Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 15, 2015 2:08:33 GMT -5
I haven't seen GIGAFAN this fired up since he vehemently defended Esherick until the bitter end. I admire his optimism.
There is no reason to be negative about this, the rest of you. Enjoy being in the tournament and let's see what happens.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 15, 2015 10:05:48 GMT -5
I haven't seen GIGAFAN this fired up since he vehemently defended Esherick until the bitter end. I admire his optimism. There is no reason to be negative about this, the rest of you. Enjoy being in the tournament and let's see what happens. Until the bitter end! Most memorable for me was in person at Cafe 31 after the NIT finals loss to SJU in '03. He got that wrong, obviously, but I think his thoughts / analysis are often spot on. And being a nervous Nelly, I often take comfort in his confidence. Thanks Giga!
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KHoyaNYC
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Mar 15, 2015 10:26:15 GMT -5
I can understand the nerves but how can you not be excited about being in the NCAAs? And it's not like we're limping into the tournament, people keep underselling Xavier around here, they are a quality team. We have the parts and a solid enough seed to go far in the NCAAs let's see if we can put together a run.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 15, 2015 10:42:43 GMT -5
I can understand the nerves but how can you not be excited about being in the NCAAs? And it's not like we're limping into the tournament, people keep underselling Xavier around here, they are a quality team. We have the parts and a solid enough seed to go far in the NCAAs let's see if we can put together a run. I realize I am more negative than most about this tournament and can understand why others would be excited about it as I too us to consider this my favorite time of year. But you really don't understand why a tournament that has ended with complete humiliation and/or devastation 4 of the last 5 times we were in it wouldn't fill people with excitement? The stupid CBS music still makes me nauseous even in the regular season. Add the fact that UConn won it last year and them and and Nova made it to the final four the other year we missed and I completely hate this tournament, it brings me nothing but pain even when Georgetown isn't in it. If the season ended for everyone after conference tournaments I would be a much happier college basketball fan. Our results and the results of my most hated team over the last few years have ruined the tournament so completely for me that I do not think even a miraculous run by the Hoyas could ever change my opinion of it. It's a garbage tournament that exists solely to cause me misery.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 15, 2015 10:50:23 GMT -5
I can understand the nerves but how can you not be excited about being in the NCAAs? And it's not like we're limping into the tournament, people keep underselling Xavier around here, they are a quality team. We have the parts and a solid enough seed to go far in the NCAAs let's see if we can put together a run. I realize I am more negative than most about this tournament and can understand why others would be excited about it as I too us to consider this my favorite time of year. But you really don't understand why a tournament that has ended with complete humiliation and/or devastation 4 of the last 5 times we were in it wouldn't fill people with excitement? The stupid CBS music still makes me nauseous even in the regular season. Add the fact that UConn won it last year and them and and Nova made it to the final four the other year we missed and I completely hate this tournament, it brings me nothing but pain even when Georgetown isn't in it. If the season ended for everyone after conference tournaments I would be a much happier college basketball fan. Our results and the results of my most hated team over the last few years have ruined the tournament so completely for me that I do not think even a miraculous run by the Hoyas could ever change my opinion of it. It's a garbage tournament that exists solely to cause me misery. Sounds like you need to start your own tournament, but with beer and hookers!
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HoyaChris
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 15, 2015 10:53:09 GMT -5
I can understand the nerves but how can you not be excited about being in the NCAAs? And it's not like we're limping into the tournament, people keep underselling Xavier around here, they are a quality team. We have the parts and a solid enough seed to go far in the NCAAs let's see if we can put together a run. I realize I am more negative than most about this tournament and can understand why others would be excited about it as I too us to consider this my favorite time of year. But you really don't understand why a tournament that has ended with complete humiliation and/or devastation 4 of the last 5 times we were in it wouldn't fill people with excitement? The stupid CBS music still makes me nauseous even in the regular season. Add the fact that UConn won it last year and them and and Nova made it to the final four the other year we missed and I completely hate this tournament, it brings me nothing but pain even when Georgetown isn't in it. If the season ended for everyone after conference tournaments I would be a much happier college basketball fan. Our results and the results of my most hated team over the last few years have ruined the tournament so completely for me that I do not think even a miraculous run by the Hoyas could ever change my opinion of it. It's a garbage tournament that exists solely to cause me misery. Wow. And I thought I was damaged.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 15, 2015 11:00:11 GMT -5
I realize I am more negative than most about this tournament and can understand why others would be excited about it as I too us to consider this my favorite time of year. But you really don't understand why a tournament that has ended with complete humiliation and/or devastation 4 of the last 5 times we were in it wouldn't fill people with excitement? The stupid CBS music still makes me nauseous even in the regular season. Add the fact that UConn won it last year and them and and Nova made it to the final four the other year we missed and I completely hate this tournament, it brings me nothing but pain even when Georgetown isn't in it. If the season ended for everyone after conference tournaments I would be a much happier college basketball fan. Our results and the results of my most hated team over the last few years have ruined the tournament so completely for me that I do not think even a miraculous run by the Hoyas could ever change my opinion of it. It's a garbage tournament that exists solely to cause me misery. Wow. And I thought I was damaged. It's true. For most Georgetown fans just the losses by us have cause March sadness. I've been equally has haunted by the good fortune of programs I hate as much as what we have done. I should have seen this coming in 1985, it was just a cruel foreshadowing of my future in March hell. 2010 wasn't so bad, sure we lost but none of the teams I hate made it past to the final four. I could handle another 2010.
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Post by yunghoya on Mar 15, 2015 11:14:51 GMT -5
We have some good players on the team this year but I don't think we will win in the tournament. I hope I am wrong, but if we play against a good scoring team it might be over. Our offense isn't made to put up big points. That said we did go far with jeff and roy on the team but those are quality NBA players. I do think we will be much better in the tournament next year though. DSR a senior and with our freshman getting a ton of experience this year is awesome. Don't want to be a downer for this year but I just don't think we got it. Like I said I hope I am wrong, I wanna see Jabril and the rest of the Hoyas go far. Again this is my opinion. But next year watch out for the Hoyas.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 15, 2015 11:35:00 GMT -5
Whoa! Holy negativity Batman!! What has happened to this crowd? We could hire an entire hospital full of shrinks and they couldn't handle you guys. You all think this is over before the NCAAs even begin! Well let me tell you something. Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... The tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!
What the Edited happened to the Hoyas I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest month of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Saxa, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Stainbrook? he's a dead man! Coach K, dead! Calipari... Fan #2: Dead! Saxa's right. Psychotic... but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!
Saxa: We're just the guys to do it.
Now lets go out and win two games next weekend! And quick, somebody call MEGAFAN! Get him over here right away and have him bring his ticket book because there's gonna be a lot of Hoyas buying first class tickets on the express train direct to MEGAFANLAND!
HOYA EditedING SAXA!!!
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 15, 2015 11:54:41 GMT -5
Whoa! Holy negativity Batman!! What has happened to this crowd? We could hire an entire hospital full of shrinks and they couldn't handle you guys. You all think this is over before the NCAAs even begin! Well let me tell you something. Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... The tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go! What the Edited happened to the Hoyas I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest month of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Saxa, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Stainbrook? he's a dead man! Coach K, dead! Calipari... Fan #2: Dead! Saxa's right. Psychotic... but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part! Saxa: We're just the guys to do it. Now lets go out and win two games next weekend! And quick, somebody call MEGAFAN! Get him over here right away and have him bring his ticket book because there's gonna be a lot of Hoyas buying first class tickets on the express train direct to MEGAFANLAND! HOYA EditedING SAXA!!!We needed this quote 36 hours ago. It would have saved countless lives and relationships.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 15, 2015 12:10:59 GMT -5
if JT3 still hasn't figured out how to beat teams like Xavier, we won't make it past first weeknd...
and please don't tell me teams like xavier or other small teams that can shoot are underrated and thus it's okay to lose to them, because we have more talents, have played better, and should be winning against them.
I really hope losing to Xavier 3 times this season serves this program as a bitter medicine in preparation of this tournament - losing to Xavier for the 3rd time to end our run at the BET is somewhat whatever, but losing to teams like Xavier again on the first weeknd to end our season completely is going to infuriate a lot of people on this board.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 15, 2015 12:24:07 GMT -5
if JT3 still hasn't figured out how to beat teams like Xavier, we won't make it past first weeknd... and please don't tell me teams like xavier or other small teams that can shoot are underrated and thus it's okay to lose to them, because we have more talents, have played better, and should be winning against them. I really hope losing to Xavier 3 times this season serves this program as a bitter medicine in preparation of this tournament - losing to Xavier for the 3rd time to end our run at the BET is somewhat whatever, but losing to teams like Xavier again on the first weeknd to end our season completely is going to infuriate a lot of people on this board. What does "a team like Xavier" mean? Are they muggles or mudbloods that us pure-bloods must not mix with?
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AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Mar 15, 2015 12:33:34 GMT -5
Just remember, we're Americans. Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 15, 2015 13:00:40 GMT -5
Just curious. . .maybe our fellow Hoyas in CNY can investigate and report back.
Is WTVH (the CBS affiliate in Syracuse) covering the Selection Show at 6:00 pm, or are they just going to run a test pattern?
Maybe a live shot of Boeheim's attorney's office?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 15, 2015 13:49:56 GMT -5
One possible reason this year could be different is fouls.
1) We haven't played in the tournament since the new emphasis on rules was instituted. I don't remember how the games were called, but if they do call the NCAA games more strictly based on these rules teams likely won't get away with grabbing and chucking our cutters as much.
2) In addition, this team draws fouls at a higher rate 44.1 FTA/FGA, 23.3% of our points coming from the line. Those numbers are higher than all our tournament teams.
drawing fouls and getting to the line can be a major weapon, especially since our shooting can be hit or miss.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 15, 2015 13:55:18 GMT -5
Word just broke from St. John's that Chris Obekpa has been suspended from the team and will not play in the NCAA tournament.
EDIT; Speculation at johnnyjungle.com is that the suspension, which is for a "violation of team rules," is for a failed drug test.
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tjm62
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Post by tjm62 on Mar 15, 2015 13:56:07 GMT -5
I am as pessimistic as they come, and have convinced myself that a first round flameout is all but guaranteed. I'm also proud to be a hoyas fan, because I know that georgetown alums are too cerebral for their own good and I find great solidarity in the hand-wringing that goes on here.
In the rush to attack JTIII, however, I feel like people lose sight of just how many teams (featuring well-regarded coaches) basically do the same thing we do.
The mighty Jay Wright? In recent years, Villanova lost to a 10 seed as a 2 seed (2010); lost the 8-9 game to George Mason (2011); did the same to UNC (2012); and failed to make the second weekend as a 2-seed last year.
The awful Mike Brey? A first round flameout as a 6 seed in 2007 and 2010; a loss in the 2nd round as a 2 seed (2011); and first round exits in 2012 and 2013.
Coach K, one of the all-time greats, has made the elite 8 only twice since 2005. And that includes losses to 11 seeds (2007), first-weekend chokes as a 2/3 seed (2008, 2012, 2014), and failing to make it out of the Sweet 16 despite being a 1 seed (2011). And you know Duke has had significantly greater talent than Gtown for many of those stretches.
Dixon hasn't made the sweet 16 since 2009, and has never made a Final Four.
This is the nature of the beast. Yes, Calipari wins constantly with lottery picks and shady recruiting tactics. But people act like Georgetown is this huge disaster of a program -- this is just how our sport works. On good days (read: once enough time has passed since we lose in the first weekend), I'm just glad we're usually good enough to make the damn thing.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Mar 15, 2015 15:33:10 GMT -5
This year will be different because for the viability and survival of our program it has to be and our team will have a personal commitment to play a full 40 minutes of basketball in each game to make it happen. Our guys should strive for no four minute stretch in which we go scoreless. We will recognize zones and blitz reams from the elbow when we see them and Dante and Jamal will drive past any man to man defense. We will play to win and not to lose. We have two big guys with ten fouls to give so no officiating should kill us. We will make our foul shots.
I have confidence in our team-there have too many good stretches and too many good plays made against a top schedule. If it does its job for a full 40 minutes it can beat anyone-Kansas, Villanova, Xavier, Wisconsin or even Duke. Kentucky is only team we need a miracle to win over.
This is one year where we are not going to let a final four happen like the year Butler played Duke and we beat both handily or the year we blitzed Syracuse twice and then saw them in the final four. Our guys know what 40 minutes is this year.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 15, 2015 15:39:04 GMT -5
I am as pessimistic as they come, and have convinced myself that a first round flameout is all but guaranteed. I'm also proud to be a hoyas fan, because I know that georgetown alums are too cerebral for their own good and I find great solidarity in the hand-wringing that goes on here. In the rush to attack JTIII, however, I feel like people lose sight of just how many teams (featuring well-regarded coaches) basically do the same thing we do. The mighty Jay Wright? In recent years, Villanova lost to a 10 seed as a 2 seed (2010); lost the 8-9 game to George Mason (2011); did the same to UNC (2012); and failed to make the second weekend as a 2-seed last year. The awful Mike Brey? A first round flameout as a 6 seed in 2007 and 2010; a loss in the 2nd round as a 2 seed (2011); and first round exits in 2012 and 2013. Coach K, one of the all-time greats, has made the elite 8 only twice since 2005. And that includes losses to 11 seeds (2007), first-weekend chokes as a 2/3 seed (2008, 2012, 2014), and failing to make it out of the Sweet 16 despite being a 1 seed (2011). And you know Duke has had significantly greater talent than Gtown for many of those stretches. Dixon hasn't made the sweet 16 since 2009, and has never made a Final Four. This is the nature of the beast. Yes, Calipari wins constantly with lottery picks and shady recruiting tactics. But people act like Georgetown is this huge disaster of a program -- this is just how our sport works. On good days (read: once enough time has passed since we lose in the first weekend), I'm just glad we're usually good enough to make the damn thing. Duke, Villanova, Georgetown, Notre Dame. Isn't it weird that those 4 very similar schools outside of basketball have similar tournament reputations? Duke, Nova, and Notre Dame all consistently rely heavily on the 3 with Georgetown having years where they do too.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Mar 15, 2015 15:39:25 GMT -5
I think Happy made an excellent point, regarding "playing to win" as opposed to "not to lose." Obviously, there are lots of factors that appear on the stat sheets, ie. turnovers, rebounding, etc. However, to my eyes, I do think as the heavy favorites, we have played "not to lose.' Its hard to quantify it...but you know it when you see it. Maybe going in with low public expectations will alleviate that pressure. I hope so.
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