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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 10:58:03 GMT -5
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Post by sleepy on Jul 25, 2015 11:16:43 GMT -5
Agree with offensive potential but, as stated in another post, I still have rim D and rebounding concerns. These early tough games may give us a little idea of what is in store when we get to BE games. ahoya, Duke couldn't defend in the paint last year but they got enough stops and out scored teams. We have good perimeter defenders and great scorers. That's a recipe championship teams have used in the past. Sorry Duke under any metric must have been rated in the top 10-15 defensively. We lost our best perimeter defender, who was only a bit better than average, in Trawick. DSR not the quickest laterally has a good D IQ, and very quick hands. If he would only play the game from start to finish as if his 1st foul wasn't going to be his 5th. At best for 3 years he has been an ave. defender. Peak made great strides defensively throughout the season he may develop into a good defender wouldn't call him a stopper i just hope he can add a little more defensively than Trawick. Tre despite his speed has total lack of any lateral mobility, his positioning hands and feet are sub par and it appeared that he did little during the season to improve basic defensive fundamentals. Reminds me of Jason Clark defensive play put he doesn't seem to have the quick hands and eye for the loose ball that at least made Clark a decent contributor. As a whole defensively we might be just a little better or about the same as last season, and i'm not looking forward to more drive penetration at the basket. Hopefully, depth and experience at the 3 and 4 slots and maybe a little more quickness with the absence of Smith our rotations may improve. Then again its July we will see what we have in November and how this group improves into February. Just Idle speculation.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 25, 2015 11:43:21 GMT -5
Agree with offensive potential but, as stated in another post, I still have rim D and rebounding concerns. Duke has been going deep into tourneys most yeas and at times winning championships despite being below average on those fronts. What would be our excuse if the Hoyas suffer a bit with those issues too but end up taking an early exit in the post season? If the team can't be great at rebounding or blocking shots then I would suggest they make up for it with a greater offensive output
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 25, 2015 11:44:11 GMT -5
Agree with offensive potential but, as stated in another post, I still have rim D and rebounding concerns. These early tough games may give us a little idea of what is in store when we get to BE games. ahoya, Duke couldn't defend in the paint last year but they got enough stops and out scored teams. We have good perimeter defenders and great scorers. That's a recipe championship teams have used in the past. Oooops. Beat me to the punch.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 25, 2015 11:59:46 GMT -5
Agree with offensive potential but, as stated in another post, I still have rim D and rebounding concerns. These early tough games may give us a little idea of what is in store when we get to BE games. ahoya, Duke couldn't defend in the paint last year but they got enough stops and out scored teams. We have good perimeter defenders and great scorers. That's a recipe championship teams have used in the past. Well stated Hoyazeke, good defense & rebounding is as much about getting key stops as it is shutting an opponent down.. Most folks on the board have been dying to see legit offensive players in the program at all positions and now that it seems G'town has that, why worry about defense or rebounding until we see it being a consistent issue for the team?
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 25, 2015 12:25:20 GMT -5
Sorry Duke under any metric must have been rated in the top 10-15 defensively. Last season, yes. But in the previous ten or more seasons Duke has been average on those fronts. Duke teams went a long stretch of years without putting great defenses on the floor but they were so good on the other end that they ended up compensating to an extent.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 14:34:54 GMT -5
Duke looked all the way overrated until they started playing much better defense late in the season. That being said they finished 12th in the nation in Defense last season according to Ken Pom. kenpom.com/index.php?s=RankAdjDEThey also had 3 NBA 1st rounders on their team 2 lotto if we get that type of production out of our guys that would be amazing. Wisconsin finished in the 50's though but their offensive efficiency was ridiculous 4 points higher than the 2nd place team (Duke).However the year prior Uconn was top 10 on D and 40 on offense. Think no matter how you slice it both teams looked very good on both sides when it counted in March. BTW we were in the 50's so guys have to be a lot better in order to seriously consider a we can outscore everyone argument tbh. Definitely think we can improve a lot on that number but how much is the question. Duke finished #2
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 25, 2015 22:15:03 GMT -5
Duke looked all the way overrated until they started playing much better defense late in the season. That being said they finished 12th in the nation in Defense last season according to Ken Pom. kenpom.com/index.php?s=RankAdjDEThey also had 3 NBA 1st rounders on their team 2 lotto if we get that type of production out of our guys that would be amazing. Wisconsin finished in the 50's though but their offensive efficiency was ridiculous 4 points higher than the 2nd place team (Duke).However the year prior Uconn was top 10 on D and 40 on offense. Think no matter how you slice it both teams looked very good on both sides when it counted in March. BTW we were in the 50's so guys have to be a lot better in order to seriously consider a we can outscore everyone argument tbh. Definitely think we can improve a lot on that number but how much is the question. Duke finished #2I would buy stock in this if the team lost great defenders off of last years team but imo it didn't.. Jessie can't be much worse than Josh was, Hopkins & Jabril were above average types but far from great.. The gap for this team to reach last season's defense isn't that wide.. Offensively though the team has a chance to be much much better this coming season..
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 26, 2015 8:03:26 GMT -5
yup o and d will be kinda VERY good and depth OH MY we will see but we will surprise CANT WAIT.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 12:17:02 GMT -5
Duke looked all the way overrated until they started playing much better defense late in the season. That being said they finished 12th in the nation in Defense last season according to Ken Pom. kenpom.com/index.php?s=RankAdjDEThey also had 3 NBA 1st rounders on their team 2 lotto if we get that type of production out of our guys that would be amazing. Wisconsin finished in the 50's though but their offensive efficiency was ridiculous 4 points higher than the 2nd place team (Duke).However the year prior Uconn was top 10 on D and 40 on offense. Think no matter how you slice it both teams looked very good on both sides when it counted in March. BTW we were in the 50's so guys have to be a lot better in order to seriously consider a we can outscore everyone argument tbh. Definitely think we can improve a lot on that number but how much is the question. Duke finished #2I would buy stock in this if the team lost great defenders off of last years team but imo it didn't.. Jessie can't be much worse than Josh was, Hopkins & Jabril were above average types but far from great.. The gap for this team to reach last season's defense isn't that wide.. Offensively though the team has a chance to be much much better this coming season.. What is there to buy stock in? Poster were comparing our offense to Dukes last year. Odds are it's not going to be that good, There's a huuuge gap between the 50th best offensive team and the 2nd best but for all the talk about Dukes defense they finished #12 in the nation. Unless your offense is on auto pilot like Wisconsin's last year than you have to play both sides in most cases to be elite.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 26, 2015 12:30:03 GMT -5
You have to play both sides is absolutely right.
The good news is that basketball is a team sport. And especially on the defensive side, the defense can be better than the sum of its parts. Two, despite all of its issues, the defense was still 42nd last year, only 2 ppg behind Duke's on a per possession basis and adjusting for competition. In other words, we weren't bad and if can improve, we're not that far from the top.
I don't think we need a lock down defender. We need a group of good defenders who put in high effort, know where to be and have good technique. I think we can have that with this group of freshmen becoming sophomores. The question is whether the newcomers -- all of whom look to see decent time -- can get up to speed quickly.
We did lose mostly strong defenders. But I don't think there was anyone that shouldn't/couldn't be duplicated on a position by position basis except probably at center, where Govan is just going to need help. But Copeland and Peak and White and Campbell should all be much better.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 26, 2015 12:52:47 GMT -5
Look- Josh Smith was an enormous defensive liability. Hopkins was a beast on defense. The Hoyas are missing both players, so we will have to see how that works out. Still, it is very reasonable to believe that this team can (and should) be a decent, and perhaps a fairly good, defensive team if they buy in and work hard.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 26, 2015 13:09:59 GMT -5
I would buy stock in this if the team lost great defenders off of last years team but imo it didn't.. Jessie can't be much worse than Josh was, Hopkins & Jabril were above average types but far from great.. The gap for this team to reach last season's defense isn't that wide.. Offensively though the team has a chance to be much much better this coming season.. What is there to buy stock in? Poster were comparing our offense to Dukes last year. Odds are it's not going to be that good, There's a huuuge gap between the 50th best offensive team and the 2nd best but for all the talk about Dukes defense they finished #12 in the nation. Unless your offense is on auto pilot like Wisconsin's last year than you have to play both sides in most cases to be elite. I read the bolded out portion of your post to mean G'town had to be a lot better than #50 offensively this coming season in order to be able to outscore opponents.. I wasn't thinking of a comparison to Duke.. My point remains that the team wasn't all that defensively/rebounding last season so why worry about what this year's team will be now? You're right chances are slim that G'town's offense will rank in the top 5 offensively this season but it should be much better than last season.. Imo the strength of the team is on offense and I hope the staff emphasizes that strength..
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 27, 2015 9:18:54 GMT -5
Duke was 12th defensively
but they were 125th in defensive rebounding and 113th in 2P% defense. So people are right that they were just average at defensive rebounding and guarding the rim. Opponents got 61% of their points from 2pt range the 3rd worse mark in the country, so clearly they had deficiencies.
They made up for it by 1) Not fouling (4th nationally) 2) defended the 3 well (44th), were above average in steals (63rd).
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 27, 2015 9:45:27 GMT -5
cant wait yup caleb is a true basketball player great all around smart bball high IQ will contribute in many ways and think will see some time for sure a future philly tough from VA just maybe put on a little more muscle to go with his toughness and heart on d and to the HOOP.
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Post by kchoya on Jul 27, 2015 10:10:36 GMT -5
cant wait yup caleb is a true basketball player great all around smart bball high IQ will contribute in many ways and think will see some time for sure a future philly tough from VA just maybe put on a little more muscle to go with his toughness and heart on d and to the HOOP. Good post.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 16:18:28 GMT -5
I think Burton changed his name from Nat to Nate and back 57 times during his GU career. Good post.
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Post by drquigley on Jul 28, 2015 15:33:38 GMT -5
I think this year's club will be JTIII's defensive wet dream. So many guys 6-5 and above with great wingspans and quickness. I see them being monsters in the 2-3 zone. Last year had to be a nightmare for JTIII when Josh was on the court or Hopkins was collecting fouls like they were on sale.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 28, 2015 18:11:30 GMT -5
I think this year's club will be JTIII's defensive wet dream. So many guys 6-5 and above with great wingspans and quickness. I see them being monsters in the 2-3 zone. Last year had to be a nightmare for JTIII when Josh was on the court or Hopkins was collecting fouls like they were on sale. I am optimistic - but we may want to temper our expectations until we see how our bigs play against D1 level competition every night.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 28, 2015 18:50:51 GMT -5
I think this year's club will be JTIII's defensive wet dream. So many guys 6-5 and above with great wingspans and quickness. I see them being monsters in the 2-3 zone. Last year had to be a nightmare for JTIII when Josh was on the court or Hopkins was collecting fouls like they were on sale. I am optimistic - but we may want to temper our expectations until we see how our bigs play against D1 level competition every night. I like it. At least we will have mobile players in the post, a seven footer altering shot selection, a more experienced LJ who (hopefully) will not get lost, plus the wingspans and height the doc mentioned. It's a new-look team. Btw, according to ESPN, Joshua averaged 20 mpg and Hopkins 22 mpg. Is there any way to figure out how much of MH's total minutes were played at the 4 and 5?
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