eye of the 76ers, and has now made $1.3M playing basketball the last two years, which is not bad for a 23-year-old. I can always understand a kid deciding that what's best for his future isn't playing another year for free. People assuming this is a "dumb decision" have really no idea what DSR thinks of himself or what he wants. If he's happy playing in Europe next year and getting paid, this is a great decision. If he thinks that another coaching staff focusing purely on basketball and not school is going to help his future and that he can always come back and get a degree later, then that's fine, too.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 31, 2015 15:16:48 GMT -5
I agree. People don't seem to realize that our opinion of DSR's game is not DSR's opinion of his game. What I have always liked about DSR going back to when I first saw him at Oak Hill, he thinks that he is the best player on the court. This hurt Gtown basketball and maybe DSR doesn't get drafted but I don't think for a second that DSR is thinking about Europe or the D-league. The kid thinks that he is the best guard in the draft. And in his defense, this year he has improved on all of our worries coming into the season. He should have come back but as it has already been stated, his stock wasn't improving much regardless. Look, it's all hypothetical now and irrelevant, but I don't think his stock necessarily was stuck in place. As you say, he improved a good deal this year, particularly on the defensive end. There's no reason to think he wouldn't improve a good deal more next year. And with a more balanced lineup (potentially), it's possible he would have gotten a significant number of additional open looks next year. If he finished the year as a 49% 3PT shooter, that would have opened doors for him at the NBA level, regardless of the size/athleticism concerns that weren't going to change. And if he has an outsized opinion of himself? Well, that's why you need to get some good advice. After all, the only thing that matters in terms of being drafted (or being invited to a camp) is what others think of you. Maybe they're all wrong, and you're right, but it doesn't make a difference. The first part seems unrealistic, and the second part off base. You think he would've signed with an agent so quickly if nobody believed in him. Most of the reason there hasn't been draft chatter about him is because no one expected him to declare early, but that's not the whole reason. Call me crazy, but I see someone who put up 17ppg as a sophomore having enough talent to at least catch an eye or two.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 31, 2015 15:17:00 GMT -5
No one said he is a victim, nor did I suggest that he is beating it out of town before being turned on. Only point is that the culture of college basketball has changed and there is no longer a reasonable expectation by coach or player of a four year commitment to a school. Kids transfer. Coaches leave or get fired. DSR had a good situation. He obviously believes that he can play professionally next year somewhere and make some decent money--so more power to him. It is his gamble and there is nothing wrong with that. I do not begrudge the coach that leaves for the money. I do not begrudge the player doing the same. I also do not agree that he has necessarily sacrificed his Georgetown degree. He can earn that degree later in life--he has at most a 10-12 year window fro playing basketball. But at Georgetown, players do have that certainty. So the players on our team do get to have a reasonable expectation of stability, but our coaches don't. It's frustrating. It's college basketball today.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 31, 2015 15:17:34 GMT -5
What is the NBA comp for DSR? I wish him the best and if he makes a roster, it looks great for recruiting, but I couldn't really come up with a player who he resembles. Jameer Nelson?
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 31, 2015 15:17:53 GMT -5
With only 1 year left, I have no doubt he will graduate from Georgetown, much like Jeff Green did. Unfortunately, most high level players look at playing professionally since they were at their first travel camp in middle school. I guess it was too much for us to all assume DSR would always be a 4 year player. No doubt? Why? He's making a stupid decision. Why assume he will wise up and get his degree? Stupid decision according to you...
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Post by nychoya3 on Mar 31, 2015 15:18:03 GMT -5
No one said he is a victim, nor did I suggest that he is beating it out of town before being turned on. Only point is that the culture of college basketball has changed and there is no longer a reasonable expectation by coach or player of a four year commitment to a school. Kids transfer. Coaches leave or get fired. DSR had a good situation. He obviously believes that he can play professionally next year somewhere and make some decent money--so more power to him. It is his gamble and there is nothing wrong with that. I do not begrudge the coach that leaves for the money. I do not begrudge the player doing the same. I also do not agree that he has necessarily sacrificed his Georgetown degree. He can earn that degree later in life--he has at most a 10-12 year window fro playing basketball. But at Georgetown, players do have that certainty. So the players on our team do get to have a reasonable expectation of stability, but our coaches don't. It's frustrating. Won't someone please think of the poor college basketball coaches who are paid millions and millions of dollars!? DSR is 100 percent justified in looking out for himself. I'm disappointed, but it's his call and his gamble to take. He's been a terrific Hoya on the court and off. Reading the posts trying to disguise our own selfish interest in seeing Georgetown win more games with concern for DSR's well being or whatever is predictably annoying.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 31, 2015 15:18:20 GMT -5
I'm with Big Dog here, especially if we don't add an eligible transfer. We have one guy on the roster that can play point guard. We are now losing our top 3 scorers (more than 1/2 of our points) and top 3 rebounders. We have no one that has shown they can lead an offense, or who has ever been the focus of a defense. It's definitely doomsday for next year, but do you really agree with the rest of the points? Doesnt seem like you. Yeah, next year could be brutal. But, I guess this is where it might be good that the BE isnt exactly a juggernaut Next year, we'll once again be good. We had a chance to be great. Well, I guess we could be great in 2016-17, but that requires no one to go pro early, no one to get hurt, no one to screw up their academics and all of our top 100 recruits to be good. And no stupid tournament losses. Jeff, Greg Monroe, Otto, Hollis, DSR, Tyler, Greg Whittington, Chris Braswell, Josh, Nate, Reggie, Hopkins. It's really hard to see this program putting everything together for a big run.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 31, 2015 15:18:51 GMT -5
Some hot sports opinions to follow, but I remain loyal to John Thompson's stand from 40+ years ago: he wasn't interested in recruits who weren't interested in a degree.
Nor should we.
Unless a player is a lottery pick, out of eligibility, or flunking out, he should always be back for his senior year. DSR did not hold up his end of the bargain, plain & simple.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 31, 2015 15:19:09 GMT -5
What is the NBA comp for DSR? I wish him the best and if he makes a roster, it looks great for recruiting, but I couldn't really come up with a player who he resembles. Old Mo Williams? I saw flashes of DSR when he dropped 50 earlier this year
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 31, 2015 15:20:11 GMT -5
Another plus is we have tons of guard minutes to offer 5th year transfer for next year as well as those in '16 as we need depth desperately at this point.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 31, 2015 15:21:35 GMT -5
It's definitely doomsday for next year, but do you really agree with the rest of the points? Doesnt seem like you. Yeah, next year could be brutal. But, I guess this is where it might be good that the BE isnt exactly a juggernaut Next year, we'll once again be good. We had a chance to be great. Well, I guess we could be great in 2016-17, but that requires no one to go pro early, no one to get hurt, no one to screw up their academics and all of our top 100 recruits to be good. And no stupid tournament losses. Jeff, Greg Monroe, Otto, Hollis, DSR, Tyler, Greg Whittington, Chris Braswell, Josh, Nate, Reggie, Hopkins. It's really hard to see this program putting everything together for a big run. So, DSR was our last remaining hope to be a great team? That seems a little melodramatic.
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Post by TC on Mar 31, 2015 15:21:45 GMT -5
Some hot sports opinions to follow, but I remain loyal to John Thompson's stand from 40+ years ago: he wasn't interested in recruits who weren't interested in a degree. Nor should we. Allen Iverson called and called super hypocrisy on all of the arguments above..
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 31, 2015 15:22:01 GMT -5
How so TC? What does DSR have to do with red shirting? What this should tell all of us is that the staff should never stop/stall it's recruiting efforts, especially when there are spots available.. A number of posters downplayed the need for additional backcourt help in 2015, how's that working out now? What's with people playing the "I told you so card" now that they have the benefit of hindsight? Correct me if I'm wrong but did any of the posters clamoring for more ballhandling exactly predict that DSR would be gone? No they didn't but the question of possible injury to current back court players was posed many times.. The point was even with DSR on board the program needed more help in the backcourt for next season..
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 31, 2015 15:22:48 GMT -5
Some hot sports opinions to follow, but I remain loyal to John Thompson's stand from 40+ years ago: he wasn't interested in recruits who weren't interested in a degree. Nor should we. Unless a player is a lottery pick, out of eligibility, or flunking out, he should always be back for his senior year. DSR did not hold up his end of the bargain, plain & simple. All that considered, you can't always plan for life and a degree in this system is not necessarily at the top of everyone's priority list. Not everyone wants the same thing out of life, much less college or sports. Why begrudge someone for making a decision that was obviously tough on him? And last I check DSR didnt make a "bargain" with JT, for all you know this was he and IIIs plan all year...
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 31, 2015 15:24:52 GMT -5
How so TC? What does DSR have to do with red shirting? What this should tell all of us is that the staff should never stop/stall it's recruiting efforts, especially when there are spots available.. A number of posters downplayed the need for additional backcourt help in 2015, how's that working out now? What's with people playing the "I told you so card" now that they have the benefit of hindsight? Correct me if I'm wrong but did any of the posters clamoring for more ballhandling exactly predict that DSR would be gone? Didn't have to predict he would be gone to realize we could use more ball handling... Is that semi competent?
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 31, 2015 15:25:19 GMT -5
Some hot sports opinions to follow, but I remain loyal to John Thompson's stand from 40+ years ago: he wasn't interested in recruits who weren't interested in a degree. Nor should we. Unless a player is a lottery pick, out of eligibility, or flunking out, he should always be back for his senior year. DSR did not hold up his end of the bargain, plain & simple. Where to even begin.... I guess on the "your opinion is wildly internally inconsistent" part. If he's flunking out, how has he upheld his end of the bargain? And even if he's a lottery pick, if the expectation is that players graduate, what difference should it make if they're a high draft pick or undrafted? Either way, they didn't complete their degree in the normal four-year window you seem to require. It's just a question of degree: DSR is going "pro"; it's just that he won't get 8 figures guaranteed to do it. But that has nothing to do with any graduation/bargain. Aside from that, the "bargain," as I see it, is to get someone's best effort on the court in exchange for an education. Georgetown got his best effort for three years on the court, and gave him an education for three years. Quid. Pro. Quo. And who's to say he wasn't interested in a degree? Or isn't still now? Why is there magic to "four years" of basketball play in exchange for an education, if the education can be completed in 3.5 years. Or, if it can be completed after the fact?
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