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Post by Big Dog on Apr 1, 2015 14:00:13 GMT -5
Who wouldn't be? But how many Gonzagas are there--what a crazy small margin for error? And by the way, has Gonzaga been to the Final Four? We could very easily equal Gonzaga's run, and add a Final Four onto it, playing in this lesser Big East. I am with you that it is a bit disappointing how this has shaken out, but it could have been a lot worse, and we can still be a major program even in a (high) mid-major conference. All right, then I don't think we are disagreeing about much of anything. Maybe we have different levels of disappointment about what the Nova upset + DSR departure means for the state of play. I guess we are disagreeing that we could "very easily equal Gonzaga's run".
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Post by hoyamonarch on Apr 1, 2015 14:03:59 GMT -5
As someone that went to a true mid major undergrad and Georgetown grad, I can sympathize with the mid major way of thinking. However, the Big East basketball conference is so far from mid major that it's not even funny. This is essentially just doom and gloom. The Big East had a very strong year with a conference RPI 2nd in the nation and you could argue that 4-5 top 25 teams. As an undergrad at a mid major, I also envied Big East basketball. Now, as a graduate student at a major college basketball institution, I'm reading that it's fan believe they are a mid major......
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Post by guru on Apr 1, 2015 14:06:45 GMT -5
We could very easily equal Gonzaga's run, and add a Final Four onto it, playing in this lesser Big East. I am with you that it is a bit disappointing how this has shaken out, but it could have been a lot worse, and we can still be a major program even in a (high) mid-major conference. All right, then I don't think we are disagreeing about much of anything. Maybe we have different levels of disappointment about what the Nova upset + DSR departure means for the state of play. I guess we are disagreeing that we could "very easily equal Gonzaga's run". very easily is overstating it. But it's doable with our program, even in this conference. So yes, pretty certain we agree on this.
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Post by jld on Apr 1, 2015 14:13:06 GMT -5
I believe that we will have to wait until mid- to late- April to see how the dust settles. The coaching carousel and transfer announcements will continue for the next several days and we have to see if we can pick up a 2015 guard whose coach left and/or a graduate student to fill out the pack court depth.
The one thing that bothers me in that the DSR move seems to have come upon the staff without warning. Perhaps we could have been more aggressive with 2015 guards after our top choices like Dozier, et al went elsewhere, so that we would not have to scramble now. But the fact remains that contrary to some chatter here, the staff did go after very good guards for this class, but without success.
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Post by Filo on Apr 1, 2015 14:24:23 GMT -5
Love this Big Dog and guru, "Wish You Would Step Back from the Ledge" nonstop banter. It's like the Main Event tag-team of the Clinically Depressed Wrestling Federation.
You guys can keep thinking you are Captains of Objectivity, but your pessimistic bias comes through in every post. Second in RPI, six teams in the tourney, etc. That's the facts. You can speculate all you want about the demise of the conference, or what everyone else supposedly says is the demise of the conference. And, it may very well happen. But that's speculation and facts are facts. I agree, let's wait to see how the dust settles.
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Post by guru on Apr 1, 2015 14:30:36 GMT -5
Love this Big Dog and guru, "Wish You Would Step Back from the Ledge" nonstop banter. It's like the Main Event tag-team of the Clinically Depressed Wrestling Federation. You guys can keep thinking you are Captains of Objectivity, but your pessimistic bias comes through in every post. Second in RPI, six teams in the tourney, etc. That's the facts. You can speculate all you want about the demise of the conference, or what everyone else supposedly says is the demise of the conference. And, it may very well happen. But that's speculation and facts are facts. I agree, let's wait to see how the dust settles. It's fine to disagree. Not sure I get the personal attacks.
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 1, 2015 14:43:21 GMT -5
We will have our chance to prove that we are worthy of being in the conversation early in the season. We get Duke and/ or Wisconsin. Let's think about what each of those two teams are losing. Duke (Okafor, Cook, Winslow & Jones), Wisconsin (Kaminsky, Dekker and Gosser). We lost DSR, Brilly, Hop, Bowen and Josh. Considering each teams departures and what each has returning, I like our pieces over the other two teams. I say all of that because if we win that first game we are in the conversation.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 1, 2015 14:46:41 GMT -5
Love this Big Dog and guru, "Wish You Would Step Back from the Ledge" nonstop banter. It's like the Main Event tag-team of the Clinically Depressed Wrestling Federation. You guys can keep thinking you are Captains of Objectivity, but your pessimistic bias comes through in every post. Second in RPI, six teams in the tourney, etc. That's the facts. You can speculate all you want about the demise of the conference, or what everyone else supposedly says is the demise of the conference. And, it may very well happen. But that's speculation and facts are facts. I agree, let's wait to see how the dust settles. It's fine to disagree. Not sure I get the personal attacks. What personal attacks? Did I miss them?
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Post by guru on Apr 1, 2015 14:49:01 GMT -5
It's fine to disagree. Not sure I get the personal attacks. What personal attacks? Did I miss them? Yeah. Guess you did.
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 1, 2015 14:50:47 GMT -5
Love this Big Dog and guru, "Wish You Would Step Back from the Ledge" nonstop banter. It's like the Main Event tag-team of the Clinically Depressed Wrestling Federation. You guys can keep thinking you are Captains of Objectivity, but your pessimistic bias comes through in every post. Second in RPI, six teams in the tourney, etc. That's the facts. You can speculate all you want about the demise of the conference, or what everyone else supposedly says is the demise of the conference. And, it may very well happen. But that's speculation and facts are facts. I agree, let's wait to see how the dust settles. If you can make a case that the national perception of the Big East is as a league on par with the Power 5, as opposed to an overrated, lesser league at the level of the MWC, please do so. Please do not make me yet again have to articulate the distinction between 1) my personal beliefs about the Big East and 2) the overwhelming public consensus. I don't think any reasonable person can disagree with my characterization here of the current state of #2. My views on #1, which you seem to be referring to, are completely irrelevant.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 1, 2015 14:52:47 GMT -5
What personal attacks? Did I miss them? Yeah. Guess you did. If it's in the referenced post, I'd say someone is a little touchy today...
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Post by guru on Apr 1, 2015 14:58:18 GMT -5
If it's in the referenced post, I'd say someone is a little touchy today... If he's going to call out posters by name, he shouldn't mischaracterize their position. That's all. Not touchy. As stated in that thread, I am actually quite bullish on the prospects for our program going forward despite conference concerns.
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Post by cheer48 on Apr 1, 2015 15:09:01 GMT -5
Peace brothers, remember we are into the " Easter Season " a season of an ultimate peace....Happy Easter to all you guys !
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 1, 2015 15:10:08 GMT -5
Love this Big Dog and guru, "Wish You Would Step Back from the Ledge" nonstop banter. It's like the Main Event tag-team of the Clinically Depressed Wrestling Federation. You guys can keep thinking you are Captains of Objectivity, but your pessimistic bias comes through in every post. Second in RPI, six teams in the tourney, etc. That's the facts. You can speculate all you want about the demise of the conference, or what everyone else supposedly says is the demise of the conference. And, it may very well happen. But that's speculation and facts are facts. I agree, let's wait to see how the dust settles. If you can make a case that the national perception of the Big East is as a league on par with the Power 5, as opposed to an overrated, lesser league at the level of the MWC, please do so. Please do not make me yet again have to articulate the distinction between 1) my personal beliefs about the Big East and 2) the overwhelming public consensus. I don't think any reasonable person can disagree with my characterization here of the current state of #2. My views on #1, which you seem to be referring to, are completely irrelevant. I'd say we're easily above the Mountain West perception wise. The Big East has a much better brand (even if its worse than it was previously), multiple big name programs (Nova, us, Marquette) and much more recent tournament success. They have no big name programs (if you think UNLV is still a big name program, then so is St. John's) and San Diego State is the only team from their conference to make the Sweet Sixteen since 2007, and 1990-91 UNLV was the last team to make the Final Four from the MWC. 60% of our conference has made more NCAA tournaments than every program in the MWC. The MWC has four Sweet Sixteen appearances since UNLV made the Final Four in 1991 (SDSU in 2011 & 2014, UNLV in 2007 and Nevada in 2004) and no elite eights. My guess is we settle into something around (probably better, maybe equal to) the old C-USA when it had L'Ville, Marquette, Cincinnati, Memphis, etc. We'll clearly be better than all the mid-major leagues and will have enough good programs that we can be one of the best conferences in any given year, but we won't be challenging for the title of best conference every year like the old Big East did.
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Post by Legend_Kenny on Apr 1, 2015 15:26:28 GMT -5
I am new to this but I did a little research dealing with Jon Wallace, come to find out this guy was a walk on he was not superstar but the guy was smart an intelligent, he wasn't even in rivals AT ALL. Can we get by with a walk on I can say yes because they will work hard and make up for not having the physical skills. More than likely a walk on will study film and have a very high IQ for sure. Was Mr. Wallace the best ball handler by far he wasn't but he was good with the basics. In short we do need a back up guard for Tre yes we do, do we have him now not sure but best believe Mr. Wallace alone is enough for me to say that a team can get by with a walk on as long as he has a decent supporting cast. I feel we will have that with Tre being our lead guard he has that ability to lead this team everything will be ok folks. We made the final four with a walk on PG so there it is.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Apr 1, 2015 15:36:29 GMT -5
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Post by GUJook97 on Apr 1, 2015 15:47:28 GMT -5
Why would you expect Georgetown to have more revenue than St. John's?
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Apr 1, 2015 16:03:08 GMT -5
An absolute crap program like Northwestern is 24th because they own their own arena, are in the Big Ten and is located in Chicago.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 1, 2015 16:09:32 GMT -5
I am new to this but I did a little research dealing with Jon Wallace, come to find out this guy was a walk on he was not superstar but the guy was smart an intelligent, he wasn't even in rivals AT ALL. Can we get by with a walk on I can say yes because they will work hard and make up for not having the physical skills. More than likely a walk on will study film and have a very high IQ for sure. Was Mr. Wallace the best ball handler by far he wasn't but he was good with the basics. In short we do need a back up guard for Tre yes we do, do we have him now not sure but best believe Mr. Wallace alone is enough for me to say that a team can get by with a walk on as long as he has a decent supporting cast. I feel we will have that with Tre being our lead guard he has that ability to lead this team everything will be ok folks. We made the final four with a walk on PG so there it is. He was not a regular walk-on. He was going to Princeton with JT3 and came here when JT3 came over. He was a quality player, but agree with you that he wasn't in the majors' radar. Wallace shows that there is talent out there to be had and overlooked by majors. Most importantly, Wallace was a smart player who worked hard. Ask his mother and the broom. . That is what we need: smart, hard working recruits. Those do the best under JT3.
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Post by GUJook97 on Apr 1, 2015 16:18:07 GMT -5
An absolute crap program like Northwestern is 24th because they own their own arena, are in the Big Ten and is located in Chicago. Yeah, as one of the commenters noted, the difference between Lville and UK might solely be that the Yum Center sells alcohol and I would guess that Rupp Arena is not allowed to.
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