lichoya68
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OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 23, 2015 19:53:16 GMT -5
FINAL FOUR NEXT YEAR YUP SEE IT COMING.
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Mar 23, 2015 19:53:38 GMT -5
Okay. If you discount the lottery pick Big East POY for leaving early then yes this class had no All Big East players.
And Kentucky had no All SEC players in the 2015 class either.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 23, 2015 19:59:31 GMT -5
Whose that?? Btw I’m talking about graduating players… Otto’s been long gone, Greg prob would have been All BE if he would have stayed eligible… Neither were around last year or this year When you put numbers on it - 1 in 3 classes - you can't just ignore facts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 20:11:55 GMT -5
Whose that?? Btw I’m talking about graduating players… Otto’s been long gone, Greg prob would have been All BE if he would have stayed eligible… Neither were around last year or this year When you put numbers on it - 1 in 3 classes - you can't just ignore facts. Huh? there’s a context here you’re missing… The statement was that our Rising Junior and Senior classes were weak. Otto left before he became an upperclassman. Since we are talking about THis season and the 2 classes coming up and Otto isn’t playing on any of those teams obviously I’m not talking about him. But err ok 2 top 20 BE players in 3 classes isn’t exactly excelling when it comes to recruiting… Agree or disagree?
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Mar 23, 2015 20:13:08 GMT -5
But it's not 1 All Big East player in 3 classes. You can't just throw Otto out of his class.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 20:17:22 GMT -5
Okay. If you discount the lottery pick Big East POY for leaving early then yes this class had no All Big East players. And Kentucky had no All SEC players in the 2015 class either. Do you think our recruiting from Starks class up until the Reggie Cam class overall was good??? I say no, this is the point I’m trying to make. If you disagree please make your case.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 20:20:26 GMT -5
But it's not 1 All Big East player in 3 classes. You can't just throw Otto out of his class. Dood..lol Ok 2 all BE players in 3 classes. One that played 2 seasons. Do you think our recruiting from the Starks class up until the Reggie Cam class was good?
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 23, 2015 20:25:34 GMT -5
Okay. If you discount the lottery pick Big East POY for leaving early then yes this class had no All Big East players. And Kentucky had no All SEC players in the 2015 class either. Do you think our recruiting from Starks class up until the Reggie Cam class overall was good??? I say no, this is the point I’m trying to make. If you disagree please make your case. Well expecting perfection is just ridiculous, imo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 20:27:12 GMT -5
Do you think our recruiting from Starks class up until the Reggie Cam class overall was good??? I say no, this is the point I’m trying to make. If you disagree please make your case. Well expecting perfection is just ridiculous, imo. What are you trying to say? You lost me
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 23, 2015 20:30:45 GMT -5
Okay. If you discount the lottery pick Big East POY for leaving early then yes this class had no All Big East players. And Kentucky had no All SEC players in the 2015 class either. Do you think our recruiting from Starks class up until the Reggie Cam class overall was good??? I say no, this is the point I’m trying to make. If you disagree please make your case. Starks class mediocre at best - Markel good, Nate and Aaron limited, Moses subpar This year - good with Otto (great), Bril (good), Hop a contributor, Greg and Tyler were potentially very good Class of 16 - DSR great, Hayes subpar (still hopes next year), Domingo and Bolden nonentities Cameron - subpar, but who knows Freshmen - Already pretty good and great potential.
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Mar 23, 2015 20:40:11 GMT -5
Porter, Whittington, Adams, Hopkins, Trawick was a great recruiting class.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 23, 2015 20:48:40 GMT -5
Porter, Whittington, Adams, Hopkins, Trawick was a great recruiting class. I remember during the first Tombs game thinking that if we kept at least 4 of them 3 years they could challenge for the best class in history.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 20:50:29 GMT -5
Do you think our recruiting from Starks class up until the Reggie Cam class overall was good??? I say no, this is the point I’m trying to make. If you disagree please make your case. Starks class mediocre at best - Markel good, Nate and Aaron limited, Moses subpar This year - good with Otto (great), Bril (good), Hop a contributor, Greg and Tyler were potentially very good Class of 16 - DSR great, Hayes subpar (still hopes next year), Domingo and Bolden nonentities Cameron - subpar, but who knows Freshmen - Already pretty good and great potential. Otto’s class was the best by far.. The rest were sub par… The freshman class is the best (Over Otto’s imo) but we’re not talking about them.. You have Markel and Bril listed as good? Do you think they are on the same level?? I would put Bril as an average BE player. Kel is above average but again we’re talking about the Otto class and the 2 years after to be clear. IMO In those 3 classes I count 2 above average BE players in Otto and Dsr. One of which played 2 season What is your overall grade for those 3 classes?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 20:52:15 GMT -5
Porter, Whittington, Adams, Hopkins, Trawick was a great recruiting class. It was, 2 bad we only really got to see 3 of those guys… What about the other years, care to answer?
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Mar 23, 2015 21:00:25 GMT -5
Markel Starks: 1246 points, 300 assists, 100 steals, 201 rebounds and he really didn't play much as a freshman behind Wright, Clark, and Freeman
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 23, 2015 21:03:22 GMT -5
Starks class mediocre at best - Markel good, Nate and Aaron limited, Moses subpar This year - good with Otto (great), Bril (good), Hop a contributor, Greg and Tyler were potentially very good Class of 16 - DSR great, Hayes subpar (still hopes next year), Domingo and Bolden nonentities Cameron - subpar, but who knows Freshmen - Already pretty good and great potential. Otto’s class was the best by far.. The rest were sub par… The freshman class is the best (Over Otto’s imo) but we’re not talking about them.. You have Markel and Bril listed as good? Do you think they are on the same level?? I would put Bril as an average BE player. Kel is above average but again we’re talking about the Otto class and the 2 years after to be clear. IMO In those 3 classes I count 2 above average BE players in Otto and Dsr. One of which played 2 season What is your overall grade for those 3 classes? Confused - you said from Starks' class to Reggie's class - are we counting Kel's class or not? Anyway obviously the overall grade would be below average because of the misses. But we all know that, there is no dispute or mystery. Our recruiting needed a makeover, and it looks pretty clear that we have made the big jump that was needed.
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Mar 23, 2015 21:05:36 GMT -5
I'm not arguing that every recruiting class is great. I just objected to the stupid statement that the 2011 class had no All Big East players when it had the BE Player of the Year who left early to be the #3 pick in the NBA draft.
Almost every program has the same issue. You have a great class and then the next two are weaker because potential recruits don't see playing time available immediately so they go somewhere else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 21:11:59 GMT -5
Otto’s class was the best by far.. The rest were sub par… The freshman class is the best (Over Otto’s imo) but we’re not talking about them.. You have Markel and Bril listed as good? Do you think they are on the same level?? I would put Bril as an average BE player. Kel is above average but again we’re talking about the Otto class and the 2 years after to be clear. IMO In those 3 classes I count 2 above average BE players in Otto and Dsr. One of which played 2 season What is your overall grade for those 3 classes? Confused - you said from Starks' class to Reggie's class - are we counting Kel's class or not? Anyway obviously the overall grade would be below average because of the misses. But we all know that, there is no dispute or mystery. Our recruiting needed a makeover, and it looks pretty clear that we have made the big jump that was needed. Ok great than we agree and both wasted the last hour of our lives… Cheers.. The conversation you responded to originally was referencing the Seniors that just left and the 2 upcoming Senior classes. That’s who I was talking about. Sorry On a side note obviously Markels class was also weak.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 21:18:10 GMT -5
I'm not arguing that every recruiting class is great. I just objected to the stupid statement that the 2011 class had no All Big East players when it had the BE Player of the Year who left early to be the #3 pick in the NBA draft. Almost every program has the same issue. You have a great class and then the next two are weaker because potential recruits don't see playing time available immediately so they go somewhere else. Stupid statement? That’s nice, stay classy Bmartin Anyways if that’s true than how come we just landed a class better than Otto’s and just backed it up with another top 20 class with 3 4stars??? You guys act like we landed 5 stars at every position.. We had one guy go to the league over those 4 seasons.. 1 out of 4 recruiting classes being above average and 3 below won’t get it done.. There’s really no debate here as we have seen the results on the court...
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Post by seaweed on Mar 23, 2015 22:05:07 GMT -5
I expect to remain one of the top 5 basketball programs from a small private liberal arts school, with the accompanying ethical, facilities, academic and other limitations that includes.
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