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Post by kchoya on Jul 29, 2015 12:12:13 GMT -5
Nationwide Nolan? Is he related to Worldwide Wes?
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Post by prhoya on Jul 29, 2015 13:43:43 GMT -5
I like it. At least we will have mobile players in the post, a seven footer altering shot selection, a more experienced LJ who (hopefully) will not get lost, plus the wingspans and height the doc mentioned. It's a new-look team. Btw, according to ESPN, Joshua averaged 20 mpg and Hopkins 22 mpg. Is there any way to figure out how much of MH's total minutes were played at the 4 and 5? Even if you had those numbers, I think it would still be a bit misleading. The number of times those two guys played in foul trouble and, as such, had to alter how they played (not that they did that all that well in terms of picking up fouls) likely detracts from how representative those stats are of their typical play. True that it alters the way they play, but that will happen again this year unless our new 5s are less foul-prone than Joshua and Hops. I'm thinking Jessie will play 25 mpg (if in shape to handle it), then Bradley between 10 and 15 mpg, and then a committee of AA, TM, and the more experienced IC and PW (like last year).
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Post by tashoya on Jul 29, 2015 14:37:58 GMT -5
Even if you had those numbers, I think it would still be a bit misleading. The number of times those two guys played in foul trouble and, as such, had to alter how they played (not that they did that all that well in terms of picking up fouls) likely detracts from how representative those stats are of their typical play. True that it alters the way they play, but that will happen again this year unless our new 5s are less foul-prone than Joshua and Hops. I'm thinking Jessie will play 25 mpg (if in shape to handle it), then Bradley between 10 and 15 mpg, and then a committee of AA, TM, and the more experienced IC and PW (like last year). Good point. I guess that that barely, if at all, occurred to me that another 2 guys could foul at that rate.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 29, 2015 17:31:31 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 29, 2015 21:54:09 GMT -5
It took awhile for me to get around to writing this but as far as I'm concerned putting Paul White into the starting lineup is a no-brainer that best helps the team. First of all I’ll start by projecting DSR, Peak and Copeland to be the team’s leading scorers this coming season, preferably all three in double figures. If so Paul White would make a pretty good fourth option. But if Govan starts too and plays as well as some expect, he could be the fourth option on offense and possibly average at least 10 points a game himself. If so that would make White an exceptional fifth option. I believe this because I feel White is arguably the best all-around player on the team. He can shoot, he can pass, he can dribble, he can defend, he can rebound. Granted he isn’t great at all of these and still has a way to go in proving that he can be consistently reliable on a few of these fronts (like rebounding in particular), but he has the tools and skills needed to thrive. Since I’m arguing for his inclusion in the starting five let me add that I think he it is fitting that he is, in my opinion, among the top five on the team in several areas. He is easily one of the five best at handling the ball, perhaps in the top three. As a result he can take some of the pressure as well as wear-and-tear away from the DSR/Peak backcourt by bringing up the ball himself from time to time. Based on last season’s shooting percentages he is one of the top five shooters on the team, both from mid-range and beyond the three-point line. He is one of the best passers on the team and one of the best in terms of decision-making. He has a knack for delivering good passes into the paint. He is especially competent at the lost art of feeding the big men, which is likely the result of him playing all of those years in high school with Okafor. If Govan develops nicely throughout the season the Hoyas would be wise to have on the court a guy like White who knows how to get him the rock at the right time with the right pass. His defense is underappreciated. What stands out about his defense is that he appears capable of not only guarding frontcourt opponents but guards too when he is caught in a switch. He moves his feet well enough to check a guy out on the perimeter and his length is a bonus in that scenario too. Then there are a few areas in which White may be the best on the team other than the already-mentioned ability to feed the post. He has a baseline jumper that is a thing of beauty. And he may be the only person on the squad that I have seen execute one or two perfect baseline drives that lead to assists once he draws a defender. He’s simply a smart, skilled player with an all-around understanding of how to play the right way. He needs more strength and extra seasoning but by his junior season he could be on the verge of being really something. Imagine opposing teams this upcoming season having to put so much effort in stopping guys like DSR, Peak, Copeland and possibly Govan and as a result not paying as much attention to White. With his ability to shoot, drive and pass he could be a fourth or fifth option nightmare for defenses.
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Post by ryang on Jul 30, 2015 5:17:38 GMT -5
When thinking about returning players, I think it's important to remember last season's performance. I think sometimes people tend to forget. If my memory serves me (sometimes it doesn't), both Peak and White were very much invisible during the latter stretch of the season. I am in the camp that thinks Copeland is our best returning freshman, and will be our biggest contributor this year (after DSR). If you think otherwise, you are saying either (1) the latter part of last year was an abberation and/or (2) Peak's/White's growth during the offseason was far greater than Copeland's. I just don't see those arguments.I understand Peak played U19 USA basketball. IIRC he had a good first game, but then his points were somewhat minor in the remaining games.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jul 30, 2015 5:46:16 GMT -5
It took awhile for me to get around to writing this but as far as I'm concerned putting Paul White into the starting lineup is a no-brainer that best helps the team. First of all I’ll start by projecting DSR, Peak and Copeland to be the team’s leading scorers this coming season, preferably all three in double figures. If so Paul White would make a pretty good fourth option. But if Govan starts too and plays as well as some expect, he could be the fourth option on offense and possibly average at least 10 points a game himself. If so that would make White an exceptional fifth option. I believe this because I feel White is arguably the best all-around player on the team. He can shoot, he can pass, he can dribble, he can defend, he can rebound. Granted he isn’t great at all of these and still has a way to go in proving that he can be consistently reliable on a few of these fronts (like rebounding in particular), but he has the tools and skills needed to thrive. Since I’m arguing for his inclusion in the starting five let me add that I think he it is fitting that he is, in my opinion, among the top five on the team in several areas. He is easily one of the five best at handling the ball, perhaps in the top three. As a result he can take some of the pressure as well as wear-and-tear away from the DSR/Peak backcourt by bringing up the ball himself from time to time. Based on last season’s shooting percentages he is one of the top five shooters on the team, both from mid-range and beyond the three-point line. He is one of the best passers on the team and one of the best in terms of decision-making. He has a knack for delivering good passes into the paint. He is especially competent at the lost art of feeding the big men, which is likely the result of him playing all of those years in high school with Okafor. If Govan develops nicely throughout the season the Hoyas would be wise to have on the court a guy like White who knows how to get him the rock at the right time with the right pass. His defense is underappreciated. What stands out about his defense is that he appears capable of not only guarding frontcourt opponents but guards too when he is caught in a switch. He moves his feet well enough to check a guy out on the perimeter and his length is a bonus in that scenario too. Then there are a few areas in which White may be the best on the team other than the already-mentioned ability to feed the post. He has a baseline jumper that is a thing of beauty. And he may be the only person on the squad that I have seen execute one or two perfect baseline drives that lead to assists once he draws a defender. He’s simply a smart, skilled player with an all-around understanding of how to play the right way. He needs more strength and extra seasoning but by his junior season he could be on the verge of being really something. Imagine opposing teams this upcoming season having to put so much effort in stopping guys like DSR, Peak, Copeland and possibly Govan and as a result not paying as much attention to White. With his ability to shoot, drive and pass he could be a fourth or fifth option nightmare for defenses. Completely agree, MCI. And just step back and look at that starting 5----why can't that win a Big East title? Is it really that much worse than Villanova? I don't think so.
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Post by calhoya on Jul 30, 2015 7:19:39 GMT -5
It took awhile for me to get around to writing this but as far as I'm concerned putting Paul White into the starting lineup is a no-brainer that best helps the team. First of all I’ll start by projecting DSR, Peak and Copeland to be the team’s leading scorers this coming season, preferably all three in double figures. If so Paul White would make a pretty good fourth option. But if Govan starts too and plays as well as some expect, he could be the fourth option on offense and possibly average at least 10 points a game himself. If so that would make White an exceptional fifth option. I believe this because I feel White is arguably the best all-around player on the team. He can shoot, he can pass, he can dribble, he can defend, he can rebound. Granted he isn’t great at all of these and still has a way to go in proving that he can be consistently reliable on a few of these fronts (like rebounding in particular), but he has the tools and skills needed to thrive. Since I’m arguing for his inclusion in the starting five let me add that I think he it is fitting that he is, in my opinion, among the top five on the team in several areas. He is easily one of the five best at handling the ball, perhaps in the top three. As a result he can take some of the pressure as well as wear-and-tear away from the DSR/Peak backcourt by bringing up the ball himself from time to time. Based on last season’s shooting percentages he is one of the top five shooters on the team, both from mid-range and beyond the three-point line. He is one of the best passers on the team and one of the best in terms of decision-making. He has a knack for delivering good passes into the paint. He is especially competent at the lost art of feeding the big men, which is likely the result of him playing all of those years in high school with Okafor. If Govan develops nicely throughout the season the Hoyas would be wise to have on the court a guy like White who knows how to get him the rock at the right time with the right pass. His defense is underappreciated. What stands out about his defense is that he appears capable of not only guarding frontcourt opponents but guards too when he is caught in a switch. He moves his feet well enough to check a guy out on the perimeter and his length is a bonus in that scenario too. Then there are a few areas in which White may be the best on the team other than the already-mentioned ability to feed the post. He has a baseline jumper that is a thing of beauty. And he may be the only person on the squad that I have seen execute one or two perfect baseline drives that lead to assists once he draws a defender. He’s simply a smart, skilled player with an all-around understanding of how to play the right way. He needs more strength and extra seasoning but by his junior season he could be on the verge of being really something. Imagine opposing teams this upcoming season having to put so much effort in stopping guys like DSR, Peak, Copeland and possibly Govan and as a result not paying as much attention to White. With his ability to shoot, drive and pass he could be a fourth or fifth option nightmare for defenses. Agree with this MCI. Nice to see some love for this kid. I have thought for some time now that White is the key to the upcoming season. If he can continue to develop his ball-handling and outside shot, he can present a threat in either a big or small lineup. Plus I like the way he distributes--not a shoot first guy. Peak seems to have improved. Everyone expects Copeland to be there as a mainstay. DSR leads and scores. Govan/Hayes bring size.
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 30, 2015 7:48:10 GMT -5
When thinking about returning players, I think it's important to remember last season's performance. I think sometimes people tend to forget. If my memory serves me (sometimes it doesn't), both Peak and White were very much invisible during the latter stretch of the season. I am in the camp that thinks Copeland is our best returning freshman, and will be our biggest contributor this year (after DSR). If you think otherwise, you are saying either (1) the latter part of last year was an abberation and/or (2) Peak's/White's growth during the offseason was far greater than Copeland's. I just don't see those arguments.I understand Peak played U19 USA basketball. IIRC he had a good first game, but then his points were somewhat minor in the remaining games. This argument doesn't even make sense. Essentially, what you're saying is is that no one player can ever surpass his peer? For the record, Paul and LJ were making winning plays while Ike was glued to the bench for the majority of the season, invisible and too scared to play with the big boys.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 30, 2015 8:12:05 GMT -5
Completely agree, MCI. And just step back and look at that starting 5----why can't that win a Big East title? Is it really that much worse than Villanova? I don't think so.[/quote] No disrespect to Nova, but I liked Gtown's talent better than theirs last season. All Villanova had over Georgetown IMO was more experience by key players. This season I think the Hoyas have the superior talent once more. Nova has more guards that's for sure. The Hoyas have more talented bigs, better length and more guys who can play multiple positions. I expect the Hoyas to win the Big East barring any injuries.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 30, 2015 8:17:56 GMT -5
Thanks for posting Yaboy. Rothstein's "best of" tweets above are truly remarkable for the Hoyas. In short, he has GU with: #2 and #3 BREAKOUT FRESHMEN! #1 Breakout returning player #1 Under the radar freshman Along with our team leader, DSR, who is the #3 returning player in the conference. Whoever has been pitching GU to Rothstein has done a superb job, or Rothstein himself has seen some very convincing performances. Either way, it just serves to fire up the imagination and the anticipation for Italy and our upcoming season. As Lic would say, "Is it February yet?"
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Post by prhoya on Jul 30, 2015 8:26:19 GMT -5
When thinking about returning players, I think it's important to remember last season's performance. I think sometimes people tend to forget. If my memory serves me (sometimes it doesn't), both Peak and White were very much invisible during the latter stretch of the season. I am in the camp that thinks Copeland is our best returning freshman, and will be our biggest contributor this year (after DSR). If you think otherwise, you are saying either (1) the latter part of last year was an abberation and/or (2) Peak's/White's growth during the offseason was far greater than Copeland's. I just don't see those arguments.I understand Peak played U19 USA basketball. IIRC he had a good first game, but then his points were somewhat minor in the remaining games. This argument doesn't even make sense. Essentially, what you're saying is is that no one player can ever surpass his peer? For the record, Paul and LJ were making winning plays while Ike was glued to the bench for the majority of the season, invisible and too scared to play with the big boys. I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he means that by the end of last season Ike was playing more consistently and that that should carry him to best returning freshman. What needs to happen is for the three mentioned players to be more consistent and not disappear, and we'll be golden.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 30, 2015 8:58:22 GMT -5
Thanks for posting Yaboy. Rothstein's "best of" tweets above are truly remarkable for the Hoyas. In short, he has GU with: #2 and #3 BREAKOUT FRESHMEN! #1 Breakout returning player #1 Under the radar freshman Along with our team leader, DSR, who is the #3 returning player in the conference. Whoever has been pitching GU to Rothstein has done a superb job, or Rothstein himself has seen some very convincing performances. Either way, it just serves to fire up the imagination and the anticipation for Italy and our upcoming season. As Lic would say, "Is it February yet?" I don't know if Rothstein was putting them in order, but I like the way you're thinking.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 30, 2015 9:48:28 GMT -5
Whats the big argument with White and Copeland both showed flashes Copland perhaps more so a little more exciting. But lets be honest both players were terribly inconsistent.White seemed to disappear much of the last month of the season, after playing a big role early on. Copeland would go for 17 pts a bunch of offensive rebounds and look like the second coming and follow it up with a couple of 10 min games and little in the box score. I'm still waiting for both of them to get off the plane in Portland. They were Freshman that is what you expect. Lots of potential but it has to be translated to the court on a consistent basis.
We all get excited about about who will do what next year in the middle of the summer, this team has great offensive potential, but unlike sirsaxa i;m not concerned with results in Italy other than Lics calorie intake, and my imagination will be fueled by what we see in November and December and then hopefully I'll join Lic in a chorus of "Is it February yet"
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Post by seaweed on Jul 30, 2015 10:47:56 GMT -5
people used to say the same thing about Otto - he "seemed to disappear" at times his freshman year. White averaged 5 pts in 18 minutes last year - for comparison purposes, DSR put up 8.9 in 32 minutes his freshman year, Otto averaged 9.7 in 30 minutes per game his freshman year. Otto shot 22% from three compared to PW's 38%, but he is a god and nobody could ever make the leap he made into sophomore year! You can complain about his performance in the NCAAs? He scored 10 pts in 29 minutes the first game, on 4-5 from the field, with three boards and two assists and he got 13 minutes the next game - you can't "appear" if you don't get the run, which he deserved against Utah.
Sometimes, perception is the problem, not performance. Guys who are subtle get called "low motor" and guys who contribute defensively are accused of "disappearing" on offense. Letting the game come to you, as a freshman on a team with multiple upper-classmen/leaders/scoring options is not disappearing - it's being a good teammate. Let's not let Paul's reserved style trick us into thinking he is not a skilled, versatile contributor on both ends of the court.
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Post by Hoya Rich on Jul 30, 2015 12:30:45 GMT -5
Agree with MCI. I think Paul White is one of those guys you want in the starting five. He's a plus-player who will make everyone better by virtue of his skillset.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 12:41:30 GMT -5
people used to say the same thing about Otto - he "seemed to disappear" at times his freshman year. White averaged 5 pts in 18 minutes last year - for comparison purposes, DSR put up 8.9 in 32 minutes his freshman year, Otto averaged 9.7 in 30 minutes per game his freshman year. Otto shot 22% from three compared to PW's 38%, but he is a god and nobody could ever make the leap he made into sophomore year! You can complain about his performance in the NCAAs? He scored 10 pts in 29 minutes the first game, on 4-5 from the field, with three boards and two assists and he got 13 minutes the next game - you can't "appear" if you don't get the run, which he deserved against Utah. Sometimes, perception is the problem, not performance. Guys who are subtle get called "low motor" and guys who contribute defensively are accused of "disappearing" on offense. Letting the game come to you, as a freshman on a team with multiple upper-classmen/leaders/scoring options is not disappearing - it's being a good teammate. Let's not let Paul's reserved style trick us into thinking he is not a skilled, versatile contributor on both ends of the court. I agree for the most part but Otto was the best player on the floor for the Hoyas on average those last 5-6 games of that season. He was in double figures in almost all of his last 10 games and the ones he didn't he had big rebounding numbers.. Paul's starting for sure, too smart, too skilled, too poised, too much like his HC in demeanor and approach..
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 30, 2015 14:10:37 GMT -5
people used to say the same thing about Otto - he "seemed to disappear" at times his freshman year. White averaged 5 pts in 18 minutes last year - for comparison purposes, DSR put up 8.9 in 32 minutes his freshman year, Otto averaged 9.7 in 30 minutes per game his freshman year. Otto shot 22% from three compared to PW's 38%, but he is a god and nobody could ever make the leap he made into sophomore year! You can complain about his performance in the NCAAs? He scored 10 pts in 29 minutes the first game, on 4-5 from the field, with three boards and two assists and he got 13 minutes the next game - you can't "appear" if you don't get the run, which he deserved against Utah. Sometimes, perception is the problem, not performance. Guys who are subtle get called "low motor" and guys who contribute defensively are accused of "disappearing" on offense. Letting the game come to you, as a freshman on a team with multiple upper-classmen/leaders/scoring options is not disappearing - it's being a good teammate. Let's not let Paul's reserved style trick us into thinking he is not a skilled, versatile contributor on both ends of the court. I agree for the most part but Otto was the best player on the floor for the Hoyas on average those last 5-6 games of that season. He was in double figures in almost all of his last 10 games and the ones he didn't he had big rebounding numbers.. Paul's starting for sure, too smart, too skilled, too poised, too much like his HC in demeanor and approach.. I think Simsanity has something to say about that claim....
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