TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 1, 2015 16:40:32 GMT -5
An absolute crap program like Northwestern is 24th because they own their own arena, are in the Big Ten and is located in Chicago. Yeah, as one of the commenters noted, the difference between Lville and UK might solely be that the Yum Center sells alcohol and I would guess that Rupp Arena is not allowed to. Unless something's changed in the past two years, Rupp doesn't sell alcohol during UK games. They do sell it for concerts and such (I was confused for awhile when I went why there were taps but no sales), but not during basketball games.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 1, 2015 17:25:49 GMT -5
Peace brothers, remember we are into the " Easter Season " a season of an ultimate peace....Happy Easter to all you guys ! And gals!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 1, 2015 18:55:26 GMT -5
Peace brothers, remember we are into the " Easter Season " a season of an ultimate peace....Happy Easter to all you guys ! We could all use a little peace and love this off season.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Apr 1, 2015 19:40:35 GMT -5
Love this Big Dog and guru, "Wish You Would Step Back from the Ledge" nonstop banter. It's like the Main Event tag-team of the Clinically Depressed Wrestling Federation. You guys can keep thinking you are Captains of Objectivity, but your pessimistic bias comes through in every post. Second in RPI, six teams in the tourney, etc. That's the facts. You can speculate all you want about the demise of the conference, or what everyone else supposedly says is the demise of the conference. And, it may very well happen. But that's speculation and facts are facts. I agree, let's wait to see how the dust settles. If you can make a case that the national perception of the Big East is as a league on par with the Power 5, as opposed to an overrated, lesser league at the level of the MWC, please do so. Please do not make me yet again have to articulate the distinction between 1) my personal beliefs about the Big East and 2) the overwhelming public consensus. I don't think any reasonable person can disagree with my characterization here of the current state of #2. My views on #1, which you seem to be referring to, are completely irrelevant. Using superlatives and hyperbole to augment your arguments does not make your arguments any more factual. You refer to "the overwhelming public consensus" and other things like that, but there really is no such thing. You will certainly find pundits, analysts, etc. that will say that the BE is mid-major level (and a portion of them will be the usual ACC-homer types that lack any objectivity). But this tidal wave of anti-BE sentiment that is out there? It's a fiction you are using to support your current woe-is-us mentality. And, really, your argument seems to boil down to "Villanova lost and let us down and now everyone thinks the BE is crap." Is the BE viewed on the same level of the Power 5? Perhaps not, but they are viewed as closer to the Power 5 than they are to the mid-majors. And I think there is a decent argument that the BE is viewed as pretty comparable to all but the ACC and B1G.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Apr 1, 2015 20:27:36 GMT -5
It may very well be true, but keep in mind there is no standardized methodology for reporting revenue for basketball programs for surveys like these, and as a private school we can report whatever we like. Take all the numbers with a grain of salt.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 2, 2015 8:58:03 GMT -5
Every - EVERY - mid-major conference in the country would drool at just the thought of being the Big East. Might we be a tick below the "Power 5" right now? Certainly a possibility, because we have not yet had postseason success, which is probably needed for that "public perception".
But as an oldster, I seem to recall that when the Big East was formed, it was not a powerhouse conference by any means - just some eastern teams with some solid programs, certainly no elite programs. It took a few years for the reputations to grow and the recruits to come. It took the BET moving to the Garden. It took Patrick and 1984 and 1985. Before we give up and relegate the conference to the obscurity of mid-majordom, maybe we give it 2 or 3 more years to establish itself and its relative power. Oh, and take away Arizona, and the PAC 12 is the epitome of a mid-major. So there is that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 5:42:14 GMT -5
Recruit and Reload: Georgetown Hoyas
Thompson and his program sure could use a deep run into late March next season to silence the naysayers, but they’ll need to lean on their talented, but young, core to do so. Our Recruit and Reload series moves on to the cobblestone streets of Georgetown.
Key Losses: Joshua Smith (graduation), Jabril Trawick (graduation)
Possible Losses: No announcements made
Key Returners: D’Vauntes Smith-Rivera, L.J. Peak, Isaac Copeland, Paul White
Key Newcomers: Jessie Govan (four-star, center), Marcus Derrickson (four-star, power forward)
Breakdown: The Hoyas’ outlook for next season took a sizeable hit when Smith-Rivera announced he was leaving school to pursue a professional career. However, he changed his mind just a few weeks later before signing with an agent, opening the door for him to finish his career in the nation’s capitol. Alongside him will be a trio of talented sophomores in Peak, Copeland and White. By adding Govan and Derrickson to those three, the Hoyes have a legitimate argument for having the best frontcourt in the Big East. John Thompson III still must find a secondary perimeter scorer to go alongside Smith-Rivera, but he will have as much versatility at the forward spots as he’s had since Otto Porter was in town–and it may actually be longer than that.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 19, 2015 12:30:51 GMT -5
While I think that overview is mostly accurate, it completely leaves out Tre Campbell. I think he could very well be the additional perimeter scorer we need.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 15:04:30 GMT -5
houndsports.com/georgetown-early-pre-season-projections-smith-rivera-returns/After a week-long nightmare, worrying about next season’s prospects, fans of the Georgetown Hoyas have happily and cleverly dubbed the return (specifically, the un-declaring from the NBA draft) of junior guard D’Vauntes Smith-Rivera (DSR) as “Re-SR.” And Re-SR certainly makes quite the impact on the Hoyas. Projections Pre Re-SR Ceiling: Third in the Big East, just outside the AP Top 25, lock as an at-large bid to the tournament, first round win as an eight-seed, second round exit in blowout loss to one-seed (probably UNC) Floor: Fifth or Sixth in the Big East, nowhere near the AP Top 25, bubble team just squeaking into the tournament, embarrassing collapse in a first round loss after a good showing as an 11-seed Projections Post Re-SR Ceiling: First in the Big East, Big East Tournament Champions, mainstay in the AP Top 25 as a top ten team, two-seed in the NCAA Tournament, absolutely dominant win in the first round to further dispel the upset bait label, Elite Eight appearance before losing to UNC in 2007 revenge match Floor: Second in the Big East, Big East Tournament Semifinal loss, regular in the AP Top 25 hovering between 18 to 25, five-seed in the NCAA Tournament, upset in the first round to next year’s Cinderella 12-seed who then makes it to the Elite Eight Granted, these projections are very subjective, but without DSR (in addition to the loss of five seniors), the Hoyas would have lost nearly two-thirds of their scoring and 60-percent of their available minutes. DSR will return to Georgetown as a senior and a captain, someone who has been a valuable contributor since his first day on the court. As one of the three seniors on the team (the other two are walk-on guards Riyan Williams and David Allen), Smith-Rivera’s importance to Georgetown goes far beyond his 16.3 points per game and ability to create shots from anywhere on the court. Though freshmen Tre Campbell, LJ Peak, Isaac Copeland and Paul White will return as even more valuable players, the team is still inexperienced and will likely play four newcomers consistent minutes (Louisville transfer Akoy Agau and recruits Jessie Govan, Marcus Derrickson and Kaleb Johnson). Sophomore forward Reggie Cameron also looks toward an increased role on the team. ……..
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Post by aristides on Apr 21, 2015 8:53:31 GMT -5
This upcoming season is like that holiday gift that sits under the tree just teasing you with the waiting. Not sure what's underneath the wrapping but pretty sure it's something awesome. Can't remember an offseason I've had this much anticipation before. 7 months to go...give or take.
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 21, 2015 9:08:50 GMT -5
This upcoming season is like that holiday gift that sits under the tree just teasing you with the waiting. Not sure what's underneath the wrapping but pretty sure it's something awesome. Can't remember an offseason I've had this much anticipation before. 7 months to go...give or take. It's actually only 4 months until the team takes the court in Italy.
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Post by jester on Apr 21, 2015 10:07:59 GMT -5
Next season's team by ESPN 100 final rankings:
#16 Isaac Copeland #31 LJ Peak #34 Paul White #58 DSR #63 Reggie Cameron #64 Jessie Govan #75 Akoy Agau #86 Marcus Derrickson #100 (recently) Kaleb Johnson
unranked - Tre Campbell (4 star), Bradley Hayes (tall and experienced), Trey Mourning (son of Hall of Famer)
#77 Domingo (left)
#48 Anton Gill could join/play next year
graduated: Hopkins #78 Trawick #80
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Post by drquigley on Apr 21, 2015 10:30:19 GMT -5
Forget about offense. If the forwards (White, Copeland, Peak) get serious about playing defense, and our new center(s) can play defense away from the basket, this team will be an absolute monster to score against. Hopkins will be missed but Josh Smith was a huge negative defensively and created all sorts of matchup problems for JT3 when he was on the court. This team will be JT3's wet dream. He will have so many guys 6'5 to 6-9 to throw at people.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 21, 2015 14:11:10 GMT -5
Anyone that has seen Kaleb Johnson his senior season, will he be able to give minutes at the 2? His senior year shooting numbers were impressive and 6'6" would give some crazy length at that position.
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Post by aristides on Apr 21, 2015 14:24:08 GMT -5
Forget about offense. If the forwards (White, Copeland, Peak) get serious about playing defense, and our new center(s) can play defense away from the basket, this team will be an absolute monster to score against. Hopkins will be missed but Josh Smith was a huge negative defensively and created all sorts of matchup problems for JT3 when he was on the court. This team will be JT3's wet dream. He will have so many guys 6'5 to 6-9 to throw at people. I'd be surprised if this team was a top defensive club. A number of players would really have to make some leaps in their game. The sum would have to be better than the parts and the Hoyas don't have anyone who we can say really excels defensively. Copeland has potential to be an excellent defensive player, but he wasn't there his freshman year. Peak I'd rate as an above average defender, but he's about the only one I'd say that for now that Hopkins is gone. I think Hayes has potential to be good defensively, but I know that's debatable. Campbell can really add a lot defensively. More minutes for him will help. So I'm hopeful for a good defensive team, but I'm not expecting much more than that.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Apr 22, 2015 8:54:37 GMT -5
Forget about offense. If the forwards (White, Copeland, Peak) get serious about playing defense, and our new center(s) can play defense away from the basket, this team will be an absolute monster to score against. Hopkins will be missed but Josh Smith was a huge negative defensively and created all sorts of matchup problems for JT3 when he was on the court. This team will be JT3's wet dream. He will have so many guys 6'5 to 6-9 to throw at people. I'd be surprised if this team was a top defensive club. A number of players would really have to make some leaps in their game. The sum would have to be better than the parts and the Hoyas don't have anyone who we can say really excels defensively. Copeland has potential to be an excellent defensive player, but he wasn't there his freshman year. Peak I'd rate as an above average defender, but he's about the only one I'd say that for now that Hopkins is gone. I think Hayes has potential to be good defensively, but I know that's debatable. Campbell can really add a lot defensively. More minutes for him will help. So I'm hopeful for a good defensive team, but I'm not expecting much more than that. Gotta disagree. Addition by subtraction. Josh was such a defensive liability that Losing him has to be a big plus for the defense. With Govan and Hayes JT3 has so much more flexibility and with all these new big men coming on plus Tre I think we will see an awesome D next year.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Apr 22, 2015 9:20:15 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if this team was a top defensive club. A number of players would really have to make some leaps in their game. The sum would have to be better than the parts and the Hoyas don't have anyone who we can say really excels defensively. Copeland has potential to be an excellent defensive player, but he wasn't there his freshman year. Peak I'd rate as an above average defender, but he's about the only one I'd say that for now that Hopkins is gone. I think Hayes has potential to be good defensively, but I know that's debatable. Campbell can really add a lot defensively. More minutes for him will help. So I'm hopeful for a good defensive team, but I'm not expecting much more than that. Gotta disagree. Addition by subtraction. Josh was such a defensive liability that Losing him has to be a big plus for the defense. With Govan and Hayes JT3 has so much more flexibility and with all these new big men coming on plus Tre I think we will see an awesome D next year. It's not that we shouldn't be improved, it's that we may not necessarily be elite. We'd all have to agree the center position is a question mark. Sure, we can predict that Govan and Brad will be better defensively than Josh was, but we can also predict that they likely will be worse than Mikael was (who played that position roughly half the minutes). Govan is an overall question mark, obviously. So, at that one position, it's hard to predict there's going to be a huge overall jump. And aside from that, we were far from elite last year, so to become elite, we'd need the returning players to make significant jumps. Hopefully they will, but maybe they won't. For all his quickness and peskiness, Tre was not a great on-ball defender last year. I guess it's safe to predict we'll be a better defensive team this coming year, but that's still different from predicting we'll be elite, which would require that Govan/Hayes combine to at least be average and everyone else makes significant jumps.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 30, 2015 19:14:53 GMT -5
10/15/15 can't get here soon enough!!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 9:18:56 GMT -5
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OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
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Post by lichoya68 on May 4, 2015 19:22:11 GMT -5
dont forget KENNER adn ITALY lot of ball before oct 15th heck thats almost FEBRUARY yup gonna be good very good the best is yet to come OH MY
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